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« on: July 07, 2011, 01:05:36 PM »

Hi CRG,

my name is Steve and although I've never raced a real T/A Camaro or any other make race car for that matter due to not enough finances and only being 40 (25 at heart...lol), Trans Am racing is my passion and hobby and I'm trying to do my part in keeping it alive in the gaming community and younger generation as well by founding/co-creating two "as close to real as possible" T/A race series' (Midnight Club LosAngeles and Gran Turismo 5) and am in the process of planning probably what will be the best representation of T/A racing, Forzamotorsport 4 (upcoming XBox 360 title) in the club I am "a" leader of called the Camaro & Classic GM club. (aka...MCLA Camaro Club).  I'm in no way here trying to advertise the club, I'm just explaining who I am and what I represent.

I know, you may be thinking, forget this guy because he's just into games and not the real thing but I want to share with you my story and what I'm about before you discount my genuine passion for the "best" racing series in history in my opinion.  I am a very good driver, and am pretty sure I'd be a good racer in real life but not only can I not afford to own or race these cars which would be my dream even if it was in the "more careful" more current "historic races" but I can't even afford to own a custom car anymore due to family issues I won't go into.  Ever since I was a kid, I've been into muscle and pony cars and recently even owned a '71 Camaro 350 4 spd. which is pretty much my dream car and I had to sell it after owning it for 5 years to my Dad for financial reasons.  In fact my 3 favorite pony or muscle for that matter are the '70-'73 Camaro, the '69 Mustang and the '70 - '72 'Cuda all original Trans Am race cars in their day.  Anyway, I turned to games to satisfy my custom car/hot rod/race car/speed needs as that is my passion and I can't just live without it and I really have no other way.  The difference between why I play racing games and why some others do is that I want "as close to real of an experience as possible" so I'll put approx. 20 hours into recreating T/A cars on MCLA (Midnight Club Los Angeles) or put weeks worth of work into creating realism in mine and my "Virtual Racing Association" friend & co-owner JadeCat95's multiple game Trans Am Racing series'.  I know I'm kinda going on and on but its because I want to make sure I prove that I'm a genuine T/A racing and Pony car lover (especially the Camaro).  I will provide links to our T/A race series web pages & videos and some of the T/A cars I have recreated or created to prove what I'm saying. Cool


My question is, and again its because we want to properly represent the original T/A series and keep it known and alive among the youger generation as well, are there many pictures of the original T/A pace cars back then and if so could someone post some or guide me the right direction to find them? I've searched the internet like crazy because I don't have the money to go buying all the books I need (although I haven't tried the library yet) and all I've seen is a Javelin (can't see it all), a Camaro I think I found in this forum and now the yellow Shelby Mustang in here as well.  This latest Trans Am series in Forza 4 that we are planning allows very detailed paint jobs, engine sounds, handling and race modifications and includes the following accurate Pony Cars that if not the correct year/make are at least are close:  '69 Camaro, '70 Javelin, '70 Mercury Cougar, '68 Barracuda, '71 'Cuda, '73 Trans Am, '70 Boss Mustang, '68 Shelby Fastback Mustang, '65 Notchback mustang as well as the possibility of the under 2.0/2.5 liter class of the Porsche 911, Alfa Romeo Giulia Sedan, Datsun 510, Datsun 240Z, Toyota 2000GT and possibly more so I'm hoping to make this series as real as possible and "seriously" represent the original "real" one that deserves all the recognition and respect it can possibly get. Grin

Thank you for taking the time to read this and hopefully believe I am as passionate as I say I am and there's nothing I would rather do than to race these cars in real life.  Here are a few links to prove I am who I say I am and I along with my good friend and co-owner Jade are serious about realistically representing the best race series in history! (my forum name and Play Station name is RaceGameNut)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFBkZhEVQw4&feature=mh_lolz&list=HL1310060160
http://www.camaroclub-ta.webs.com/
http://www.mccamaroclub.com/ccta-gt5.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLyD_Rodo-E
http://www.mccamaroclub.com/eliterules.php
http://www.mccamaroclub.com/forum-if.php
 
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2011, 10:40:45 PM »

Welcome. I have not done a whole lot of collecting of pace car photos but here are a couple. The first is from the 1967 Mid-Ohio Trans-Am.
It shows a pretty much unaltered Indy Pace Car Camaro.


