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« on: August 12, 2011, 05:56:33 PM »

See attached photo...

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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2011, 06:55:14 PM »

Paul, do you know the VIN?

12E U063
ST 68-12437 LOS 21728 BODY
TR 712 --- Paint

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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2011, 07:12:12 PM »

Paul - Thanks for posting this tag. First time I have ever seen a 3 dash special paint designation. Evidently it was only used in 68 by LOS/Fisher... Very cool!

http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#ExteriorColors

Ed & Paul - I know you guys know all about decoding, but just in case some don't...

12E - Dec 4Th Week
U063 - 19Th day of the month. 63rd body started that day.
ST - 1968 Coupe
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2011, 07:37:24 PM »

Paul, do you know the VIN?

12E U063
ST 68-12437 LOS 21728 BODY
TR 712 --- Paint

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Ed, the VIN is the photo file name...  8L322467

Paul - Thanks for posting this tag. First time I have ever seen a 3 dash special paint designation. Evidently it was only used in 68 by LOS/Fisher... Very cool!


Your welcome, Marty!

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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2011, 07:56:24 PM »

Paul, is it 124378L322467 or 123378L322467

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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2011, 08:17:57 PM »

Paul, is it 124378L322467 or 123378L322467

Ed


Ed, it appears to have been a coupe.  Not much left now.  Too bad as it appears to have been painted a "hugger orange" color as seen on the cowl and other oversprayed areas.

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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2011, 08:23:33 PM »

Paul, 6 cylinder (12337) or V8 (12437)?

And what are you talking about? A little bondo and she'll be as good as new!!

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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2011, 08:40:26 PM »

Ed - I think the 12437 on the Cowl-T corresponds with the VIN? If so it's a V8, or should I say, was...
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2011, 08:44:56 PM »

Paul, 6 cylinder (12337) or V8 (12437)?

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Duh Paul!  68-12437 on the cowl tag tells you it was a coupe...   Embarrassed

Well Ed, going by the motor mount brackets and the accelerator pedal linkage, I'm going with V8.  What do you think?

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2011, 08:47:58 PM »

Ed - I think the 12437 on the Cowl-T corresponds with the VIN? If so it's a V8, or should I say, was...

Marty, that's '67 only.  Read this...  http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#VINvsStyle

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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2011, 08:53:46 PM »

Looks like it has disc brakes.
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2011, 08:57:27 PM »

Looks like it has disc brakes.

Yes it does.  Everything is still there too!

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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2011, 09:04:30 PM »

There appears to be another subframe in the background.
It looks like a good project to me, but my wife doesn't think so Sad.
Could you find any original paint on the bottom side of the A-post areas?
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2011, 09:12:15 PM »

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going by the motor mount brackets and the accelerator pedal linkage, I'm going with V8.

That's my guess as well, but I figured if you had the full VIN you could confirm.

Not much left, but original disc brakes are worth $100 or so. The front sub frame another $100 or so.

I also see another sub frame, and a rear axle behind it. What's the code on the axle?

Is this a wrecking yard? The early model Corvair looks like it's a convertible, so there may be some parts on it the EM (Early Model) guys might be interested in.

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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2011, 09:14:08 PM »


Marty, that's '67 only.  Read this...  http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#VINvsStyle

Paul

My mistake, I was going off my own Cowl & VIN, both of which have 12437.
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2011, 09:39:06 PM »

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going by the motor mount brackets and the accelerator pedal linkage, I'm going with V8.

That's my guess as well, but I figured if you had the full VIN you could confirm.

Sorry Ed, the VIN plate is gone.  Only the partial VIN is there.  See photo below...

I also see another sub frame, and a rear axle behind it. What's the code on the axle?

The seller doesn't say anything in the listing about the rear axle.

The early model Corvair looks like it's a convertible, so there may be some parts on it the EM (Early Model) guys might be interested in.

Ed, that's a 1962 Oldsmobile F85 Cutlass convertible.
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2011, 09:46:19 PM »

From the side it looks a lot like an early Corvair!

Do you have the listing?

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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2011, 10:23:35 PM »

From the side it looks a lot like an early Corvair!

Do you have the listing?

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Yup, here's the Camaro...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200639080076&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

and here's the Cutlass...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1962-OLDSMOBILE-F85-CUTLASS-CONVERTIBLE-RARE-MODEL-/200639071247?pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item2eb705440f

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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2011, 11:12:17 PM »

The car was a Z/28 or SS based on the Muncie speedo hole and cable clip.
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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2011, 02:44:18 PM »

The car was a Z/28 or SS based on the Muncie speedo hole and cable clip.

Good eye, Jon.

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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2011, 12:33:49 AM »

Wouldn't the Dual Piston Brakes have only been on SS or Z/28?   Also in pics. shows front bracket for a console, just sayin' this seems to have been a nice optioned car.
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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2011, 08:35:32 AM »

Wouldn't the Dual Piston Brakes have only been on SS or Z/28?

Optional for SS.
http://www.camaros.org/suspen.shtml#Brakes
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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2011, 09:12:25 PM »

Yea and Milt's old 68 Tri power Dana Survivor that Kevin S currently owns is the same color... and if I am not mistaken a 67 Z painted that color has just been restored in Maryland...
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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2011, 11:37:18 PM »

>>>John,  Sooo, were the Dual Piston Brakes optional on anything other than SS and required on Z/28?
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« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2011, 02:22:02 AM »

Honestly can you do any?
More importantly
Would you be willing to do any more work to ID if this is a solid lifter LA Special Paint Car?

Just for fun what is the drivers front wheel and tire..
Maybe the firewall has visible chalk marks if wiped with windex?  or lightly scuffed?
Check the Wiper well for signs of white stripes or Black stripes.
Maybe a spring tag or shock tag exists?

