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« Reply #60 on: July 31, 2012, 11:39:44 PM »

Ah so Don maybe the DE is using the same format as the "CQ" decal in black text and black logos, red text?

The attached reproduction of the CQ is too wide and the font is wrong and spacing is wrong proportions but you get the idea, your mock up is the right size.
Oaklyss is right the font on his seems just a bit thinner then the others used in 69?
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« Reply #61 on: August 01, 2012, 08:59:00 AM »

Good to get some feedback guys.  Changing the "Keep your........" to Black is not a problem.  Can take a shot at fiddling with the font as well.

However, if the trademarks are to be Black rather than Blue then I cannot do that.  It would have to go back to my sioftware guru and it may stay on the back burner for a while as he has some other projects he's looking at right now.  If the trademarks are Blue then I can post another draft with the other two items changed.

Any additional input is welcome.
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« Reply #62 on: August 01, 2012, 07:41:24 PM »

I may have an update tomorrow.  I downloaded a new font for the “Keep your.......” script which I believe is more in line with a comment made earlier.  The font in the same “Keep your.........” script in the picture 69pace just posted above is close, but not correct.  In addition, I cropped the “Black” trademarks out of a picture posted earlier in this thread and am trying to incorporate it as well.  Stay tuned I guess.
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« Reply #63 on: August 01, 2012, 10:04:31 PM »

Don thanks for the update. Fingers crossed here.
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« Reply #64 on: August 02, 2012, 09:34:23 AM »

Here are two drafts in Blue and Black for comparison.  The font for "Keep your......" is dead on to that used on an original for a similar item.  I am not in a position to determine if Black or Blue is correct so you guys will need to confirm that.

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« Reply #65 on: August 03, 2012, 08:54:30 PM »

You are good.
Both look dead on for the font and spacing.
I guess Oaklyss is the only one with a surviving tag.
Maybe Someone has another example of an original cowl induction air cleaner decal for the L48 manual here?
I just posted a request over on Farcebook in the pace car group so maybe we will get another point of reference, But I think its black.
If it was originally blue that faded, it would still look more like a light iconic GM blue or turquoise blue IMHO.

I'll let you know if anyone posts tonight on FB.

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« Reply #66 on: August 04, 2012, 11:58:44 PM »

Don, the new sticker looks better. Are the part numbers a little fatter then original?  I used a Jewelers Loupe on mine to see the colors. On the trademarks and the large letters it does look black.
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« Reply #67 on: August 05, 2012, 10:21:56 AM »

Don, the new sticker looks better. Are the part numbers a little fatter then original?  I used a Jewelers Loupe on mine to see the colors. On the trademarks and the large letters it does look black.

Maybe its a question of BOLD vs regular font weight ? Yeah I'm satisfied that its BLACK.

Over on Facebook in the 1969 Pace Car Restoration group that has 215 members there, 18 have read the post, but I just really find it strange that none of the L-48 manual cars have a sticker left which makes me wonder if my decal chalking away and vanishing wasn't just a fluke.

Mine was just paper crumbling off back in 1982, just as my trunk jacking instructions is now turning into, and I chalked (no pun Smiley ) it up to long term storage issues.

Looks like the material used in the sticker and the ink that was used wasn't meant to last 43 years.

Since ZL2 was a mid year introduction, maybe do to that and the low volume needed of these decals, they  were manufactured in a rush by another vendor on the cheap.

Maybe JohnZ, Kurt or William can find an example in their archives?

In any event I widened the search for an example in better shape and posted yesterday over at http://camaropacecars.com and http://Yenko.net.
40 people have read at Yenko but no responses, and pacecars is a real slow forum so who knows if anyone will ever read it. Smiley
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« Reply #68 on: August 05, 2012, 10:55:50 AM »

The L48 auto ZL2 air cleaner assembly is unique in that it has the valve in the snout for the exhaust manifold pre-heat. Not reproduced and hard to find.

The 350/manual unit is somehow different than the 396-427-Z/28 unit; don't know why. Needs a side-by-side comparison.
William could it this be due tot he Rochester carb on the L48?
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« Reply #69 on: August 05, 2012, 11:11:36 AM »

I would like to see a guestimate of how many ZL2 350 4 speeds were built. 10,026 ZL2 hoods, 22,339 L48 built. 37,816 M-20 built (all models)
ZL-2 was installed on 2000 est COPO, 69 ZL-1, 3,675 Z11,  300?  Z-10.
Was availible to order on: 20,302 Z/28, 34,932 SS.
Hoods were only available starting January (except 2 ZL-1 in December).
I have only seen 1 4 speed 350 pace car.
I have never seen another factory documented 350 SS ZL-2 4 speed.
Any guesses?
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« Reply #70 on: August 05, 2012, 12:05:41 PM »

Jeff sent me and Don a pic of his survivor DG decal.
Still looking for a DE and a DF.

Can someone confirm the
ZL2 code for L34, L35, L78 Z/28 is DG 6485235
ZL2 code for L48 automatic is DF 6485234
ZL2 Air cleaner code for L48 manual is DE 6485233
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« Reply #71 on: August 05, 2012, 12:06:43 PM »

Don, can you do anything for the CO 6484584 decal?

Thanks.
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« Reply #72 on: August 05, 2012, 01:25:25 PM »

That's a great picture of the DG Brian.  I notice a number of things that are a little different than what I've been fiddling with.  The two digit alpha code is a different font again, but I have found it. The "keep your......" script is also a slightly different font although I think I have also found it.  There is also more "White space" at the bottom and top than what I was dealing with. Any chance you can get Jeff to get a measurement for us?


Don, can you do anything for the CO 6484584 decal?

Thanks.

I'm trying.  I did download the correct font for the two digit alpha code yesterday as the repro font for that is not even close.  I have the benefit of having an excellent picture of the Black CV decal (same family) and the main body text is "justified" on both the left and right sides, the repro is not.  So, yes, I am fiddling with these ones as well.  Here are a few questions which would help with the Black ones:
- What are the various two digit alpha codes, part numbers and applicable filter numbers?
- Was the printing White or Gold?

It's unfortunate this thread got sidetracked from the original Black decals to the White decals - think we can blame Brian (69pace) for that :-)  Separate threads would have been less confusing.
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« Reply #73 on: August 05, 2012, 02:19:02 PM »

Jeff sent me and Don a pic of his survivor DG decal.
Still looking for a DE and a DF.

Can someone confirm the
ZL2 code for L34, L35, L78 Z/28 is DG 6485235
ZL2 code for L48 automatic is DF 6485234
ZL2 Air cleaner code for L48 manual is DE 6485233

Its confirmed by the AIM Page ZL-2 A3. It shows the part numbers but not the letter codes.
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« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2012, 02:38:14 PM »

That's a great picture of the DG Brian.  I notice a number of things that are a little different than what I've been fiddling with.  The two digit alpha code is a different font again, but I have found it. The "keep your......" script is also a slightly different font although I think I have also found it.  There is also more "White space" at the bottom and top than what I was dealing with. Any chance you can get Jeff to get a measurement for us

Don, that DG sticker is just what we needed to see. The DE must of been exactly like it. Just change the DG to DE and the part number and we are there! thank you for all your effort.
As a bonus, you can now make a correct DG sticker as the repros are far from correct.
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