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« on: January 30, 2012, 03:24:01 PM »

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/midshipmanP/69pacecar/engnumbers/PART%20OF%20ENG%20NUMBERS/DSC_2361.jpg

Do these numbers look correct to you guys? Font, location etc.
It is from a BB pacer on Ebay.

Font looks funny for date stamp especially?
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2012, 03:32:53 PM »

By N614xxx the VIN stamp was on the side of the block near the oil filter.
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2012, 03:34:39 PM »

The CAR IN QUESTION has been on ebay before and it's a nice restoration, but the engine is a restamp.

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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2012, 10:11:10 PM »

The CAR IN QUESTION has been on ebay before and it's a nice restoration, but the engine is a restamp.

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   What stands out are the fonts of the partial VIN on the block don't match the font on the tranny partial VIN. I assume the 69 engine and trannys were stamped the same time when the car was built.
The ad states "WE HAD THE ENGINE & TRANSMISSION REMOVED & PROFESSIONALLY INSPECTED FOR AUTHENTICITY"
Sounds like a play of words? Authentic doesn't necessarily mean original or 'born with'.

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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2012, 11:00:15 PM »

inspected dosn't mean found, proved, verified, it just means inspected. What are the results of the inspection ?
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2012, 11:09:50 PM »

inspected dosn't mean found, proved, verified, it just means inspected. What are the results of the inspection ?
Agreed ....
I gave it a quick 'inspection' and the number 4 jumped out immediately to be different between the block and tranny partial VIN. The red font flag went up then.
 Inspection done!

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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2012, 01:22:50 AM »

The ad states "WE HAD THE ENGINE & TRANSMISSION REMOVED & PROFESSIONALLY INSPECTED FOR AUTHENTICITY"
It's always nice to know that it's an authentic engine and trans, not one of those newfangled hologram versions.....

For reference, 124679N614011.
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2012, 08:57:22 PM »

Not trying to highjack this tread, but want constitutes a respamp. ( I'm quite sure I know, but continue reading) Restamping of the block pad with new numbers # once it been deck with a different build date # to make it look like the original build date, or restamping a partial vin #, or both.

Lets say, a person could not find the matching motor/block. But they were able to find a correct casting block, correct casting build date, along with an original date coded pad # (Block never  decked) that matched the cars original build date, but the block  does not have a partital vin number down by the oil filter.

Lets say all these facts were true, would it not technically be considered a numbers matching block. Note, I did not say numbers matching motor.

How would anyone ever know once a car passed hands one or two times. Especially, if the the car is not in the CRG data base. How would anyone able to tell if it was a respamp or not since some times the stamping beside the oil filter is not there or ledgible.

I know it would be unethical if you knew and did not tell the  buyer the hole story.  But I'm sure its has happens.

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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2012, 11:16:51 AM »

In my opinion that would be fraud, if it was used in any way to document or verify a more desireable (higher priced) model. There is all ready too much fraud in the collector car market.
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2012, 11:42:39 AM »

transmission stamp is funky as well!
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2013, 12:24:47 PM »

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/midshipmanP/69pacecar/engnumbers/PART%20OF%20ENG%20NUMBERS/DSC_2361.jpg

Do these numbers look correct to you guys? Font, location etc.
It is from a BB pacer on Ebay.

Asked this question a year ago. Would like to revisit. Hopefully the picture still shows up.
Typically the vin# is at best difficult to see whether it is located on the pad or by the oil filter.
I am mostly curious about the date stamps. Obvioulsy if that stamp stands out as not being correct, be it font or height etc., It is safe to say that certainally the other stamps would be questionable. So...a few questions;
1. Is there anyone out there that has the exact fonts and numbers that Norwood used? If so, are they common place?
2. If not, then could I assume it would be very easy to spot a restamped date code??
3. Using this picture as a template. Does this date stamp have the correct fonts? Numerals?
4. Did the person doing the stamping take special care and time to make each stamp parallel to the block edge? Seems doubtful...but??
5. Also, I have seen the CRG report showing where the date stamp should be for a big block. Seems correct location here on this pic, correct??
6. Finally, After the VIN# was moved down to the oil filter, was the date stamp still put in the exact same place or did workers realize they had more room and could have moved it to the right towards or even in the middle of the pad??
I hope to start a search within the year for a BB 4 speed car and want to know as much as possible before I post pics to the forum.
Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2013, 01:11:52 PM »

To answer your questions:

1. No, but there ARE people out there that will restamp blocks (for a fee) with similar fonts. To the untrained eye, they're more difficult to spot, but if you have a lot of real stamps (as we do in the database), they're easy to pick out.
2. See above.
3. Sorry, I won't go into details since this would only help the fakers out there.
4. No
5. Read THIS for the VIN location.
6. See #3 above.

If you find a car you're interested in, post a picture of the pad and we can tell you if it's real or not.

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2013, 01:49:59 PM »

Ed,
Thanks for the responces. Guess I expected #3 and #6 responses. Since question #4 is no I assume question #3 must be no as well.

"If you find a car you're interested in, post a picture of the pad and we can tell you if it's real or not."

I did originally post this pic one year ago and still have not gotten an answer if the date stamp is real or not.

Thanks again
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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2013, 02:15:05 PM »

The VIN is a restamp. I'd have to ask Kurt if the suffix is or not. I don't have enough 69 stamps to compare it to.

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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2013, 03:30:34 PM »

Dean,
You clearly asked about the pad and received a clear response.
If one is a restamp, you can assume the other is too.
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