AS a side note
The car appears to have been rolled.
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« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2011, 05:29:44 AM »

The top of the firewall between the elephant ears is painted black over the orange body color paint.  Typical of a car equipped with a set of Z28 stripes from the LA plant.
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« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2011, 11:33:11 AM »

Dana Chevy liked that color. Their Dana sponsored 68 SS396 drag car was also orange
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« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2012, 01:25:29 PM »

I know it seems crazy but I bought it. I envision it as a Hugger Orange 68 RS Z/28. I think most of it will just buff out.

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« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2012, 09:55:12 PM »

Those TT letters and numbers sure are crisp!
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« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2012, 12:29:05 AM »

It also has a "Muncie" hole in the firewall for the speedo cable.
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« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2012, 02:11:18 AM »

It also has a "Muncie" hole in the firewall for the speedo cable.

  As noted in reply #18 above.
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« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2012, 09:07:05 AM »

I'm in the big sandbox right now, I return Stateside in Dec. I pick it up in Jan, any details of interest anyone want confirmed?
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« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2012, 11:11:37 AM »

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email sent Bob.

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« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2012, 12:31:08 PM »

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email sent Bob.

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« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2012, 03:25:50 PM »


That Cutlass Convertible would be a nice car to restore for an Olds enthusiast.    That car would have come with a 215 ci ALUMINIUM V8 engine with 185 hp (4 bbl).  Unless I'm mistaken, you could also get either a supercharged or turbo charged version of that engine as an option?
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That Cutlass Convertible would be a nice car to restore for an Olds enthusiast.    That car would have come with a 215 ci ALUMINIUM V8 engine with 185 hp (4 bbl).  Unless I'm mistaken, you could also get either a supercharged or turbo charged version of that engine as an option?
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« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2012, 01:17:17 AM »

The sub frame appears to be later (69) than an early 68 car.
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« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2012, 04:08:09 PM »

Anyone know what size the center link is?  That would also help clue in potentially what the are was..

Interesting that car was built a week after mine.  Would there have been almost 200 cars built in a weeks time around Christmas & New Years? 



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« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2012, 11:45:14 AM »

Would there have been almost 200 cars built in a weeks time around Christmas & New Years?

Yes. Van Nuys built 512 cars per day, 256 of which were Camaros. The full week off (from Christmas to New Year's day) didn't start until the early 70's.
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« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2012, 06:20:38 PM »

Learned something new everyday.  Thanks.
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« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2012, 08:26:50 AM »

Excited to be home and looking forward to driving out next week to pick this and 2 other subframes up.
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« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2012, 11:05:34 AM »

What's the possibility that Camaro was a Z28?  With the special order paint, Muncie, disk brakes, etc..   it was more than likely a *special model* of some kind.    With that paint code, you could paint the car ANY COLOR you want, and it would be *correct* for judging purposes..  Smiley

Are you going to restore it?  a few body panels..  it would be good as new.  Smiley

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« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2012, 12:45:53 PM »

What's the possibility that Camaro was a Z28?  With the special order paint, Muncie, disk brakes, etc..   it was more than likely a *special model* of some kind.    With that paint code, you could paint the car ANY COLOR you want, and it would be *correct* for judging purposes..  Smiley

Are you going to restore it?  a few body panels..  it would be good as new.  Smiley

I thought I'd try to buff it out first. Smiley   Yes, at one point I think it was a very cool car.  I am going to try to identify what the "special" paint was.



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« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2012, 04:17:49 PM »

Great story Bob. Make sure you keep us updated. Smiley
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« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2012, 08:59:33 PM »

In looking at those photos, I noticed that the driver side engine mount has one of the attaching bolts coming up from the bottom (with the nut on top);  I recently found that same bolt on my car in the same cirection (opposed to all the others);  Is that the way all the cars were for some reason, OR does it just mean if  the bolt was ever removed, it was easier for the owner/mechanic to reinsert if in that direction???

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« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2013, 07:21:19 AM »

After a week delay, I'm finally here.
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« Reply #46 on: September 04, 2013, 10:48:44 PM »

Hmm, maybe it was one of these. Same trim tag.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-RARE-1968-CAMARO-Z28-WITH-TANGERINE-ORANGE-AND-STRIPE-DELETE-/281160200929?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item41767432e1&vxp=mtr#ht_1210wt_1064
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« Reply #47 on: September 05, 2013, 12:55:57 AM »

I think you're right, Bob.  Tangerine Orange looks like the correct color.   Smiley

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« Reply #48 on: September 05, 2013, 06:51:06 AM »

From what i find, that color was not available for other Chevy models that year? I wonder where it came from and why. Also, the eBay car is a Norwood, and mine is LOS built 8 months apart.
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« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2013, 08:54:29 PM »

I thought the orange from the factory was from the GM truck fleet line .?.  It's that what Dana used?
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« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2013, 08:11:45 AM »

wow put that with the 67 Orange no stripe Z28 that was restored (albeit with stripes) a couple of years ago... what a pair!
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« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2013, 01:33:10 PM »

I thought the orange from the factory was from the GM truck fleet line .?.  It's that what Dana used?
Thanks for the lead- it lead to finding this link:

http://corvettes-musclecars.com/Supercars/68Dana

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« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2013, 07:38:10 PM »

This is the one Lucas Restorations did- as far as I remember they never found any remnants of stripes.

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« Reply #53 on: September 18, 2014, 07:41:12 PM »

I thought the orange from the factory was from the GM truck fleet line .?.  It's that what Dana used?
Thanks for the lead- it lead to finding this link:

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Has the NCRS package been requested on this car?
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« Reply #54 on: September 24, 2014, 11:51:21 PM »

Do I see a rally green ralley sport z28 in the making?
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