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1969 Z28 Camaro
« on: July 25, 2012, 02:02:21 AM »
I recently came across a completely original 1969 Z28 Camaro for sale. This car retains all of its numbers matching drivetrain. The motor is out of the car and dissembled, its complete except for the 1111480 distributor, original radiator and smog pump pulley. All of the other drivetrain pieces have never been removed from the car, still has the original paint and some rust on the drivers quarter panel and drivers door.The car has 69000 miles on it and has been off the road since 1975. I'm wondering what the CRG members think this car is worth, I''m thinking of making an offer on the car.

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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2012, 02:24:25 AM »

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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2012, 02:29:02 AM »
Already over the money for a rusty car.

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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2012, 02:45:19 AM »
Already over the money for a rusty car.

I agree, and why was the engine disassembled?
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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2012, 02:50:19 AM »
Thanks for the info guys

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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2012, 11:06:28 PM »
Maybe I'm confused but that car is not a rusty hulk in my view, not sure it's worth the price but definitely a great piece.

In my opinion, the engine needs to be built with an old paint finish and reinstalled, treat the rust areas to stop any further deteriation (maybe a little work and spot blend) and show it as is as a reference piece.

There only original once, they can be built or restored 1000 times, original cars even in that condition (which I don't is that bad) should be left alone.

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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2012, 12:00:42 AM »
No one called the car a "rusty hulk." But there sure is a lot of rust perforation for a car that has been off the road for 37 years.

The poor storage of the engine is a potential problem. There is rust and aside from that, it was dismantled and abandoned for a reason-worn out, block cracked, spun main? What if it isn't rebuildable? Assuming it is the cost of acquisition plus complete drivetrain rebuild and making the car roadworthy doesn't add up.


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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2012, 01:51:50 AM »
Bad choice of words on my part, you have good points and some things to consider to go with that. Way too many people get in over their heads on repairs, pulled the motor thinking I can fix it on the cheap, found out it needed machine work and got stopped, never got back to it. We have all seen it many times and yes it cold be cracked or a chunk missing that the seller isn't showing (81% rating definitely leaves questions). As far as the rest of the powertrain, couple hundred for the small parts kit and an afternoon, double that if you have to replace a gear or 2. The rear if it needs everything is $5-700, add $300 if the axles are bad, but doubtful.

It could be a good project for a builder, if you had to pay to have the work done, then it doesn't make sense and again the entry fee puts it at a tough sell...................but that is the asking price not the sold price.

Point is, IN MY OPINION, cars like this should be saved and preserved if at all possible. Doesn't a car like this add a lot to CRG?

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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2012, 02:36:40 AM »
Definitely should not be restored. It is a survivor.

A Z/28 in comparable condition but with running OE engine was sold earlier this year. The new owner has made the necessary repairs and retained the Day 2 equipment. Will not be restored; probably gets more attention as it is.

Hope this one finds a similar home.

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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2012, 04:01:17 PM »
Bill I agree the day 2 look is becoming more and more popular again. This car would be a project for sure and not cheap, seems a little high as it hit $27K and the reserve was not met. Not sure of any '69Z project car currently bringing money in the $30K range.
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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2012, 06:28:33 PM »
Engine is holding it back. I bought a std bore DZ block years ago that turned out to have a spun thrust bearing. Just lucky one of my buds could get it handled.

With a complete drive train rebuild, brakes, tires, exhaust, etc one could drop another $15k here. And it will still be rusty.

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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2012, 03:00:01 AM »
Engine is holding it back. I bought a std bore DZ block years ago that turned out to have a spun thrust bearing. Just lucky one of my buds could get it handled.

With a complete drive train rebuild, brakes, tires, exhaust, etc one could drop another $15k here. And it will still be rusty.

Not sure who does your work but I could have all that work done for less than half that price.
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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2012, 03:25:54 AM »
i dont even know if i buy original paint on this car. the stripes inside the hood look to have been repainted
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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2012, 05:30:31 AM »
i dont even know if i buy original paint on this car. the stripes inside the hood look to have been repainted

I'm with ya plus the upper cowl should have white from when stripes were painted. My original paint car had white all along the upper cowl.
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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2012, 01:46:14 PM »
I'd own it.

lcmc, can you post a picture of yours with the paint on the cowl for reference.

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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2012, 02:01:44 PM »
I'd own it.

lcmc, can you post a picture of yours with the paint on the cowl for reference.
Firstgenaddict has photos of that area in his survivor album.

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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2012, 04:55:00 PM »
I'd own it.

lcmc, can you post a picture of yours with the paint on the cowl for reference.

I sold the car and not sure I have a picture. If not I'll try to get current owner to. Also my car had over spray under trunk lid from the stripes. Wish this guy had pictures of that.
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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2012, 05:07:39 PM »
Here is the pic of engine bay. Every original paint white stripe car I've seen has the white on upper cowl area.
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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2012, 05:15:04 PM »
Engine is holding it back. I bought a std bore DZ block years ago that turned out to have a spun thrust bearing. Just lucky one of my buds could get it handled.

With a complete drive train rebuild, brakes, tires, exhaust, etc one could drop another $15k here. And it will still be rusty.

Not sure who does your work but I could have all that work done for less than half that price.



There's that reading comprehension thing again.

Having worked in the restoration business for 15 years your attitude is common. That's why there are so many half-done projects on ebay. Everything takes longer and costs more than planned. The business closed 15 years ago and some customer cars still sit half-done.

So you're going to rebuild the engine, [assuming it is rebuildable] trans, rear axle, clutch, brakes, fuel system, suspension, cooling system, exhaust system, electrical system and replace the tires for less than $7,500. Five years ago one of our customers asked a top Camaro restorer about a rebuild on his complete, running 302 engine and was quoted $5000-$7000. He has plenty of business and many happy customers.

