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« on: December 20, 2011, 11:48:31 PM »

Does anyone know where a original style kickdown cable can be purchased? All I can find are the new style, which will not allow you to use same bracket or get the vacuum line to booster back the way it should. 
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2011, 07:33:45 PM »

No repro available.......

You'll have to either switch over to the more modern kickdown cable & bracket, or try finding an original one in a auto salvage yard...which is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

Good luck.....
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2011, 07:47:06 PM »

Has anybody though or attempted to modify new to fit old?
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2012, 10:55:59 AM »

Ok, I let this sit for a few days for everybody to ponder. Now the word is that there is no reproduction of this
Cable. Come on guys, if that is true then I must have stumbled on to one of the only parts for a first gen that
Is not available by OEM or aftermarket??
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2012, 09:32:15 PM »

bc,

This original style kick-down cable is not available in repro.

You're right, this is one a few parts that are not available.  For some reason, it's not being done.  If it was available in repro, it probably wouldn't fit anyway.

I had to search around for almost four years before I stumbled upon one by accident.
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2012, 09:43:02 PM »

Camaronut,
Did you consider or attempting to revamp the new to
Reproduce the old?
Would you or anybody else happen to have a good pic of the old style?
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2012, 10:17:06 PM »

Here are pictures of mine before I restored cable and bracket,
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7216.msg47570#msg47570

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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2012, 10:53:16 PM »

IZRSSS posted great engine comp pics in oct of 10 that showed a bracket for the newer style cable. This bracket was a lower profile than I have seen before. This mounting allows vac booster hose to pss threw bracket as it should.
anybody know where to find this style bracket?
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2012, 11:10:21 PM »

IZRSSS posted great engine comp pics in oct of 10 that showed a bracket for the newer style cable. This bracket was a lower profile than I have seen before. This mounting allows vac booster hose to pss threw bracket as it should.
anybody know where to find this style bracket?

PM sent...
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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2012, 08:21:59 AM »

I am currently searching for the correct trans detent cable. I don't want to mislead anyone. This is not the correct application. Simply an illustration for bc69...The correct assembly for the L48 can be found on AIM/UPC M38

Here is the same bracket in the pics below...http://www.heartbeatcitycamaro.com/store/product/17828/Camaro-Kick-down-cable-bracket-T350-69/
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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2012, 09:02:58 AM »

That's great. At the time the only or closest alternative.
But still as you stated not correct. Will keep eyes open and
keep asking. Do you have any measurements off the old cable as to length
of the cable and housing? If one had that off a OEM it wound not be that hard
to retro.
Thanks again.
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2012, 09:33:10 AM »

I need to point something out...from the information I've been able to gather, the wire tower in the pic is incorrect also. Evidently it is for a Z28 and not for of the L48. The Z tower is taller and has 2 bends, whereas the L48 only has 1. My point is, whoever had this car before me probable changed the tower to accommodate the bracket & vac hose.
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2012, 06:12:24 PM »

bc,

Boston14 posted exactly what you are looking for.

Saying that, there is another alternative..........

There are plenty of Classic Car junkyards...sorry....automotive recycling centers, that might have these morsels still within their yards........you just have to search for them on the net.

One place is that Desert Valley Auto Parts (they had a tv show) that has nothing but these old cars in stock......you just have to make it worth their while to find it for you.

Don't forget, these assemblies also existed in any Impala, Nova, etc back in the day.......

Good Luck......
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2012, 10:54:26 PM »

I have looked over the above posts and some old in conversation with Boston14 and others.
I have to question and or agree with the correctness of the left stand
as a Z or L48. I have  seen two 69 350's, one camaro and one
a 300hp from a impala, which we all know is essentially the same as the
L48, and the stand and kickdown brackets are the same.
Both have the double bend as that in his pic.
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2012, 03:48:44 PM »

I have looked over the above posts and some old in conversation with Boston14 and others.
I have to question and or agree with the correctness of the left stand
as a Z or L48. I have  seen two 69 350's, one camaro and one
a 300hp from a impala, which we all know is essentially the same as the
L48, and the stand and kickdown brackets are the same.
Both have the double bend as that in his pic.

