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« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2012, 11:57:50 PM »

All sounds reasonable.
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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2012, 07:58:29 AM »

Am I reading the transmission date correctly Undecided Huh
How does everything else correspond with the car???

TO928HB Tonawanda, Sept. 28, L48 w/TH350
YOPO6 Toledo TH350, 70, Sept. 6
12437 8cyl coupe; 9N 69 Norwood; 688125 Seq. Body #; C Carter Carb
BL0928G 3.07 12 Bolt, Sept. 28, Chevy Gear & Axle; 9 Sept.
11331 PS, PB, Radio, Power Disc Brakes, A/C; Bowtie

BTW - Ed asked for the engine stamp. Can you also post a pic of the cowl tag?
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« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2012, 10:19:59 PM »

Here is the POP.  No pic of engine stamp.  Could Chevy have started using 1970 trans on the later build Camaros in Sept. '69? I've seen one other one that did but had no paperwork so couldn't be sure if changed or not.  Owner of that car swore it was the orig. Just wondering.
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« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2012, 06:46:04 AM »

Just to be clear, my question is, could the number in question for the trans. be designating the model year or is it always denoting the year of manufacture of the trans.? Certainly, if it is always the year of manufacture, then this is clearly a botched POP.  If it is for the model year, then perhaps the extended production time for the camaro could have resulted in using the trans for the 1970 model year for practicality. After all, all the other models were already 1970 models by late Sept. 1969, right?  The other one I saw had a very late build date of 10D.
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« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2012, 06:56:53 AM »

If this is an extended year 1969 didn't some of the rear and engine stampings become year 70, after August 1969?
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« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2012, 07:33:56 AM »

Just to be clear, my question is, could the number in question for the trans. be designating the model year or is it always denoting the year of manufacture of the trans.?

Model year...you can find it here under POP #8. http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#POPCodes

The Cowl Tag coincides with the POP in that the build date is the 4Th week of Sept. 69. In addition, TR - Dark Blue Standard Bucket, 53 53 - Glacier Blue, X11 - SS350. The next thing I would do is get pics of the engine pad, transmission & axle stamps.

I can't help with '70 transmissions being used for '69 Camaro's but so far the planets seem to be lining up. Maybe John or Kurt can shed some light on the topic.

Aside from 1970, how does the rest of the information from the POP and now the Cowl Tag correspond with the car?
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« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2012, 08:23:05 AM »

...As usual, Kurt/CRG doesn't miss a beat. You can find it here; http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#trans, which states;

"Some late 69 cars that were built in the extended 69 model year could have received transmissions that were dated for the 1970 model year (i.e. the model year in the transmission code would be a 0 instead of a 9)".

As for the DYMO tape, my guess is dealership/human error.
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« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2012, 10:32:13 AM »

Everything seems to be plausible. Again mass produced cars, not handbuilt supercars. Normally sept 69 would be 70 transmissions. As previously stated, if someone was faking a P-O-P, they would get the date right. Good luck with your find
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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2012, 12:57:37 AM »

X11 does not indicate SS 350.  X11 indicates NOT Z and NOT 396, but with style trim. My X11 is a 307 powerglide.
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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2012, 06:53:20 AM »

True
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« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2012, 07:29:07 AM »

We'd like to see some pic's if you bought the car.

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« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2012, 07:59:42 AM »

how does the rest of the information from the POP and now the Cowl Tag correspond with the car?

babaron,

 Huh...PS, PB, PDB, Glacier Blue, Dark Blue Standard Buckets, 350 SB, etc....
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« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2012, 08:49:52 AM »

X11 does not indicate SS 350.  X11 indicates NOT Z and NOT 396, but with style trim. My X11 is a 307 powerglide.

My point is that it INCLUDES SS 350, which corresponds to the L48 on the POP. http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#XnnCodes

Correction... Not TR but 716 - Dark Blue Custom Bucket
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« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2012, 12:47:17 PM »

As you fellas might recall from the 'gas tank' codes, it was noted taht the late 69 production had '70' dates on the tanks. as well....   I've a late 09C production Z28/RS and there are are few things, like the gas tank code and the 'dripper' valve covers on the engine, etc..  which lead me to believe that the late 69's got iitems intended for 70 my production when it was expedient...
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« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2012, 06:50:51 PM »

It matches the trim tag exactly. The only things I noticed that weren't correct are the front air dam but no rear spoiler (no D80 on tag but I know that it doesn't always show up on the tag) and the restorer put a GM sticker on door jam but shouldn't have.

I still can't understand how a dealer employee could accept the car with an earlier than correct date on the warranty book. It would mean that he lost some warranty coverage. I'll let you know what happens after I contact the seller.
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