LOS Special Paint Cowl Tag

[1968RSZ28]

See attached photo...

Paul

[bertfam]

Paul, do you know the VIN?

12E U063
ST 68-12437 LOS 21728 BODY
TR 712 --- Paint

Ed

[IZRSSS]

Paul - Thanks for posting this tag. First time I have ever seen a 3 dash special paint designation. Evidently it was only used in 68 by LOS/Fisher... Very cool!

http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#ExteriorColors

Ed & Paul - I know you guys know all about decoding, but just in case some don't...

12E - Dec 4Th Week
U063 - 19Th day of the month. 63rd body started that day.
ST - 1968 Coupe
TR - Standard Buckets

[1968RSZ28]

Paul, do you know the VIN?

12E U063
ST 68-12437 LOS 21728 BODY
TR 712 --- Paint

Ed

Ed, the VIN is the photo file name...  8L322467

Paul - Thanks for posting this tag. First time I have ever seen a 3 dash special paint designation. Evidently it was only used in 68 by LOS/Fisher... Very cool!

Your welcome, Marty!

Paul  

[bertfam]

Paul, is it 124378L322467 or 123378L322467

Ed

[1968RSZ28]

Paul, is it 124378L322467 or 123378L322467

Ed

Ed, it appears to have been a coupe.  Not much left now.  Too bad as it appears to have been painted a "hugger orange" color as seen on the cowl and other oversprayed areas.

Paul

[bertfam]

Paul, 6 cylinder (12337) or V8 (12437)?

And what are you talking about? A little bondo and she'll be as good as new!!

Ed

[IZRSSS]

Ed - I think the 12437 on the Cowl-T corresponds with the VIN? If so it's a V8, or should I say, was...

[1968RSZ28]

Paul, 6 cylinder (12337) or V8 (12437)?

Ed

Duh Paul!  68-12437 on the cowl tag tells you it was a coupe...   

Well Ed, going by the motor mount brackets and the accelerator pedal linkage, I'm going with V8.  What do you think?

Paul

[1968RSZ28]

Ed - I think the 12437 on the Cowl-T corresponds with the VIN? If so it's a V8, or should I say, was...

Marty, that's '67 only.  Read this...  http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#VINvsStyle

Paul

[Gramps69Z]

Looks like it has disc brakes.

[1968RSZ28]

Looks like it has disc brakes.

Yes it does.  Everything is still there too!

Paul

[OG69Z]

There appears to be another subframe in the background.
It looks like a good project to me, but my wife doesn't think so .
Could you find any original paint on the bottom side of the A-post areas?
Bob

[bertfam]

going by the motor mount brackets and the accelerator pedal linkage, I'm going with V8.

That's my guess as well, but I figured if you had the full VIN you could confirm.

Not much left, but original disc brakes are worth $100 or so. The front sub frame another $100 or so.

I also see another sub frame, and a rear axle behind it. What's the code on the axle?

Is this a wrecking yard? The early model Corvair looks like it's a convertible, so there may be some parts on it the EM (Early Model) guys might be interested in.

Ed

[IZRSSS]

Marty, that's '67 only.  Read this...  http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#VINvsStyle

Paul

My mistake, I was going off my own Cowl & VIN, both of which have 12437.

[1968RSZ28]

going by the motor mount brackets and the accelerator pedal linkage, I'm going with V8.

That's my guess as well, but I figured if you had the full VIN you could confirm.

Sorry Ed, the VIN plate is gone.  Only the partial VIN is there.  See photo below...

I also see another sub frame, and a rear axle behind it. What's the code on the axle?

The seller doesn't say anything in the listing about the rear axle.

The early model Corvair looks like it's a convertible, so there may be some parts on it the EM (Early Model) guys might be interested in.

Ed, that's a 1962 Oldsmobile F85 Cutlass convertible.

[bertfam]

From the side it looks a lot like an early Corvair!

Do you have the listing?

Ed

[1968RSZ28]

From the side it looks a lot like an early Corvair!

Do you have the listing?

Ed

Yup, here's the Camaro...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200639080076&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

and here's the Cutlass...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1962-OLDSMOBILE-F85-CUTLASS-CONVERTIBLE-RARE-MODEL-/200639071247?pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item2eb705440f

Paul

[Jon Mello]

The car was a Z/28 or SS based on the Muncie speedo hole and cable clip.

