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« on: January 02, 2012, 03:33:56 PM »

In a post before I was asked about pictures and as I dig up stuff I will post some. My car has sat where it is since 1984. It is apart and has been a home for cats, mice and cardboard boxes of whatever. I was rooting through stuff today and thought about it and snapped some.
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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2012, 03:34:58 PM »

another body number
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2012, 03:36:31 PM »

not sure why 2 came up on the last shot
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2012, 03:37:33 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2012, 03:39:03 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2012, 03:40:41 PM »

another rear shot. This part has caused no end of grief with the folks who have visited the car and said that it cannot be correct for the car due to the lack of either style traction bar
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2012, 03:43:00 PM »

this piece causes grief too. I have been told there should be a "350" numeral on the horn button. There never was. For that matter none of the SS emblems displayed "350" either.
this is the original blue wheel. I took it out of the car in the summer of 69.
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2012, 03:45:37 PM »

this is the cars trans. no, its not original. maybe the carrier plate and/or the tailshaft might be but I really dont remember. We used to stamp them with our initials because stealing transmissions was almost as common as stealing wheels was. This case has the countershaft moved .010 deeper into the main shaft.
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2012, 03:47:00 PM »

wall shot in my cave. This is what the kids want the car to look like again.
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2012, 03:47:53 PM »

stuff
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2012, 03:48:20 PM »

more stuff
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2012, 03:48:55 PM »

still more stuff
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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2012, 03:51:32 PM »

cylinder head. redone decades ago and sitting in the bag. Back in the early 70's I salvaged a yellow 67 SS 350 powerglide ragtop and these heads might have been off that car. I dont think they are off the basket case.
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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2012, 03:52:04 PM »

another cylinder head
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« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2012, 03:53:53 PM »

not sure which engine this manifold is off either. The powerglide car had the most unbelievable looking vacuum fitting in it. I may find that yet when I dig deeper into this thing.
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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2012, 03:55:40 PM »

chopped up console. Its what I did to keep the guage cluster and make room for the super shifter. I picked up another console decades ago just in case.
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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2012, 03:59:36 PM »

I got a deluxe interior at a yard sale quite a while back. It has the flip down seat. Its dirty now but intact. I find that amazing. The original interior was literally falling apart by 1972. It wasnt torn but the stitching was failing on all the seats. That didnt bug me too much as I really had grown to dislike the bright blue and used it as an excuse to dye most of the interior black and have the original seats rolled and pleated in white....that kind of job shows my age.
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« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2012, 04:01:01 PM »

my car has no hardware or mountin locations for the flip seat. If I use it no doubt I will be making parts.
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« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2012, 04:01:51 PM »

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« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2012, 04:08:19 PM »

the original engine was taken out in 72. By 72 the car was coming apart as I mentioned before. The quarter panels were extremely cancered. The interior stitching was failing. I had the quarters switched out along with the rear panel. That was a mistake because in 72 already the rear panel with the holes for the reverse lights was unavailable. The hardest to get parts for it actually were parking brake cables. The car had a couple design changes on parking brake setups and the drum cables on mine were the odder design and a pain to get.
I have a 4 bolt main engine that went back into the car at that point.
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« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2012, 04:11:35 PM »

a distributor. I dont know if this belongs in it or not. I didnt use factory ignition after 72.

Out of pictures for now. When I dig deeper in to it I will post more if anyone is interested.
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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2012, 04:30:04 PM »

Great pictures Steve. And going by the casting numbers and date codes, everything you show is original to your car (with the exception of the transmission of course). That includes the heads and the distributor. I also see a Muncie main case in post number 11. Is that your original?

I can't explain the lack of "SS 350" on the steering wheel or the lack of "350" on the fenders. Do you have any pictures of the car when it was new (or newer)?

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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2012, 05:22:37 PM »

I love that Deep Water Blue
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« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2012, 05:55:06 PM »

Looks like red showing through, under the blue steering wheel?  I need to start going to yard sales if they have rear foldowns for sale!
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« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2012, 05:55:55 PM »

the orig owner of my 12D 67 rs/ss stated that he had to take the car back to the dealership to have the traction bar installed. it was not on the car when new! makes sense too, because it is the square traction bar, not the round one that was supposed to be on the small block cars. cool project. get to work!!!
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« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2012, 06:14:43 PM »

Ed,
I know somewhere there are pictures. It had the 350 flags on the side. What it didnt have is "SS350" insignia anywhere, just SS.

