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« on: February 26, 2012, 02:22:07 PM »

Beware this post is somewhat of a rant ...........
Even though 68 zs  are much more rare, they rarely bring the money of the 69s, WHY?
Is it because of GM not coding it on the cowl tag?
Or is because people like the 69 body better?
The 67 and 68z shared basically the same body, 67 z28s bring super money because of their  rarity,
Will the 68 z ever get the appreciation it deserves?
Just wanted to see other opinions

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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2012, 02:31:51 PM »

I think it has to do with the one year only body style of the 69, and maybe to some extent the cowl induction hood. (even though most didn't have it from the factory).  But back in 69 the 69 Z sold so well as we all know because the 68 Z kicked butt on the race track. So don't get too down on owning a 68 Z/28 it is still the best LOL
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2012, 02:34:02 PM »

Wait, they made Camaro's in 67 and 68?  Grin
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2012, 02:39:39 PM »

Wait, they made Camaro's in 67 and 68?  Grin


My point exactly  Undecided
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2012, 03:36:31 PM »

Everyone in the hobby grows up thinking low production or rare is always worth more. Not true-popular cars were often made in large numbers and are still strong today. Camaro, Mustang, Chevelle SS, GTO-nothing rare about any of them and they are the backbone of the musclecar hobby. Almost any Camaro is worth more than a Firebird and they made a heck of a lot fewer Firebirds. Same with a Cougar-why aren't they worth more than a Mustang?

As for your "rant" 1968 is not the best year for almost any musclecar. No idea why. And what about a '67 Z/28? Should be more valuable than any of them and I'm not convinced they are.
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2012, 03:39:18 PM »

Everyone in the hobby grows up thinking low production or rare is always worth more. Not true-popular cars were often made in large numbers and are still strong today. Camaro, Mustang, Chevelle SS, GTO-nothing rare about any of them and they are the backbone of the musclecar hobby. Almost any Camaro is worth more than a Firebird and they made a heck of a lot fewer Firebirds. Same with a Cougar-why aren't they worth more than a Mustang?

As for your "rant" 1968 is not the best year for almost any musclecar. No idea why. And what about a '67 Z/28? Should be more valuable than any of them and I'm not convinced they are.

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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2012, 03:44:20 PM »

 I have always owned '67's but I admit the '69 body styles look so damn good. Grin
The 69 body style looks fast even when standing still. I wish the new Camaro's retained the vintage look like the '69's
sort of like the new 'Stangs and Challenger looks that retained their vintage shapes.


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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2012, 03:52:21 PM »

I have always owned '67's but I admit the '69 body styles look so damn good. Grin
The 69 body style looks fast even when standing still. I wish the new Camaro's retained the vintage look like the '69's
sort of like the new 'Stangs and Challenger looks that retained their vintage shapes.


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Mike you are so right about the new Camaro, What I wanted was old school  look with modern technology
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2012, 06:38:17 PM »

Well we love our 68Z and are spending loads of time and effort to restore it back to a high level but 69's are one great looking year Camaro and just more popular. Same is true for a 67 C2 Corvette compared to 63-66 C2's. All C2's are great (63-67) but the 67 overall is just flat out more desirable.
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2012, 06:58:45 PM »

The essence of the hobby is having the car you always wanted and enjoying it. Sounds like you're there.

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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2012, 08:18:30 PM »

The essence of the hobby is having the car you always wanted and enjoying it. Sounds like you're there.



Yep she's a 1968 LeMans Blue Z28
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2012, 08:37:48 PM »

Yep she's a 1968 LeMans Blue Z28

Sounds like a beautiful car!  I always wanted a '68 Z/28...   Cheesy

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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2012, 08:50:18 PM »

Along the lines of what William is talking about, I think we can all agree that the first gen Camaro's hold a special place in all of us. Rare or not, good looking or not, running or not, they are all awesome cars.

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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2012, 11:26:34 PM »

As a owner of a 68 Le Mans Blue Z i find very it interesting myself. The prices are getting higher and i believe they will continue that trend.  A real 68 car is less available, harder to document, fewer to love ?  As for 69 cars more of them available than they ever made, so plenty to love? Only time will tell as new collectors look at the facts. As for now the styling of first gen. Z cars is forever lost in the 60's. For now that is for sure.

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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2012, 12:04:56 AM »

I've owned '68, '69, and '70 Z28s.   I think the '68 was 'quicker', probably due to it's lighter weight.   The '70 was a nicer driver and better handling car.  (I'm talking 'stock' form here)...
But...  I traded the '68 for the '69...  and later bought/sold the '70...  and I still have the '69Z28-RS..    Smiley
I think it's looks correllate directly with it's popularity and appeal today...

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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2012, 12:59:50 AM »

The essence of the hobby is having the car you always wanted and enjoying it. Sounds like you're there.



Yep she's a 1968 LeMans Blue Z28
Have you signed your 68 Z up on Team Camaro? We got a bunch of 68Z owners! http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=182224&page=11
As a owner of a 68 Le Mans Blue Z i find very it interesting myself. The prices are getting higher and i believe they will continue that trend.  A real 68 car is less available, harder to document, fewer to love ?  As for 69 cars more of them available than they ever made, so plenty to love? Only time will tell as new collectors look at the facts. As for now the styling of first gen. Z cars is forever lost in the 60's. For now that is for sure.

