Started working on my wiper motor and washer pump and I noticed a stamp on it.
It looks like a Julian date 287 66 so that's Oct 14, 1966.
Were wiper motors stamped like this? Is an mid Oct too early for an 11B car?
They were stamped like that. Here's one from an early 67 I did using Mason Row stamps. Car is gone and don't believe I have a TT pic anymore. Sent it to Kurt.
Nice Scott Nailed it, IMO.
That's pretty damn nice right there.
Tim, I think the date is reasonable for your build date.
What is the font called?
Quote from: David K on April 24, 2024, 07:50:09 PM
What is the font called?
Great question!
Does anyone know the font type?
What about the ink color?
I just picked out a font years ago that Mason Row PEGz had available at the time. It is not exact, the 6 is different. I've been in the lettering, graphics, custom paint and auto restoration biz forty years, and used a color I had in stock. You can use anything at the hardware store or buy an ink that's close. Doing the stamp is ridiculously easy. Maybe you can find a stamp company with the exact font or have one made if a judge is going to fail you for a slight difference. Not sure if everyone who restores a wiper motor is adding the stampings...I never looked.
Of the fonts I have on my computer these are the 3 that are close but none are correct.
I sent a message to BC Stamps, the place that Llyod uses for his stamps.
edit - forgot to add the font samples
FWIW "yellow-julian date" font was different in 1968 model year. could be supplier driven
Quote from: CantRepeat on April 27, 2024, 11:01:31 AM
Of the fonts I have on my computer these are the 3 that are close but none are correct.
I sent a message to BC Stamps, the place that Llyod uses for his stamps.
edit - forgot to add the font samples
I got a response from Leo at BC stamps. He said unfortunately he can't match the font.
So I guess it's one of those three I posted. I do have a CD with 3003 fonts on it but not sure I'm going to go through everyone of them. Who knows, the wiper motor is pretty far down on the list of things to get done and it's not like you can stamp it once it's installed.
Quote from: CantRepeat on April 23, 2024, 06:36:24 AM
Started working on my wiper motor and washer pump and I noticed a stamp on it.
It looks like a Julian date 287 66 so that's Oct 14, 1966.
Were wiper motors stamped like this? Is an mid Oct too early for an 11B car?
Can you post the height of your original stamped numbers?
Tx, Bernie
Quote from: CantRepeat on April 23, 2024, 06:36:24 AM
Started working on my wiper motor and washer pump and I noticed a stamp on it.
It looks like a Julian date 287 66 so that's Oct 14, 1966.
Were wiper motors stamped like this? Is an mid Oct too early for an 11B car?
Quote from: bowtie68iho on April 27, 2024, 04:12:53 PM
Can you post the height of your original stamped numbers?
Tx, Bernie
They appear to be 3/8" tall and 1/4' wide as best I can measure.
I used the 1/4" tall stamps which were correct for the motor I did. If someone wants to borrow mine just give me postage. If I was going to lose sleep over an exact font match, a number stamp could be partially used and the incorrect portion hand painted. It's my job to do work that small.
Quote from: Sauron327 on April 27, 2024, 06:43:00 PM
I used the 1/4" tall stamps which were correct for the motor I did. If someone wants to borrow mine just give me postage. If I was going to lose sleep over an exact font match, a number stamp could be partially used and the incorrect portion hand painted. It's my job to do work that small.
.25 is a tad too small.
Quote from: CantRepeat on April 27, 2024, 07:30:09 PM
Quote from: Sauron327 on April 27, 2024, 06:43:00 PM
I used the 1/4" tall stamps which were correct for the motor I did. If someone wants to borrow mine just give me postage. If I was going to lose sleep over an exact font match, a number stamp could be partially used and the incorrect portion hand painted. It's my job to do work that small.
.25 is a tad too small.
Use the .375 stamps if that's what yours is. The result can become larger after the stamp is loaded with paint as mine did. And any letter or number that is rounded on top or bottom is taller than one that is not rounded. An "O" is taller than an "E". Quite evident when someone hand letters, does not know this and their job is wrong. Any sign painter or artist might be happy to duplicate your font with precision.
Quote from: Sauron327 on April 27, 2024, 09:18:40 PM
Any sign painter or artist might be happy to duplicate your font with precision.
That's a really good suggestion.
I assume these date code stamps appeared in 69...........?
Here is what I've found, vintage United Delco. Font and technique is about spot on.
Steve
After falling down the rabbit hole.....
https://www.hprubberstamp.com/images/Pullman_Catalog.pdf
I'll have to measure the one on my wiper motor....
calculations of .375=3/8"=Pullman 3
Calculations of .281=9/32"=Pullman 2 1/2
Looks to be Roman font
David, Here is my (1968) LOS stamping Different Font in my opinion.
Added clearer photo
NOR 03D - 45 68AB
LOS 12D - 32267AB (or possibly 22267AB)
EDIT: Adding 2 more examples
67 BAL Chevelle 04C - 89 67FB
67 ?? - 158 66
Definitely different fonts and I'm thinking the stamp wasn't given much thought, as long as it made it on the part.
The original one quit sometime in the late 80s, and I had a service replacement installed. I picked up this one from Pace Car Jeff last summer.
Quote from: David K on May 01, 2024, 12:11:29 AM
After falling down the rabbit hole.....
https://www.hprubberstamp.com/images/Pullman_Catalog.pdf
I'll have to measure the one on my wiper motor....
calculations of .375=3/8"=Pullman 3
Calculations of .281=9/32"=Pullman 2 1/2
Looks to be Roman font
Nice find. I looked through the brochure and the Roman font. The 6 and 7 don't appear to match up with Roman on the 67 model stampings.