Although the AIM isn’t specific with regards to the L48’s wire tower usage (or any other tower usage for that matter), it does appear to have pretty accurate illustrations. I decided to use this in addition to Steve Shaugers Vintage Certified ’69 L48 to make a sophisticated wild ass guess.
  
I think the pics show how my L-Tower could have been used for either the M35 or the L48. Again, this is but one guy’s opinion, but since I posed this question before with no definitive answer, I thought maybe someone would be willing to take a stand...  Roll Eyes this time...

The first pic is my tower...
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2012, 03:50:39 PM »

Steve & my stands for comparison...
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2012, 03:56:45 PM »

UPC M38 & M35...another posibility M38? Again...AIM is not specific  Huh

M35 shows the 3rd hole for a harness clip.
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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2012, 03:58:51 PM »

Another UPC M35 & UPC Z28
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2012, 06:58:38 PM »

Uh........me thinks we're going a little off the subject fellas!!! Grin
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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2012, 07:40:41 PM »

Want to hear it all. I was at first just wondering about the cable, but this kind of
discussion brings to light other variables that I hadn't thought of like the stand issue.
The pictures that you guys have been publishing are great. And speaking of is there really any difference
in the 2 pictured stands or is it just camera angle. The bend angles look to close to be actually a diff bracket.??
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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2012, 07:43:58 PM »

Uh........me thinks we're going a little off the subject fellas!!! Grin
Wow…one can only guess what might have sparked that jab Huh I have read absolutely nothing that requires the author to stay on topic. If it is a requirement please enlighten me!!! Grin

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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2012, 07:50:15 PM »

Want to hear it all. I was at first just wondering about the cable, but this kind of
discussion brings to light other variables that I hadn't thought of like the stand issue.
The pictures that you guys have been publishing are great. And speaking of is there really any difference
in the 2 pictured stands or is it just camera angle. The bend angles look to close to be actually a diff bracket.??


I'm glad you are interested. I posted a thread a while back and never got a response...for whatever reason. Unfortunately the AIM just isn't specific when it comes to stuff like this so you have to rely on experience. That's where guys like Steve come in...hopefully he can shed some light on the subject, or anyone else for that matter.

As for our towers being the same, I don't know for sure. If Steve's has the "3rd" hole I would have to say yes. The other match would be some sort of stamp which mine does not have...but if we have the same pair, the right side tower does have a mark we can use for comparison.
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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2012, 08:03:02 PM »

Here is the right-side tower with the mark / stamp I was talking about...
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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2012, 08:22:27 PM »

Well let's get off subject farther to the left, AIM M35/A25, and the need for a harness retainer hole.
The AIM shows the solenoid bracket on the carb shown here, but what all applications were the solenoid used.
But Z28/A4 shows the stand running up and back, where the M35/A14 shows this stand running up and forward.
Any reference anywhere on the diff part numbers though?


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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2012, 08:54:42 PM »

The tower for UPC M35 – A25 is part # 3959420. No part numbers given for UPC L48, M38 or Z28.
 
Z28 & M35 – Spring to tower. L48 & M38 – Spring to accelerator bracket at base of solenoid. 
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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2012, 11:04:40 PM »

Want to hear it all. I was at first just wondering about the cable, but this kind of
discussion brings to light other variables that I hadn't thought of like the stand issue.
The pictures that you guys have been publishing are great. And speaking of is there really any difference
in the 2 pictured stands or is it just camera angle. The bend angles look to close to be actually a diff bracket.??


I'm glad you are interested. I posted a thread a while back and never got a response...for whatever reason. Unfortunately the AIM just isn't specific when it comes to stuff like this so you have to rely on experience. That's where guys like Steve come in...hopefully he can shed some light on the subject, or anyone else for that matter.