You get what you pay for.


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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2012, 05:41:09 PM »
Engine is holding it back. I bought a std bore DZ block years ago that turned out to have a spun thrust bearing. Just lucky one of my buds could get it handled.

With a complete drive train rebuild, brakes, tires, exhaust, etc one could drop another $15k here. And it will still be rusty.

Not sure who does your work but I could have all that work done for less than half that price.



There's that reading comprehension thing again.

Having worked in the restoration business for 15 years your attitude is common. That's why there are so many half-done projects on ebay. Everything takes longer and costs more than planned. The business closed 15 years ago and some customer cars still sit half-done.

So you're going to rebuild the engine, [assuming it is rebuildable] trans, rear axle, clutch, brakes, fuel system, suspension, cooling system, exhaust system, electrical system and replace the tires for less than $7,500. Five years ago one of our customers asked a top Camaro restorer about a rebuild on his complete, running 302 engine and was quoted $5000-$7000. He has plenty of business and many happy customers.

You get what you pay for.



All I know is I've had engines rebuilt and dynoed for half that cost. They all ran great and stayed together. I live in rural Ohio and we have good ol boys who do good work for an honest price. They don't have fancy shops and all the overhead.
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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2012, 07:20:13 PM »
I just took pictures off cowl and stripes. Phone won't downsize enough so i will have to do it at home
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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2012, 09:12:25 PM »
Need a little help. I have cowl pics, taken with my phone. I finally got them down to the size that will work but now says it wont take bmp pictures. How do I change it to jpg or something? I tried to change the name and that didnt work

My cousin builds racing engines and last time I was there had a 2000 hp blown alcohol engine on his dyno. He qouted me 7800 for a new whole engine with good parts. Dart block, cast heads, stroked to 383 with good crank and rods. roller cam.  I think the 5-7000 is pretty high but dont doubt it.
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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2012, 09:26:07 PM »
might have it figured out
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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2012, 09:53:31 PM »
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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2012, 11:29:43 PM »
Thanks for the pictures guys.

My reference to a low cost of getting it ont he road is based in doing the work myself, I couldn't/wouldn't do it for a customer any less than what is being surmisses above.

I did a 350 not to long ago for my son's truck. I used a 93 roller block, speed pro forged, comp cam, tru-roller and a steel crank, had the rods shot peens & the beams polished. I had an engine reasonable local engine builder with a great history assemble the short block because they gave me a 3 year warranty, I did the head work on a working set of 492s and ran the 69-70 factory aluminum intake. The short block was $1605 with tax, I had about $600 in the heads and only $75 (yes, I stole it from one of my Mopar buddys), so well less than $2500. This 302 ASSUMING the block, crank, rods, heads and intake are good would cost me less to build. That is recent real world history.

I am not convinced you would have to build the tranny and rear end in this thing for casual use but if I did as mentioned above the small parts kit is probably the only thing needed. I last year I built a NP435 for my son's CJ (yeah, he has some toys too), the small parts kit was $290, low gear was $65, reverse and idler $35 each, and an adaptor output and collar from Novak was $500, less than a grand. I have a guy that builds custom cllutch assembles for my for $200. Again, recent real world history, surely a Muncie would be cheaper. All the bearings for the rear end would run about $250 or so, the gear is probably reuseable but if not $250 for a pro-gear, the carrier rebuild kit is probalby less than $200 if needed and I cant image but if it needed axles, strange axles are $300 or so and factory ones are out there. A good exhaust system, although not original will be welll less than $500, brakes unless I miss my guess would run less than $500. Tires $500.

All the prices are based on doing it myself

So what's the total? $6200 +/- on the high end AND yes you always go over budget.

All just speculation since I aint buying it and the entry price from the bids, shill or otherwise is too high in my view.

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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2012, 03:50:30 PM »
I recently came across a completely original 1969 Z28 Camaro for sale. This car retains all of its numbers matching drivetrain. The motor is out of the car and dissembled, its complete except for the 1111480 distributor, original radiator and smog pump pulley. All of the other drivetrain pieces have never been removed from the car, still has the original paint and some rust on the drivers quarter panel and drivers door.The car has 69000 miles on it and has been off the road since 1975. I'm wondering what the CRG members think this car is worth, I''m thinking of making an offer on the car.

Sold 7-30-12 on Ebay for $31,000.00

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« Last Edit: July 30, 2012, 04:37:12 PM by 1968RSZ28 »

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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2012, 04:34:49 PM »
Thanks Paul for posting the update, I am shocked that car went for $31K. Maybe I am a little disconnected on what a project car that is rusty goes for these day. I wish the new owner all the best in his/her restoration and hope to see the completed car one day.
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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2012, 07:57:31 PM »
I was really interested in the car , even bid on at 28 000, but that was the limit for me. In the end the engine being disassembled scared me off.

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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2012, 08:17:31 PM »
Here is the pic of engine bay. Every original paint white stripe car I've seen has the white on upper cowl area.
That is unique to LA built cars.

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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2012, 10:12:04 PM »
Here is the pic of engine bay. Every original paint white stripe car I've seen has the white on upper cowl area.
That is unique to LA built cars.

No. The pictures above are a Norwood car
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Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2012, 05:45:20 AM »
The cowl overspray on this blue car looks original. Some NOR cars have no stripe overspray, some have lots. My Z has it light on one side, almost solid white on the other.

Are the corners of the hood just sitting on the cowl when he's taking those pics?? It's not bolted to the hood hinges.
Looks like someone steamcleaned the engine bay. That removes more than I'd want...

I'd rebuild that motor and drive it. Not sure I'd do much else.
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