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Title: 1969 Camaro Z/28 on BAT
Post by: dannystarr on November 16, 2025, 07:41:30 PM
This has a photo Analysis inspection by CHP as a number's matching drive train car.
Some nice options and LeMans Blue. Non-X car. About an Hour and 20 from me.

             https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-264/
Title: Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 on BAT
Post by: KurtS on November 17, 2025, 12:00:58 AM
I always want to see the full CHP report, not just one page.
Grille needs painted.
Car used to have a 5-speed - maybe the Muncie was with the car, dunno.
Title: Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 on BAT
Post by: x66 714 on November 17, 2025, 07:28:37 AM
I see several things wrong, incomplete or modified from original. I guess if you could get it for the right price, you could work with it. The rest of Jerry's report would be very helpful....Joe
Title: Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 on BAT
Post by: KevinW on November 17, 2025, 08:20:40 AM
In the letter, Jerry stated "based on the photos sent", blah blah.  So he did not do an in person inspection? Also, the M20/4.10 combo is a bit out of norm.
Title: Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 on BAT
Post by: KurtS on November 17, 2025, 04:04:14 PM
I've never seen a letter like that, so maybe you are right and he did it off of photos.
Title: Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 on BAT
Post by: dannystarr on November 17, 2025, 06:02:10 PM
He did use photos.
 I just had it done on a car for possible pre-sale. He authenticates it's a real Z/28 and checks a few items.
The block/Trans/Rear/Carb/Alt/Intake/1st Hidden VIN/heads/WP/Dash VIN tag/Cowl tag and a little more.
I made a mistake and sent him 200 pictures! He went above and beyond for 3.5 hours, then finally had to shut it down. There is no 2nd and 3rd sheet. Total cost $750. Worth every penny. He did the jack/V. Reg/Sheet metal/fuel pump/BH/horns/pullies/shifter etc. But he mentioned about 25 pic's is  the norm. Gotta contact him if ya want it done and HE will decide what to send him.

    Jerry MacNeish's
CAMARO HI-PERFORMANCE LLC
Consultant, Appraisal and Authentication Services
Specializing in Drive-Train Restoration & Technical Publications
5750 Kinsmen Courage Court
Eldersburg, Maryland 21784
Web Site: www.z28camaro.com                        Phone:  410-781-0418       E-mail:  z28camaroman@juno.com
"IAAA CERTIFIED"

   
DATA ANALYSIS REPORT
                                 April 6, 2025
Mr. Daniel Cannuli
Data Analysis, 1968 Z28 Camaro
Vin #124378N481152

Dear Daniel,

After careful evaluation of the photographs you supplied to me, it is my professional opinion that the engine, transmission and rear axle in this 1968 Z28 are real and authentic to the car.  The vin stamp and assembly stampings are identical and match to all of my drive train stampings in my data base.  This was confirmed through data analysis.

V0718MO:    Original engine to vehicle, casting number 3914678, casting date G128, July 12, 1968.

P8S13:   Transmission assembled on November 13, 1967, authentic stamping with vin stamp to this vehicle. Late 1967 Muncie 4-speeds have been observed in similar late production Z28 Camaros.  I have another P8S13 Muncie 4-speed in my data base with a vin close to this vehicle, vin 8N480748.  The protect-o-plate shows the transmission assembly date of P8E18 for this vehicle. This warrants more research and could have been an error by the protect-o-plate operator or a repair issue with the original transmission stamped P8E18 destined to be installed in this vehicle. 

BU0520G2:   Rear axle assembled on May 20, 1968, 3.73 standard recommended ratio, authentic to this vehicle.

Cyl Heads:   3917291, heads dated I297, J97, heads dated very early for an engine assembled on July 18, 1968, the casting dates Sept 29, 1967 and Oct 9, 1967 is a nine month spread from the assembly date.  This is the first time I have observed a spread of nine months from the heads to the engine assembly date.
When these cars were new, there was an issue with rocker arm studs pulling out of the head from high rpm abuse. I suspect it's possible these castings may not be original to the engine and may be replacements. 

