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#2
Quote from: gary on December 26, 2024, 04:50:12 PM
Is the hook and wing nut the same as for a steel bumper? what length is the j hook for VE3 bumper? what is the length of the wrench? thanks for your help. Gary

Gary, the mast, j-hook, base and jacking instructions decal are all the same for the Endura and steel bumpers, all that differs is the load rest.
#3
I had a run of intake plugs custom stamped at a time when I was unable to locate a correct replacement on the market. Originals were steel with no markings or stampings. The plugs I had made are exact. I have a supply still available, if you need one please send a PM.
#4
Decoding/Numbers / Trim Tag - OPINIONS PLEASE
April 23, 2024, 05:52:44 AM
Friend is purchasing a 69 Pace Car project and is asking if the trim tag is original, would appreciate feedback. I plan to look at the car with him later this week so I don't have additional details just yet.


#5
Quote from: ALLZS on April 04, 2024, 01:18:13 PM
all of the original stainless was polished not chrome plated and the original  bumpers and rear guards  where done by aih chrome plating they only do the show chrome i thought the car needed the bright work to stand out

Your stainless guy does some of the best polishing I've seen, compared to the other 69 that was being judged - side by side the stainless on your car was far superior.
#6
I was reviewing a posting from John Hinkley (John Z) from 2015 who stated that GM routinely flash chromed stainless steel trim so I stand corrected. I have a couple of sets of NOS windshield and back glass stainless trim that are not nearly as "brilliant" as the stainless on the Cortez RS/Z (by a mile) which leads me wonder if that trim was triple / show chromed along with everything else that received chrome plating. Can't say for sure but it would appear to be the case.
#7
Early 69 RS/Z, Legends Judging @ MCACN, November '23



#8
At Legends Judging MCACN in November, the early 69 Cortez Camaro RS/Z used triple chrome plating on everything that would normally be chromed and in my opinion it appeared too bright and not true to GM factory appearance or practice. To clarify terms, "triple chrome" or "show chrome" consists of a base layer of copper (normally polished), followed by a layer of nickel then a final plated layer of chrome. "GM Chrome" (a term coined by John Z) or "street chrome", which GM used in production, used nickel and chrome plate layers only, the copper base layer was eliminated. This produces a duller finish with a blue tint. "Flash chrome" is a layer of chrome plating applied to polished stainless steel with no copper or nickel. It's often used on stainless window trim. As chrome is almost transparent on its own, it enhances the shine / brilliance of stainless. The 69 RS/Z at MCACN also had its window trim flash chromed.
#9
Quote from: hugger69z28rs on February 09, 2024, 05:59:13 PM
I just checked the driver seat belt and it is 13 F 69. The back seat is 12E 69. This car came with deluxe seat belt and front shoulder belts as an option. The shoulder belts are marked 43 C 68 both sides. 

The 43 C 68 dated shoulder belt which decodes to the 3rd week of October 1968 seems early for a May 1969 build. More typically from what I've seen, individual seat belts are closely date clustered and dated within a month or so ahead of the build date. Early and late builds differ but mid year production dates were tighter.
#10
General Discussion / Re: JohnZ's assembly article
March 02, 2024, 06:39:46 AM
Jon M's former Mountain Green 67 Z from Vintage Certification @ MCACN 2021. The carpet in the VC judging area was purple that year so the reflection is obvious. The fuel tank straps are black and the tank blackout is shown. 

#11
General Discussion / Re: 69 rear leaf spring u-bolts
February 29, 2024, 03:09:51 PM
Quote from: 69bigblock4speed on February 22, 2024, 11:36:59 AM
Thank you for all of your resonses and time. It is final. Black I believe was the color. Now I will decide to go with Black Zinc oxide or the Manganese route. Thanks again.

According to the late John Hinkley (John Z) a former GM engineer at the Norwood OH plant during 1969 production who posted on the subject here, GM didn't spec zinc oxide as a finish as it was not cost effective (one exception he noted was for the 5 panhead screws that attach the instrument panel on the 1967 Corvette). Instead GM spec'd manganese phosphate or zinc phosphate. We use both in our shop and when compared side by side, they are different. Zinc oxide is a true black finish and cures/dries to a semi-gloss whereas manganese phosphate, also referred to as black phosphate (used interchangeably in the Legends Judging Manual) dries to a near flat finish (unless well oiled) and depending on the ferrous content of the metal can appear mid gray to black however typically cures/dries to a dark charcoal. If originality is a goal then phosphating is the correct choice. 
#12
Restoration / Re: Door locks , glove box recoded
February 28, 2024, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: john302 on February 27, 2024, 10:13:13 PM
Looking for someplace to recode some original locks and ignition lock cylinder . Anyone ? Jessers in Ohio ? thanks

Real locksmiths are difficult to find, I define these as the old school trade who understood vintage automotive locks. I tried a couple of locksmiths locally, wasn't satisfied with the work and eventually sent my lock set to Jessers for restoration. Their work is very good (expensive) and turnaround is reasonable (couple of weeks). They do a lot with the NCRS membership.
#13
Several detailed photos I took during Vintage Certification have been posted by Steve S on the SYC site under the Vintage Certification thread. Here is the link:

(Starting at Post #8)     https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=169189 
#14
Several detailed photos I took during Vintage Certification have been posted by Steve S on the SYC site under the Vintage Certification thread. Here is the link:
https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=176912
#15
Original Cars and Details / Re: 1969 Z28 time capsule
February 07, 2024, 05:57:04 PM
Odd to see stainless trim on the turn signal lens on a 5A build as they were discontinued during early production and not seen after January/early February 69 builds. The seat belts (5th week of 69) are also early dates for a May build.