Photo by Dave Arnold

The second is not from a Trans-Am but from an SCCA National event at Marlboro Raceway in Maryland.

Photo by Bill Dobbins

If I run across any more, I will post them here for you.
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2011, 10:54:54 PM »

I'm fairly certain I remember a 69 Camaro with an endura bumper Cool leading the pack towards turn 2 at Laguna Seca in 1969. The picture must of come from Jon at some point. I'll see if I can find it.
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2011, 10:03:52 AM »

Thanks so much guys... any pics are greatly appreciated.   That's very interesting that they used other pace cars such as indys at times.   How often did SCCA use their own pace cars?   I've seen one Javelin pace car but not well in some original '69 T/A footage, a Camaro in an original photo and can't remember where. (probably here.. lol) and finally the Shelby convertible in the picture set that was posted here in the forum recently recently but that's it other than the two new ones in this thread.

Thanks again!  Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2011, 12:46:54 PM »

...I've seen one Javelin pace car but not well in some original '69 T/A footage, a Camaro in an original photo and can't remember where. (probably here.. lol) and finally the Shelby convertible in the picture set that was posted here in the forum recently recently but that's it other than the two new ones in this thread.

Oops, said the same thing twice...lol!  Sorry about that.  Is there any other good sites to find original Trans Am pics other than www.trans-amseries.com ?  I've been to many sites but they weren't very memorable or I would remember the names.  So far this site and the one I just mentioned are my main sources for everything Trans Am and would love more.  Hopefully this isn't too off topic because I still really badly want to find more T/A pace cars but any Trans Am pics are exciting to see and I've enjoyed every one that I could find on this forum..thanks! Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2011, 03:04:05 PM »

You might try looking through this website and see if he has any pace car photos...

http://gwadagone.fotki.com/trans-am-racing1966/
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2011, 02:07:20 PM »

Thanks again...I will! Grin
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2011, 08:51:29 AM »

In 1967 Chevy used their 396 Camaro show car to pace the Can Am race at Road America. It is called the Cherokee and is still around today.
Chevy liked to bring special cars to Road America in the 60s.

I have read that they used the 1968 Z/28 convert built for Pete Estes to pace the Can Am race in 1968 but have not been able to find a pic of it.
may have been used as Trans Am pace car

This may be one reason why the 1968 convertible Z was built

pic is the 1967 Cheerokee Camaro show car built by Chevy with weber carb 396 and plexi glass hood scoop, hood tach, and other custom items

link is Cherokee auction
http://mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0509-79381
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2011, 10:38:46 AM »

I can't make out the writing on the side of the car but at least you can tell that a '70 Mustang convertible
was the pace car for the 1970 Mid-Ohio Trans-Am race.


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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2011, 01:00:49 AM »

Sorry I haven't gotten back to anyone here lately.  I've been extremely busy with Family.  I can't tell you how much I appreciate all the Pace car pics and guidance to such an amazing collection of original Trans-Am pics.  Does seem like the pace cars are really hard to catch in the pics but I can at least see what they generally looked like.  I now own an XBox 360 and Forza motorsport 3 and due to there being pretty much as real as you can get paint job creations, I went looking for that one famous T/A car that nobody has really done an accurate enough job on paint job wise to do it justice.  I was quite shocked and amazed that there pretty much isn't one #6 or #9 '69 Penske Sunoco Camaro that anyone has taken serious time to recreate so I've done just that and have at this point about 40 hours or so already into re-creating the Mid-Ohio vinyl top version of the #6 Donohue Camaro and I'll post pics soon.  Thanks again guys for taking me seriously and helping me.  We (the club I mentioned above) are highly anticipating Forza 4 and have now learned that they are going to allow painting of headlights, removal of bumpers etc. to give a true classic race car look to those cars that apply.  I along with alot of help am going to set out as soon as the game comes out to recreate as accurate as possible the dual class Trans-Am race series that we all know and love!!! Grin
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2011, 07:28:50 AM »