1100696:   This alternator is not correct for the 1968 Z28, should have a Delco #1100814 unit, the
      pulley is also incorrect and was used on the 1967 Z28, not used in 1968.

Ring & Pinion: 3862513, pinion dated 2-68, 3862525, ring gear, original GM gear set, however the pinion nut has                                                                                                                                                                         come loose & cut deep grooves into the positraction unit.  This posi case should be replaced.

9078 booster:   This Delco brake booster is dated correctly for this Camaro.  The Z28 received a #9078 Delco booster.  The booster is dated 171st day of 1968 and is authentic to the vehicle.

DF Wheels:   DF rally wheels authentic & date stamped K18-7-16, dates line up with the build date of vehicle.

Fuel Pump:    According to my data from original survivor fuel pumps, #40524 AC pumps have been observed on original survivor Z28 Camaros, including my own 24,000 mile Z28.  The #40726 may be a service replacement pump.

Trim Tag:    The trim tag on this vehicle is authentic to this Camaro.  The 07E build date of the vehicle lines up      perfectly with the vin number sequence.  This car is LeMans blue with white stripes & blue standard   
interior, code 717, the Norwood body number, #182154 was the first number assigned to the order when the dealer called in the order.  According to NCRS, this car was built on 7-30-68.
 
Voltage Reg:   This Delco regulator, #1119515 is dated 8G and is original to this vehicle.

Bumper Jack:   The bumper jack is dated 8G and is original to this car.

POP:      After examination, it's my professional opinion this protect-o-plate is original to the vehicle.  There
      is an issue with the transmission code which was explained under the transmission data analysis.

Starter Motor:   This Delco #8367 starter motor, dated 8G18 is authentic and original to this vehicle.

Radiator:   This radiator was manufactured by Harrison and is original to the vehicle.  The tank date code OD
      dated E of 1968 lines up with the build date of this vehicle.

Hidden Vin:   The hidden vin stamping on the top of the cowl area is untouched and original to the car.  This vin stamp matches the vin plate in the upper dashboard area.

Tire Sticker:   This tire pressure sticker is an original to the vehicle.  Reproductions were made incorrectly with the wrong broadcast code of AG.  Original 3934882 tire pressure stickers are coded AY.   

Regarding data analysis on the other components, I believe the intake manifold, bell housing, side view mirror date 6-DMI-8, Muncie shifter, pulleys, horns, engine lift hooks and sheet metal are original to this vehicle.       


Jerry MacNeish,
Camaro Hi-Performance LLC





Title: Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 on BAT
Post by: CantRepeat on November 18, 2025, 11:11:02 AM
Only trouble with photos, they could be from many cars other then the one he is authenticating.
Title: Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 on BAT
Post by: bcmiller on November 18, 2025, 12:12:24 PM
Exactly. I find that potentially very problematic.

Check out the dash and VIN tag attachment.
Title: Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 on BAT
Post by: David K on November 18, 2025, 03:31:42 PM
The BAT link shows the trim tag is 12A....the report above states 07E. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 on BAT
Post by: BillOhio on November 18, 2025, 05:49:41 PM
David the report in this thread is Dannys car not the auction car.  I do see the auction car says 12A and Jerrys report says 12B
Title: Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 on BAT
Post by: MO on November 18, 2025, 11:12:25 PM
While it does seem that photo inspections could be problematic, I'm sure Jerry is savvy enough to know what he is, or is not, authenticating. His reports are very clear to call out discrepancies. And I'd assume the report states something like, no physical inspection was performed and the report is based solely on owner provided information; or something to that effect. 
Title: Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 on BAT
Post by: David K on November 19, 2025, 10:18:11 AM
Thanks Bill....12A isn't 12B.
Title: Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 on BAT
Post by: Kelley W King on November 28, 2025, 04:44:02 PM
I did not know JM did by photo reports. He did my SS in February and I took it to him.I would feel better about in person reports myself if I were buying.