I have a question about this 67 ss If I was to sink a ton of money into this fully documented car(seen in link below) would I get 2 ton's of money on a resale ? I'd love to have a frame off but I do know this is very costly.My concern would be down the road would I get the return if I ever sold it
Is the car original paint?
If so... what is the overall condition minus the few minor rust holes?
How much has been repainted (if any) under the hood and on the chassis?
Has any of the interior been replaced?
How are the floors?
If the car has original paint and it is not in too bad of shape then personally I would weld in the few patches that would be required and then touch up the car, clean it up thoroughly and drive it.
If it is very original it is worth more unrestored than it is restored IMHO,
all original paint engine trans rear end interior car was never mucked with paint condition in as seen in pic's minor rust few ding's and scratches chasis is dirty some surface rust floors are perfect truck is very good just a little surface rust slight bubbling under vynal top near rear window this car is overall very good shape for a 67.Im thinking of the frame off restore to make it perfect or as close as possible
Clean it up and fix the bad places... a car with patina will draw a crowd every time it goes somewhere... restored cars are everywhere.
a car can only be original once, it can be restored many times. detail it fix the rust and enjoy it
Ok so with todays market what would be a good asking price for this 67ss with all the documents.unfinished ? vs restored? 38.000 mile's original.I got to believe if done right would sell pretty high but ....I am no expert by no mean's
I feel that some of the high dollars being thrown at unrestored cars are because the cars stand on their own. They don't have to rely on anything on a restorer doing something correctly... they are correct.
Not surprised you are having a hard time getting a $$$ answer...
The answer to your real question, "How Much?", is actually very subjective. It also depends on who wants the car and the size of their wallet. Then again, there is the question of availability in your area...
If you are not prepared to do a great restoration, these guys are right! An original car is a wonderful thing to find! Assuming the car is in great shape, it could bring as much as $23,000 unrestored in my part of the world, which is NC. A show car (good restoration) could bring $27,000. Could you bring your car up to show level for $4,000... maybe not....
But again, that's my informed, but subjective, opinion.
wow that's pretty cheap here in michigan a half a$$ clone would net 25-30 thousand. Real car's go atleast 35-45 thousand & upward's I've seen many 50- 60 range
See, there you have it...
Camaros are more plentiful in the southeast right now! Granted, you have to weed your way through a lot of clones...
I saw more Camaros for sale at the Hornets Nest Autofair (Charlotte, Lowes Motor Speedway) in April of this year than I have seen in the last several years.
On the other hand, I was in Seattle about a year ago. Went around to five different dealers to have a look. Camaros were rare!
That also explains why some folks come south (or southwest) to look for a car and trailer (or drive) it back home. From their "market" it's worth the effort.
Still sounds to me like you're getting good advise. Clean the car up and get someone in you area to put a value to it.
Good luck! If a 67SS, fully documented, gets back in circulation, we all "profit" from it!
Home restorations are done for the love of the car, not because it's a profit-making opportunity; the only people who make money on restorations are commercial shops that do it for a living and bill the customer on a time & material basis, or dealers that fake them and take unknowing buyers for a ride on eBay.
Noted John.. I have no plan's on selling this car anytime soon,I enjoy the hobby too much.Was just a hypathectical question.By the way John You ever make it to woodward on a friday or saturday night? Love to meet up sometime
Hey Lake--where are you in NC? I'm near Burlington.
Hotrod, we're practically neighbors! I live in Clemmons, but the car is at Lake Norman... which explains why I'm connected to Hornets Nest in Charlotte.
Quote from: MichiganMan on June 18, 2006, 07:48:49 PM
Noted John.. I have no plan's on selling this car anytime soon,I enjoy the hobby too much.Was just a hypathectical question.By the way John You ever make it to woodward on a friday or saturday night? Love to meet up sometime
I was born and raised in Birmingham, and spent (or mis-spent) :) my youth on Woodward nearly every night from the late 50's through the early 60's; I go back every year for the Woodward Cruise.
Hey John you have any specific body shop's you have used or know of anyone who could repair the minor rust on this 67 .I took it to a shop here in pontiac they did nothing but try to get the whole car painted (ticked me off) . It really only needs from the shadow line on each side down painted buff out the rest .
Nope - may be difficult to find a shop to only paint it from the bone-line down; most shops don't want to paint only "half a car", especially when it means matching a light color that's faded over the years and then get complaints about the color match.
Also, most body shops are in business to do insurance claim work - not restoration work. A few new parts, some bondo, slap on some new paint and let the hair go with the hide. An everyday body shop may tell you they'll do your body / paint work, for a reasonable price and in a timely manner, but in most cases your project becomes "fill in" for them to do during any slack time. Insurance claim work will get preferential treatment every time.
In my opinion, this is clearly the most difficult portion of any restoration project for the average guy who doesn't have connections with those in the body / paint business. Finding a qualified, willing, and trustworthy shop to do the body / paint (without going to a dedicated restoration facility) is extremely difficult.
I agree with John and Rich, fortunately where I live,(Southeast Wisconsin) there are 3 body and paint shops in my home town that have great reputations for restoring "older" cars. One is a complete restoration shop the other two just enjoy working on the older stuff. There is no doubt you have to have trust in someone you have doing major work like metal and paint on one of these cars. Repainting the whole car is the best and the price is not going to be a heck of lot more if you are staying with the original color than repainting and blending a section of the car. Prepping the car(replacing metal, bondo and blocking) is where the cost is. Fix what you got drive it and enjoy it. The value to me is in the way others look at and admire what you have done to save these cars.
dab67
67 SS350 (Clone)
Royal Plum with White Vinyl roof
dab67 where about are you in "Southeast Wisconsin" ? I live in Racine. I bet I know what shops you're talking about.
Mike
Hey neighbor!!!!!!!!!!! I live in Kenosha, just around the corner!!!!!!!!!!!
dab67