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Currently on Ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Camaro-Owners-Manual-Protecto-Plate-/261242643516?pt=Motors_Manuals_Literature&hash=item3cd346643c

Seller: 1968fastgto

  Point???

Sorry.  I thought the Orphan section of the CRG sight was to try and unite drivetrain components with the original cars.  I should have put the information in the title of the original post. I tried to change it without making a new post but couldn't.   For some reason, anything that says or has Z/28 or DZ on it draws a lot more attention. There was another orphan post similar to mine made about the same time with 4 times the views---the only difference being that it said "Z/28".  That was the point of trying to add it.

I don't have any underlying motives. But, I don't have a PhD in Camaros like you so I don't know what you're getting at. If I breeched some protocol or gave anyone the wrong impression, I apologize.  I've been reading and learning from this sight for years. There are a lot of knowledgeable  people here and on other sites like it.  As a newbie, I only visit occasionally and post very little. Normally, I keep my eyes open and my mouth shut. I try to get my information from the research and previous posts. There are times that I would like to ask a question or make a comment to a thread but don't for fear that it would not be worthy or that I would ask or say something stupid and then be chided by some wise-ass. Then a guy like you comes along and proves that. I will now slink off into the sunset with my tail between my legs. If I ever do make a post again I will send it to you in an email first to make sure it meets your approval.

Assembly stamp V1019DZ

My buddy had a 68 Motion 427 in high school (72-73). On weekends, we'd drive the car 40 miles to Numedia Dragway with a toolbox in the trunk. Once there we would rip the exhaust system off. That was our race prep. The car ran consistent low 11's.  Hooker headers, Lakewood bars, 4.10 rear with G-60 street tires , and an M-22. I know he changed out the carb for a larger Holley but I can't remember what it was.  We spent the better part of two years running the living p--- out of that car.
In the summer of 1974, I can remember standing in the parking lot of his dad's hardware store on the day he sold the car. The two of us were laughing as we watched  it being towed away on a trailer. He sold it for $1850. We thought we really put a screwing to that guy because we kept the Cragar S/S's and the Holley. Wonder who's laughing now?

 386 Block    Casting date - J 17 8

Speaking from experience, as long as you can read it, leave it alone.  Clean it up and preserve what you have, but do not attempt to remove, repair, or replace it.  It will always be suspect.  When it comes to tags and stamps---an ugly original is better than a pretty fake.

Email me.  I'll give you a name and number that might be of help.

Hey Dave,

I'd be interested in the marketing approach for reproduction VIN's.  While reproducing, buying or selling trim tags is certainly unethical, it is, unfortunately, not illegal, at least here in Pa.  However, tampering with VIN's and mileage will get you free room and board with no view and a girlfriend named Big Jake.  I believe those who alter the data of any vehicle to intentionally misrepresent it for financial gain should be held criminally liable----regardless of whether it's a VIN, mileage, cowl tag, stamped parts, or paperwork. The intent is all the same. To falsify records for financial gain.  And with the dollar amounts we are talking about, I think this would qualify as felony status in most states.  I have a few angles I'm going to pursue. I'll let you know if and how I make out.

   There is no limit to what you will see when it comes to what people will do to duplicate these cars. Simple economics----big demand and a small supply = big dollars. When the dollars get big enough you will see snake oil salesmen crawl out from under every rock to offer anything that anyone is desperate enough to pay for. This market wasn't created by the true car lovers or hobbyists. Thousands of people worldwide didn't just wake up one morning and decide they now love and can't live without a 1st generation Camaro. The Wall Street boys created this muscled car-crazed market because they couldn't make money fast enough with paper investments after the 90's dot com bust. They look at a garage full of classic cars the exact same way they look at their stock portfolio. They care little about anything other than their wallet -  and the auction houses like Barrett-Jackson are just their willing accomplices.
   
   I guess I'm just pissed because I'm stuck in the middle of a project that's looking like it will never get finished because of the absurd price of parts.  Oh well, look at the good side. I've gone from being a greaser to a motorhead to an investor without doing anything any different. 

   Thanks for letting me vent. That's just MHO.  I'm going up to the barn now and work on my portfolio.   

Cars built from August through late November of 68 at Norwood are the pre-X code or "short tag" cars.  The tags measure about 1 3/4" tall and not quite 4" long.  Some time around the last week of November/first week of December they phased in the larger X coded tags. They measure about 2 1/8" tall and 3 1/2" long.  Some of the first "later" style tags did not have X codes.  All cars from LA were short tag cars. I'm not 100% sure on the time frame but this is close. Hope it's of some help.

Will be there Friday and Saturday. I'll be the one wearing a drool bib and my daughter will be the one wearing a sign that says  " Will trade 11 year old honors student for 69 Camaro of equal value".   I don't know how I'd recognize anyone, but it would be nice to meet some of the CRG members I've been pestering for information for the last couple of years.

Start with the last known state where it was titled or licensed. Many states have DMV web sites. You can download the appropriate forms to request a title or registration history for a small fee. A lot depends on the privacy laws in the particular state and who handles your application. Luck plays a big part. Post the VIN here. It's a long shot. but ya never know. Circumstantial evidence can lead you to an educated guess at what your LA car might have been but without the original motor or paperwork you are SOL. (Been there...am still there)  BTW, rears aren't VIN stamped and can only be date/application correct unless you have a POP. Welcome to the site and good luck Neal.

I have a set of 16 lifters supposedly for a 69 DZ engine. They are all in the original GM boxes. They all are marked GR 0.459 1#5232695. One of the boxes is smaller than the rest. This smaller box says ML-5. The other 15 all say ED5. The lifters all look identical. Is there any difference?

I didn't miss your point Jimmy.  I feel the same way. Those of us who aren't fortunate enough to have cars that come with pedigrees are quite happy with the little things we stumble onto that help us piece together the puzzle. I felt like a kid on Christmas morning when I found my crayon codes.  Barely visible, in sloppy letters, and covered with glue---there was that big old 7.  Yep, I know it doesn't mean jack squat towards any kind of authentic certification---but it means something to me.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

Thanks for the quick answer Ed. That's what I needed to know.