[1968RSZ28]

The car was a Z/28 or SS based on the Muncie speedo hole and cable clip.

Good eye, Jon.

Paul

[MyRed67]

Wouldn't the Dual Piston Brakes have only been on SS or Z/28?   Also in pics. shows front bracket for a console, just sayin' this seems to have been a nice optioned car.

[Gramps69Z]

Wouldn't the Dual Piston Brakes have only been on SS or Z/28?

Optional for SS.
http://www.camaros.org/suspen.shtml#Brakes

[firstgenaddict]

Yea and Milt's old 68 Tri power Dana Survivor that Kevin S currently owns is the same color... and if I am not mistaken a 67 Z painted that color has just been restored in Maryland...

[MyRed67]

>>>John,  Sooo, were the Dual Piston Brakes optional on anything other than SS and required on Z/28?

[firstgenaddict]

Honestly can you do any?
More importantly
Would you be willing to do any more work to ID if this is a solid lifter LA Special Paint Car?

Just for fun what is the drivers front wheel and tire..
Maybe the firewall has visible chalk marks if wiped with windex?  or lightly scuffed?
Check the Wiper well for signs of white stripes or Black stripes.
Maybe a spring tag or shock tag exists?

AS a side note
The car appears to have been rolled.

[Mark]

The top of the firewall between the elephant ears is painted black over the orange body color paint.  Typical of a car equipped with a set of Z28 stripes from the LA plant.

[JoeC]

Dana Chevy liked that color. Their Dana sponsored 68 SS396 drag car was also orange

[68 RS/SS Ragtop]

I know it seems crazy but I bought it. I envision it as a Hugger Orange 68 RS Z/28. I think most of it will just buff out.

[vtfb68]

Those TT letters and numbers sure are crisp!

[Fred Mertz]

It also has a "Muncie" hole in the firewall for the speedo cable.

[Jon Mello]

It also has a "Muncie" hole in the firewall for the speedo cable.

  As noted in reply #18 above.

[68 RS/SS Ragtop]

I'm in the big sandbox right now, I return Stateside in Dec. I pick it up in Jan, any details of interest anyone want confirmed?

[bertfam]

  I pick it up in Jan, any details of interest anyone want confirmed?

email sent Bob.

Ed

[68 RS/SS Ragtop]

  I pick it up in Jan, any details of interest anyone want confirmed?

email sent Bob.

Ed

email replied Ed.

Bob

[69Z28-RS]

From the side it looks a lot like an early Corvair!

Do you have the listing?

Ed

Yup, here's the Camaro...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200639080076&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

and here's the Cutlass...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1962-OLDSMOBILE-F85-CUTLASS-CONVERTIBLE-RARE-MODEL-/200639071247?pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item2eb705440f

Paul

That Cutlass Convertible would be a nice car to restore for an Olds enthusiast.    That car would have come with a 215 ci ALUMINIUM V8 engine with 185 hp (4 bbl).  Unless I'm mistaken, you could also get either a supercharged or turbo charged version of that engine as an option?

[68 RS/SS Ragtop]

That Cutlass Convertible would be a nice car to restore for an Olds enthusiast.    That car would have come with a 215 ci ALUMINIUM V8 engine with 185 hp (4 bbl).  Unless I'm mistaken, you could also get either a supercharged or turbo charged version of that engine as an option?
[/quote]

Agreed on the COOL car factor. Not hooked in to the Olds scene though. If it's still there, I'll reprt back.

[67rs/ss396]

The sub frame appears to be later (69) than an early 68 car.

[cook_dw]

Anyone know what size the center link is?  That would also help clue in potentially what the are was..

Interesting that car was built a week after mine.  Would there have been almost 200 cars built in a weeks time around Christmas & New Years? 

[JohnZ]

Would there have been almost 200 cars built in a weeks time around Christmas & New Years?

Yes. Van Nuys built 512 cars per day, 256 of which were Camaros. The full week off (from Christmas to New Year's day) didn't start until the early 70's.

[cook_dw]

Learned something new everyday.  Thanks.

[68 RS/SS Ragtop]

Excited to be home and looking forward to driving out next week to pick this and 2 other subframes up.

[69Z28-RS]

What's the possibility that Camaro was a Z28?  With the special order paint, Muncie, disk brakes, etc..   it was more than likely a *special model* of some kind.    With that paint code, you could paint the car ANY COLOR you want, and it would be *correct* for judging purposes.. 