I am still trying to find a pic of the 68 Z convertible pacing the 68 Can Am race.
I remember seeing the pic somewhere but can't find it.
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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2011, 11:09:18 AM »

Somehow, I missed your post Joe...sorry.  Thanks for trying but its OK, I was only hoping to see some if there were easy pics to find but if its hard work to find them, I would rather not put anyone through trying to.  The main thing is that I get the general idea of what they looked like...thanks guys!

Oh btw, I'll have to dig through those pics you gave me a link to Jon but I found another light blue first gen Cougar pace car in the actual pace lap and somewhere in one of the T/A videos I saw the first gen Javelin one a little better as well.
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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2011, 12:37:30 AM »

Glad to hear you are finding some things to help you out. Here is a shot of the '68 Daytona 24hr pace car (SS396) with actor James Garner driving and Nascar boss Bill France in the passenger seat. In 1968, the Daytona 24hr race was part of the Trans-Am race schedule. The upper body color is red, if I remember correctly, and the car does have a rear spoiler (although it is cut off in this photo). This car still exists.

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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2012, 12:32:16 AM »

Another couple of pics of the '68 Daytona pace car. It was used all season long for the various races there.



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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2012, 12:34:37 AM »

The 1969 Daytona pace car.

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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2012, 12:36:55 AM »

A short '69 pace car article.



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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2012, 02:06:18 PM »

1969 Indy pace car ad from National Speed Sport News. (Jon Mello Collection)


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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2012, 12:03:44 PM »

Interesting reference to the "Super Scoop" hood.
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2012, 09:04:12 PM »

The raised hood was always called the "Super Scoop" in Camaro advertising in '69. When the Chevelle came out in '70 with a similarly styled hood, GM used the name "Cowl Induction" for it. The cowl induction name has subsequently been used for any car using that style of hood scoop.
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« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2012, 04:44:50 PM »

Again, not relating exactly to the Trans-Am series but still, a rarely seen article in National Speed Sport News
showing the hometown celebration for Mario Andretti after he won the '69 Indy 500. (Jon Mello Collection)











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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2012, 02:56:25 PM »

Here's a picture of the Sears Point pace car for '69, a Shelby GT500, as found in the '69 Sears Point Trans-Am program. (Courtesy of Robert Lodewyk)
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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2012, 12:57:08 AM »

Jon, are your sure that picture is mine Shocked

I'm sure I would have remembered those boots Grin
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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2012, 10:33:34 AM »

It came out of the Sears Point program you loaned me, Robert. She was part of a two-page spread featuring girls seen at the track so I'd imagine you had sensory overload.
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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2012, 10:13:49 PM »

Boots???
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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2012, 11:29:45 PM »

Hi guys.  This is my first post here although I've been soaking up the info from the Trans Am section as a guest for several years.  I am a Trans Am fanatic and a Camaro lover & owner.   I also love pace cars (all models) and have found several pics of Trans Am race pace cars on the internet and in books.  I found this picture of a 1969 Camaro SS convertible pacing the October 5, 1969 running of the Mission Bell 250 Trans Am race at Riverside International Raceway in California on the Historic SCCA Pro Racing Trans-Am Series Fan Group Facebook page.  It was posted by Steve Lyman.
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« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2012, 11:36:50 PM »

I also found this picture on the Historic SCCA Pro Racing Trans-Am Series Fan Group Facebook site.  It shows a Porsche 911 Targa coming up the entrance to pit lane just before the Trans Am cars got the green flag at the July 16, 1972 Trans Am race at Road America, Wisconsin.  Steve Clifton posted it.
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« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2012, 11:51:22 PM »

Here is the picture that JoeC was asking about back in 2011.  It's the one and only 1968 Z28 convertible ever produced and it paced the first Can Am race of the season at Road America on September 1, 1968.