As for our towers being the same, I don't know for sure. If Steve's has the "3rd" hole I would have to say yes. The other match would be some sort of stamp which mine does not have...but if we have the same pair, the right side tower does have a mark we can use for comparison.

Here are a couple of pics that may help.
Want to hear it all. I was at first just wondering about the cable, but this kind of
discussion brings to light other variables that I hadn't thought of like the stand issue.
The pictures that you guys have been publishing are great. And speaking of is there really any difference
in the 2 pictured stands or is it just camera angle. The bend angles look to close to be actually a diff bracket.??


I'm glad you are interested. I posted a thread a while back and never got a response...for whatever reason. Unfortunately the AIM just isn't specific when it comes to stuff like this so you have to rely on experience. That's where guys like Steve come in...hopefully he can shed some light on the subject, or anyone else for that matter.

As for our towers being the same, I don't know for sure. If Steve's has the "3rd" hole I would have to say yes. The other match would be some sort of stamp which mine does not have...but if we have the same pair, the right side tower does have a mark we can use for comparison.

Here are a couple of pics which may help.
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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2012, 11:20:40 PM »

Steve, Did they always use what we have been calling the old style kickdown cable,
or did they ever change. In other words can anything like the bracket Marty had pictured
earlier in this thread be used and be called original or period correct?
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« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2012, 07:22:46 AM »

Thanks for the pic Steve. I added another pic at the approximate angle of yours. I think it’s getting closer to a match. Can you please check the right tower to see if it has the “triangle” stamp shown on mine?

Thanks again!
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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2012, 08:40:23 AM »

Steve, Did they always use what we have been calling the old style kickdown cable,
or did they ever change. In other words can anything like the bracket Marty had pictured
earlier in this thread be used and be called original or period correct?

Interesting question but...AIM / UPC M38 - A9 is very specific about the Detent Control Cable & Mounting Bracket (not to be confused w/tower bracket) shown in Steve's pic. It clearly shows these two are for the L48. As for mine being period correct...highly unlikely.  Wink
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« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2012, 08:53:50 AM »

Understood on brackets. Now my question about the cable for the L48,
on M38/A9, they show 2 diff cables. Can anyone explain to me the revision note on the
3947511 cable and it's diff from the above 3947510?
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« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2012, 10:44:28 AM »

Unfortunately my cars are sealed up for the winter so I can't take specific pictures at this time. I do have about 10 hi resolution engine compartment pics I will be emailing to Marty. He will most likely post them shortly.
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« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2012, 11:00:54 AM »

Can anyone explain to me the revision note on the 3947511 cable and it's diff from the above 3947510?

Good question...maybe shots of the LM1 & L30 would shed some light.
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« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2012, 07:28:48 PM »

Folks,

I was not puncing jabs at anyone on this thread about staying on topic.........personally I'm reading some good info & pictures, and it probably would more justice as it's own thread for others that would benefit from this info......when you read TH350 Kickdown Cable, I'm thinking kickdown cable only......

Like I said...there's some good info here...it's a shame that others won't be able to find this......heck, I didn't know there was a difference on spark plug wire brackets....!!!
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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2012, 08:21:27 AM »

Point well taken.  Wink
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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2012, 11:17:32 AM »

Unfortunately my cars are sealed up for the winter so I can't take specific pictures at this time. I do have about 10 hi resolution engine compartment pics I will be emailing to Marty. He will most likely post them shortly.

Steve's Pics Here (begining w/reply #51) http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=8314.45
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« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2012, 01:27:55 PM »

  If anyone is still looking for one of these brackets, theres one listed on EBay;
         http://www.ebay.com/itm/370581663596
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« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2012, 05:51:32 PM »

Still stuck on this kickdown cable thing. I would like to try to replicate the orig. does anybody have one of the old that can feed me a few measurements?
Total length of cable and then sheath, then travel?
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