69Z I know about the blue. Cant imagine it being another color. Just hate the bright blue interior though. What I think I will do is return the interior paint to bright blue but go with the white gut.
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« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2012, 06:27:14 PM »

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It had the 350 flags on the side. What it didnt have is "SS350" insignia anywhere, just SS

That's what you should have. SS on the front of the fenders and then "Camaro", "350" and the crossed "flags" emblems on the rear of the fenders.

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« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2012, 08:00:21 PM »

Did it have the SS 350 fuel cap?
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« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2012, 09:23:38 PM »

Ed
yes thats the original main case. It has my initials stamped in it. Bad things happened inside that box and it needs to have the countershaft bores sleeved. Back in the day trannys were stolen regularly. If you were a guy with a big body low hp car and started doing any modificiations to it you soon discovered what a weak link a saginaw trans was and the cheapest way to repair a saginaw was to steal a muncie. It was good to look closer up there. Found an original shifter and a 30 across cam in a tube.

Pete. I wore some heavy jewelry back in the day and if you cut into that blue wheel you found red plastic. I carved a nice gash in it with a ring over time.
also it did not have an SS350 gas cap. The only 350 designation was on the flags.

X77 This never went back for the factory mod. It didnt work anyway. I broke a set of ET bars off it and got a set of original Lakewood lift bars on it. They worked and I never replaced them. I think I'll use Caltracs today though if I stay with that suspension. The one Lakewood is long and clips the road surface under hard braking if the front retainers are off.
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« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2012, 12:26:52 AM »

I read somewhere the early SS's, (before BB's started in late Dec.) only had the SS Emblem front and rear.  They started the SS 350 Emblem sometime after the BB cars went into production.
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« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2012, 07:04:42 AM »

my car has no hardware or mountin locations for the flip seat. If I use it no doubt I will be making parts.
Brackets and hardware are available aftermarket.
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« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2012, 09:45:33 AM »

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I read somewhere the early SS's, (before BB's started in late Dec.) only had the SS Emblem front and rear.  They started the SS 350 Emblem sometime after the BB cars went into production.

You are correct Mike. HERE'S where you read it.

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At this time, the only SS was the SS-350 model, and the badges on the car read "SS-350". When the SS-396 was introduced in January 1967, the badges were changed for all SS models to read "SS".

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« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2012, 10:18:35 AM »

Steve, just pointing out that the rear could be orig, as the early cars didnt have the traction bar. And YES it does nothing. I purchased my car from the orig owner in 1984, it still had the orig ss-350 gas cap. It is a 12d car, so maybe that was after the change. Cool car. Keep us in the loop!
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« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2012, 11:39:59 AM »

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I read somewhere the early SS's, (before BB's started in late Dec.) only had the SS Emblem front and rear.  They started the SS 350 Emblem sometime after the BB cars went into production.

You are correct Mike. HERE'S where you read it.

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At this time, the only SS was the SS-350 model, and the badges on the car read "SS-350". When the SS-396 was introduced in January 1967, the badges were changed for all SS models to read "SS".

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Ed, isn't what Mike asked totally opposite of actual 67 "SS 350" badging and thus incorrect? (early ones used it, once BBs introduced all the SS models used same "SS" fuel cap and grille emblem)
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« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2012, 12:00:22 PM »

Yep. My mistake. I read his reply wrong.

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« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2012, 04:12:04 PM »

Interesting. So only the early SS 350's had the "SS-350" Gas cap. A friend had one back in the 70's with that cap, so it must have been an early car.

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« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2012, 04:52:01 PM »

Interesting. So only the early SS 350's had the "SS-350" Gas cap. A friend had one back in the 70's with that cap, so it must have been an early car.

Jimmy V.

Correct, also the center grille badge.  I'm not sure if it also carried over to the center cap on standard steering wheels.
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« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2012, 07:01:22 PM »

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I'm not sure if it also carried over to the center cap on standard steering wheels.

No, because the 396 didn't use an SS horn cap. It had the standard "Camaro" cap.

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