I installed 3000 fonts on my computer and will try to get through most of them this weekend. Hopefully I can find a match and then someone to make a stamp with it.
Quote from: CantRepeat on May 03, 2024, 05:03:07 AM
Quote from: David K on May 01, 2024, 12:11:29 AM
After falling down the rabbit hole.....
https://www.hprubberstamp.com/images/Pullman_Catalog.pdf
I'll have to measure the one on my wiper motor....
calculations of .375=3/8"=Pullman 3
Calculations of .281=9/32"=Pullman 2 1/2
Looks to be Roman font
Nice find. I looked through the brochure and the Roman font. The 6 and 7 don't appear to match up with Roman on the 67 model stampings.
I installed 3000 fonts on my computer and will try to get through most of them this weekend. Hopefully I can find a match and then someone to make a stamp with it.
I've been in the business for decades. If I need certain artwork done for a job, I draw it myself. Then a printer or sign shop scans it and produces the product I need. Very easy process. And sign shops have programs that can manipulate any font or drawing.
Indy: I find it interesting there is no spacing on the stamp. Probably because it was stamped with something.
Can't repeat: Definitely a different font. It appears an8 band stamper with letter on the end are applicable some of the time.
I went though the fonts and while none of them are an exact match these are the best of the lot.
Quote from: 68L30 on April 30, 2024, 07:23:45 PM
Here is what I've found, vintage United Delco. Font and technique is about spot on.
Steve
Steve,
If I mail you a self-addessed stamped envelope, can you stamp "058 68" on an 8-1/2" x 11" piece of white printer paper and mail it back to me? Then, I can get a rubber stamp made with that date code. If interested, please PM a mailing address for my envelope. Thanks!
Bernie
I've order a stamp made with the Introit font and will post the results once I get it.
The rest of the restoration turned out ok. I think the screws holding the pump nozzles came out too shiny for the zinc but I was able to find the correct color nozzles. Most of the repops are bright white and don't match.
Late to this party, been away for awhile. There was a lot of research done on this subject in the 90's(?), also briefly mentioned in the old 'Camaro Enthusiast' magazine (Jan. 1998). There were 2 different styles documented (at that time) and the author went to great lengths to track down the stampers. Don't think he participates on this forum anymore but I'll reach out to him?
This is the style we decided was correct for my 04D/LOS car
Wow the washer pump cover is clearly different than my 11B LOS.
The stamping doesn't match either.
Wasn't there discussion about using different vendors at some point?
This is really interesting. Thanks for the post! I really appreciate it.
Good catch on the cover. The one pictured in your #29 looks just like picture in the Legends manual. I seem to recall rebuilding pump, VERY long time ago (probably late 1970's???) ...maybe a replacement cover? (hmm... have to look into this)
Is the 67 cover the same as 68?
You see thousands of these at various swap meets
^^ Notice the Heat from the pior owners headers melted a corner on my take of unit on left.
LoL!
Here is a stamp from my 11B Van Nuys car. The font is Roman.
Quote from: txrsss on May 18, 2024, 07:52:47 PM
Here is a stamp from my 11B Van Nuys car. The font is Roman.
Looks identical to mine. I don't believe the font is roman.
Quote from: 68L30 on April 30, 2024, 07:23:45 PM
Here is what I've found, vintage United Delco. Font and technique is about spot on.
Steve
Hey Steve,
I'm not sure how I missed this. The font does look darn near perfect.
Could you do me a favor and post a test stamp of 287 66 for me when you get time.
I know this will sound strange. There seem to be differences in how the fonts render on my modern computer, compared to the old-school physical stamp font.
I was trying to track these down a couple years ago. This photo shows a sample of what they called 'Roman' although this particular stamp (TX, you may recognize?) is much larger than the wiper stamp. The other style was called 'Gothic', I think it was mostly used on newer cars?
At the time I was researching this, i ran into a problem. This type of stamp was being discontinued and I was unable to place an order (this was summer 2022). Had an order in progress but it was cancelled/unavailable.
I tried to revisit some of the shopping links I saved in 2022. Not yet found one that works (dead links or moved)...
Post #38 above (ref. to #18) came in while drafting #39. Photo in #18 above I would say is the same font (though mixed sizes).
Looks like DavidK found a good lead in #19! Hope it plays out...
I bought 4 pullman stamps off of ebay so we'll see if they match up.
Quote from: CantRepeat on May 20, 2024, 03:40:38 AM
I bought 4 pullman stamps off of ebay so we'll see if they match up.
If any of them match I am more than willing to send the stamp to whomever has a legitimate need to use it.
Quote from: CantRepeat on May 19, 2024, 04:18:13 AM
Quote from: txrsss on May 18, 2024, 07:52:47 PM
Here is a stamp from my 11B Van Nuys car. The font is Roman.
Looks identical to mine. I don't believe the font is roman.
The older Roman font is different than the current version of Roman.
Well the vintage Pullman stamp is for sure what was used.
I bought four of them and the first arrived today and is a dead ringer for the stamp. I need to work on ink/paint and my technique before I actually do the stamp but pretty happy with how it will look.
I agree that looks like the right font there. Similar stamping like this was found on my 69 LOS rotors
The first stamp is a little too big. I removed it with some paint thinner and will try the next ones.
The font is correct so they must have been using the pullman stamps.
My wiper motor,03C Norwood