Are you going to restore it?  a few body panels..  it would be good as new. 

Gary

[68 RS/SS Ragtop]

What's the possibility that Camaro was a Z28?  With the special order paint, Muncie, disk brakes, etc..   it was more than likely a *special model* of some kind.    With that paint code, you could paint the car ANY COLOR you want, and it would be *correct* for judging purposes.. 

Are you going to restore it?  a few body panels..  it would be good as new. 

I thought I'd try to buff it out first.    Yes, at one point I think it was a very cool car.  I am going to try to identify what the "special" paint was.



Gary

[HOT3O2]

Great story Bob. Make sure you keep us updated.

[69Z28-RS]

In looking at those photos, I noticed that the driver side engine mount has one of the attaching bolts coming up from the bottom (with the nut on top);  I recently found that same bolt on my car in the same cirection (opposed to all the others);  Is that the way all the cars were for some reason, OR does it just mean if  the bolt was ever removed, it was easier for the owner/mechanic to reinsert if in that direction???

Gary

[68 RS/SS Ragtop]

After a week delay, I'm finally here.

[68 RS/SS Ragtop]

Hmm, maybe it was one of these. Same trim tag.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-RARE-1968-CAMARO-Z28-WITH-TANGERINE-ORANGE-AND-STRIPE-DELETE-/281160200929?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item41767432e1&vxp=mtr#ht_1210wt_1064

[1968RSZ28]

I think you're right, Bob.  Tangerine Orange looks like the correct color.   

Paul

[68 RS/SS Ragtop]

From what i find, that color was not available for other Chevy models that year? I wonder where it came from and why. Also, the eBay car is a Norwood, and mine is LOS built 8 months apart.

[cook_dw]

I thought the orange from the factory was from the GM truck fleet line .?.  It's that what Dana used?

[firstgenaddict]

wow put that with the 67 Orange no stripe Z28 that was restored (albeit with stripes) a couple of years ago... what a pair!

[68 RS/SS Ragtop]

I thought the orange from the factory was from the GM truck fleet line .?.  It's that what Dana used?

Thanks for the lead- it lead to finding this link:

http://corvettes-musclecars.com/Supercars/68Dana

[firstgenaddict]

This is the one Lucas Restorations did- as far as I remember they never found any remnants of stripes.

[firstgenaddict]

I thought the orange from the factory was from the GM truck fleet line .?.  It's that what Dana used?

Thanks for the lead- it lead to finding this link:

http://corvettes-musclecars.com/Supercars/68Dana

Has the NCRS package been requested on this car?
If so where was the car delivered?

[Classic Gary]

Do I see a rally green ralley sport z28 in the making?

[68 RS/SS Ragtop]

Every time this one pops up, it makes me want to resurrect the one I got. Really cool color, really cool car.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z-28-1968-camaro-z-28-z-28-302-v-8-4-speed-muncie-m-21-manual-custom-paint-/311187009329?forcerrptr=true&hash=item487430ef31&item=311187009329&pt=US_Cars_Trucks#ht_41399wt_1107

Funny how a 3 Owner car now becomes a 1 owner car.

Here's the listing from ebay a little more than a year ago when it was a 2 owner car- $50,000.

HELLO,THIS ONE OF A KIND CAR,1968 Z28 CAMARO, IS UP FOR SALE BY MY MOTHER IN LAW. MY WIFES FATHER PASSED AWAY LAST YEAR AND THIS WAS HIS PRIDE AND JOY SINCE IT WAS NEW. I AM LISTING  IT FOR HER ,SO IF ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME AND I WILL TRY TO GET ANSWERS AS FAST AS I CAN FROM HER.

FIRST OFF ,THIS IS A 2 OWNER CAR,MY FATHER IN LAW BOUGHT THIS CAR IN 1968 WITH ONLY 100 OR SO MILES ON IT.DONT KNOW THE WHOLE STORY WHY THE FIRST OWNER HAD TO SELL IT.