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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2012, 01:03:02 AM »

As a owner of a 68 Le Mans Blue Z i find very it interesting myself. The prices are getting higher and i believe they will continue that trend.  A real 68 car is less available, harder to document, fewer to love ?  As for 69 cars more of them available than they ever made, so plenty to love? Only time will tell as new collectors look at the facts. As for now the styling of first gen. Z cars is forever lost in the 60's. For now that is for sure.
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2012, 08:07:37 AM »

And look at the up side, if First Gens were truly rare like some classics, no one could ever find parts so you could drive them!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2012, 11:02:01 AM »

Thanks Chick i will post my info. on my 68 Z when i get off work today. One thing for sure we all love those Camaro's. Your right Lakeholme i am glad they made as many as they did.

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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2012, 11:05:49 AM »

I've owned my Corvette Bronze 68z for 36 years now & it is my favorite probably because it was the first Camaro I ever owned. I've watched the market rise & fall over the years & it didn't matter as it would never be sold & the market has always been in the middle for the 68. I could've purchased a 69 at the same time I purchased the 68 & chose the 68 because of the nicer houndstooth interior. Buy what you like & can afford & enjoy whatever you have. Don't worry about the value....Joe
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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2012, 09:24:15 PM »

I too am have a 68 Le Mans Blue RS Z28 that I am in the process of a full restoration. I think the 68 was the best of the three years. I like the 67 but think the 68 is better without the vent window. Scoop
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« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2012, 11:47:18 AM »

Gentlemen,

Althoush like all of us who participate in this forum, i like all three years of the 1st gen Camaro.  

However, reality is that the '69 model body style was more popular with the public and arguably one of the if not the most iconic body style of the  muscle car era.  

Many will dispute this, not agree with this, etc., and that is ok.  

Obviously you should own, love, maintain, and restore what you like, not what others like, however, auction records, other sales records, etc. speak for themselves.  

It is what it is - the '69 Camaro body was more popular to more people both "back in the day" as well as today.....and demand drives prices more than scarcity / rarity.  Edsels are pretty rare. but........
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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2012, 02:54:50 PM »

And then come the 70 1/2 camaro back then the CEO's must have thought a change was what they needed, kinda like 58 Chevy a one year deal. Like a 69 . Anyway almost twice as many 69 for sale all the time. I often wonder what a 69 would have looked like if they didn't can it after 1 year. Was there a concept?
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« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2012, 03:28:04 PM »

 I don't like the the money aspect of this hobby... it's killing all the REAL camaro lovers ability to have fun, however buy them now while they are cheaper. The market will correct it's self in time. As stated earlier in this thread the 68 built the market for the 69.
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« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2012, 04:52:38 PM »

someone mentioned having a Corvette Bronze '68 Z...  which is a gorgeous and rare color.  A friend of mine in the USAF back in '68 had a bronze 327 with 4sp.. gorgeous!  That would be my favorite in a '68, although I really liked my Lemans blue '68 ;  it was a basic Z - no extras except spoiler, and when I had opportunity to trade it for an 'unusual orange/black/org/blk houndstooth' 69 Z28/RS with all the bells/whistles in 1976, I had to do it..  but I wish I'd kept them both..  also wish I'd kept the '70-1/2 orange/white Z28 I bought a few years later..   wonder if my wife would notice 2 more added to the 14 or 15 I already own?   Smiley    unfortunately back in those days, I only had garage space for one.... so the others are gone...sad to say!
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« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2012, 06:44:18 PM »

I don't like the the money aspect of this hobby... it's killing all the REAL Camaro lovers ability to have fun, however buy them now while they are cheaper. The market will correct it's self in time. As stated earlier in this thread the 68 built the market for the 69.
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  All the years I have had them (+30 years) I never thought of selling them even during times when I needed money when raising a young family.
Now, those days are behind me and I am glad I kept the cars. I am so attached to them that the money they are worth now means nothing to me and I have both in a will to my children when I leave this life.
Sorry to deviate from the topic but being we are talking about Camaro altruism, I figured what the heck.

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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2012, 10:21:52 PM »

And then come the 70 1/2 camaro back then the CEO's must have thought a change was what they needed, kinda like 58 Chevy a one year deal. Like a 69 . Anyway almost twice as many 69 for sale all the time. I often wonder what a 69 would have looked like if they didn't can it after 1 year. Was there a concept?

I read somewhere I and I don't remember what book it was or how much truth was to it but; It stated that the 69 was originally was supposed to run two years (remember that was kind of the run of a car back then) but that the new Mustang was cutting deep into 69 Camaro sales so they rushed the 1970 which was supposed to be a 71 into production. They made more 69's than the other first gens but they had another 4 or 5 months of production I wonder how many would have been built had production stopped at the end of a normal production year?

All in all I do love all first gens and there are cool things about each of them and I wish I had a 69 in my collection, but I won't give up my LeMans blue 68 Z  or my 1970 RS/SS 396 to get one.
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« Reply #27 on: February 29, 2012, 02:13:10 PM »

Man i want a 69 RS/SS next. (On bucket list) gotta be a bb but i would take a automatic, only because all my others are manual. Really love that style a ton. I'm not sure what color maybe Black... I  better keep dreaming, that's a rare one. Any body got one?
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