THIS CAR WAS APPRAISED BY JERRY MACNEISH-CAMARO HI-PO INC. ELDERSBURG MARYLAND.CERTIFIED APPRAISER ,IAAA ID#1007319906   WWW.Z28CAMARO.COM         HE IS ALSO A CERTIFIED DIAMOND JUDGE,AMERICAN CAMARO ASSOC.,TECH ADVISOR,INTER. CAMARO CLUB

SPECS :    VIN# 124378N409142

                  BUILD DATE: 04A          NOR#: 108641       TRIM CODE: 712

                  ENGINE: V0308MO ASSM DATE,18N409142 DECK,3914678 BLK,CAST C18,ORIG 302

                  TRANS: P8C21 ASSM DATE,660 CASE,18N409142,MUNCIE 4 SPD,ORIG

                  REAR AXLE: BV0321G ASSM DATE,12 BOLT,4:10 POSI,DATE B298,860NF HOUSING,ORIG

                  DOCUMENTATION: PROTECT O PLATE,WINDOW STICKER,PURCHASED NEW FROM GRABIAK CHEVY,NEW ALEXANDRIA PA

                  PAINT COND: EXCELL ORIG ,SPECIAL ORDER WITH FACTORY STRIPE DELETE,TANGERINE ORANGE

                  INT COND: EXCELL ORIG,BLACK,STANDARD BUCKET SEATS,ONE OF THE NICEST ORIG THAT IVE SEEN-JERRY

                  ENGINE BAY: VERY CLEAN AND ORIG, SURVIVOR QUALITY,MINOR MAINT ISSUES,SMOG REMOVED

                  UNDER CARRIAGE: EXCELL ORIG FLOORS,PAINTED AND TOUCHED UP,NO RUST,NEED GD CLEANING

THIS 68 CAMARO HAS BEEN CERT BY CAMARO HI PO. ACCORDING TO OUR DATA BASE AND HISTORIC CHEVY RECORDS,THIS CAR IS AN ORIG Z28 302-290 HORSE,4 SPD MUNCIE TRANS,12 BOLT REAR. THE CAMARO ,DRIVE TRAIN AND TRIM TAG ARE CERT.AS REAL AND AUTHENTIC.THE INT AND EXT. COLORS ARE CORRECT AND MATCH THE TRIM ID TAG . SUMMARY,THIS CAR FALLS INTO THE ALL ORIG SURVIVORS CATEGORY.ONLY 7,199 1968 Z28S WERE MADE MAKING IT VERY COLLECTABLE. ALL DRIVE TRAIN STAMPINGS MATCH ALL ORIG 68 STAMPINGS IN THE CAMARO DATA BASE. LOW MILEAGE Z28S ARE RARE! WHAT MAKE THIS Z28 EXT RARE IS YHE SPECIAL ORDER TANGERINE PAINT AND STRIPE DELETE. TO DATE ,I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANOTHER 1968  Z28 LIKE THIS CAR. THIS IS ONE OF A KIND X28. ORIG MILES 22220.

THIS IS PRINTED ON THE APPRAISAL REPORT.

YOU CAN GET JERRY MACNEISH CREDENTIALS FROM THE WEBSITE MENTIONED ABOVE

 

ISSUES WITH CAR PER JERRY: HOOD PAD ADDED,SMOG REMOVED,HURST SHIFTER REPLACED ORIG MUNCIE SHIFTER,RADIATOR HAS BEEN RE-CORED,UPPER RAIL IS NOT CORRECT,REPLACEMENT STARTER,SOME MINOR SPRAY TOUCH UP UNDERNEATH-NEEDS GD CLEANING,FUEL TANK NEEDS CLEANED,CAR NEEDS A GARDNER CONCOURS EXHAUST SYSTEM-DOES HAVE NEW ONE ON IT IN THE PAST YEAR-I THINK MY FATHER IN LAW USED YEAR ONE???,,LOWER REAR VALANCE MINOR DENT,TIP OF RADIO MAST IS MISSING,RIGHT SIDE RUBBER COWL AREA PLUG MISSING-STILL AVAIL FROM GM, ENGINE HOSES AND CLAMPS HAVE BEEN CHANGE

CAR DOES NEED A NEW MASTER BRAKE CYLINDER,AND HAS SOME SCRATCHES AND STONE CHIPS AND A FEW SMALL DENTS-AGAIN THIS CAR IS A SURVIVOR AND 45 YEARS OLD,BUT WELL WORTH IT AND 1 OF A KIND!!

OPTIONS: A02 TINTED WINDSHIELD,D80 SPOILER EQUIP,G80 POSI-4:10 GEARS,J52 POWER DISC BRAKES,M21 MUNCIE 4-SPD TRANS,U63 AM RADIO,Z21 TRIM GROUP,Z23 SPECIAL; INT GROUP,Z28 SPECIAL ENGINE AND EQUIP PACKAGE,1001HA SPECIAL ORDER PAINT

COMPONENT DATA: ORIG 9078 BRAKE BOOSTER DATED 89TH DAY OF 1968,HIDDEN VIN STAMP IN COWL AREA ORIG,ORIG "OD" RADIATOR DATED C,111467 DISTRIBUTOR,DATED 8B8,1100814 ALTERNATOR,DATED 8C22,VOLTAGE REG DATED 8D,FAN CLUTCH DATED 2-1-68,SIDE MIRROR 8DM17,CARB 4053 DATED 833,BUMPER JACK DATED 8C, DF WHEEL DATES,LARGE FONT LETTERS EARLY STYLE WHEELS, WINDSHIELD DATED VZ, DEC. 1967, DRIVERS DOOR,XX FEB 1968, PASS DOOR YZ OCT 1967, RIGHT SIDE 1/4 WINDOW XX FEB 1968, LEFT SIDE 1/4 WINDOW OCT 1967, REAR WINDOW LX,MAR 1968

I BELEIVE THAT MY WIFES FATHER STILL HAS THE ORIG TIRES THAT CAME WITH THE CAR.

Now Listed as $159,000:

1968 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 – The Real Deal

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This is an original, documented, one owner 1968 Camaro Z/28. How do we know it’s one owner, you ask? The original Protect-o-Plate warranty card and book are still with this car.

The VIN of this rare Camaro is 124378N409412.

The block casting number is 3914678, which authenticates the engine block as one belonging to a 302 cubic inch 290 horsepower V8 intended for a 1968 Camaro Z/28. The engine deck, as you can see in the photos, is stamped with a partial VIN stamp that reads 18N409412, verifying that this DZ 302 engine belongs in this particular 1968 Camaro Z/28.

The Muncie M21 4-speed manual transmission mated to the engine is also original to the car. Its assembly date is P8C21, it sports a “660” case, and again the partial VIN of 18N409142 is stamped into the case as well. The 12-bolt posi-traction rear end has original 4.10 gears and an assembly date code of BV0321G, a casting date of B298, and a housing number of 860NF. It, too, is original to the car.

What really sets this car apart from the pack, aside from the fact that it’s only got 22,220 original miles, is its paint. The paint code was a special order, as evidenced by the “1001HA” code on the window sticker, as well as the “- -“designation for paint on the car’s original trim tag. This special order car was ordered and painted in a special hue called “Tangerine orange.” In addition to that, it is a real factory stripe delete car, and the paint on this car is original.

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[cook_dw]

Whatever happened to this car in the original post?  Did anyone run the NCRS report on it?  Any new info?

[TangoBravo]

Very curious also here- what has become of this Camaro- could be the 68 Dana drag car?? Something tells me this one is important.
712 interior may nix the Dale Armstrong car though.

[JKZ27]

Well, this partial former car was in Frederick, MD this weekend. Cowl only. No frame or anything else. Not sure why he had it there, maybe just a conversation piece. Trim tag is no longer attached.

[68 RS/SS Ragtop]

Sorry I have not followed up on this. Yep, it was at the 2016 Nat's and I brought it as a conversation piece along with my unfinished 68 convertible. I think I did offer to sell it to one guy who passed on a great deal and story.

When I picked this up I removed the partial vin from the trunk (axle hump) and cowl as well as the TT. I did not want to be towing around a rental trailer full of partial cars for 1100 miles and have some overzealous POPO turn it into GTA. This was an eBay purchase, the owner lived in FL, the parts were in OK and everything was heading to SC. I had no title or even a bill of sale. All I had was a printout from my computer showing an eBay transaction. Call me paranoid, but I mailed the vins and TT home.

I have the cowl back to the shifter opening (Anything that showed color), the sub-frame with brakes, as well as the partial vins and TT. It proudly resides on the wall of my buddy's shop who likes to tell everyone he's storing a DANA for a friend. If there becomes a legal way to resurrect the vin plate I'd love to see this come back to life as a Safety (Tangerine) Orange Z/28, but for now it's just another internet story.