UPDATE: Looking back at the thread I started at camaropacecars.com about this car, I see that I corresponded with JoeC about this photo earlier this year.  The internet is a small world indeed.
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« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2012, 04:59:17 AM »

Awesome pictures guys. Thanks for posting.
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« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2012, 10:39:25 AM »

Here is a picture of the 1969 Camaro SS convertible that paced the Trans Am race at Laguna Seca Raceway, Monterey, California on August 24, 1969.  I found this picture somewhere on the internet (possibly on this site). 
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« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2012, 10:42:14 AM »

Here is a picture of the same 1969 Camaro SS convertible that paced the 1969 Trans Am race at Laguna Seca.  You can see it parked on pit lane while Mark Donohue flashes by the checkered flag.  I found this picture on page 154 of "Trans-Am: The Pony Car Wars 1966-1972" by Dave Friedman.  The last pic is a closeup of this same picture.
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« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2012, 04:26:53 PM »

Here is a picture of the 1968 Shelby Mustang GT500KR convertible that was used as the pace car for the Bryar 200 Trans Am race held on August 4, 1968 at Bryar Motorsport Speedway in Loudon, New Hampshire.  I found the picture somewhere on the internet (possibly on this forum).  I'm no Shelby expert but I would think that a yellow GT500KR convertible has got to be pretty rare.  I wonder if this car survives?
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« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2012, 01:39:16 PM »

Here are a couple of interesting items.  This first is a photo of the 1968 AMC AMX that paced the Trans Am race on July 7, 1968 at Meadowdale International Raceway, Carpentersville, Illinois.  The second is an article about how AMC used the Pace Car and 100 replica Javeilns to promote their product.  I found both pics on the internet at: http://www.planethoustonamx.com/stuff/badger-javelin.htm  Interesting to note that the car is an AMX but it says JAVELIN in big letters on the side!
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« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2012, 03:08:34 PM »

Here are a couple more interesting photos from the 1968 Trans Am race at Meadowdale.  The first one shows the row of 100 promotional Javelins that the previously posted article talks about.  The second one shows a stock AMX parked in front of the field on the grid.  Which one actually paced the race???  I found both of these photos on the Meadowdale International Raceway Preservation Association Facebook page.  They are dedicated to the memory of Meadowdale International Raceway: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Meadowdale-International-Raceway-Preservation-Association/400782870695?sk=taggednotes#!/pages/Meadowdale-International-Raceway-Preservation-Association/400782870695?sk=photos
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« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2012, 12:09:03 AM »

I may have answered my own question on which AMX actually paced the race.  When I posted the picture of the red AMX at the front of the grid in another thread I created for the Meadowdale Trans Am, CRG member MO pointed out that the car had a rumble seat.  I hadn't noticed this before so I decided to do some research and found out that the car is a 1968 Jeffords AMX-R and is the only one ever built.  More info on the car can be found in this article: http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/2009/11/01/hmn_feature7.html   
The article states that, "Jeffords convinced AMC to provide him with a pre-production Caravelle Blue 1968 AMX--its 390-cu.in. V-8 carries a December 1967 build date--sometime in December 1967 or January 1968. Jeffords then swiftly shuffled that AMX over to Dave Puhl, the customizer whose name graced Puhl's House of Kustoms in Palatine, Illinois."  This shop would have been less than 15 miles away from the racetrack!  The article also states that, "After Puhl finished it, Jeffords took the AMX-R on the road, mostly to Trans-Am races, and apparently used it as a pace car for a few of those races--at one point, the AMX-R carried the lettering "Official Car" just below the driver's and passenger's windows."  The use of the word "apparently" seems to mean that their is some doubt if the AMX-R actually paced a Trans Am race, so maybe this picture just might be the evidence needed to say that it did?  Does anyone have a picture of the actual pace lap?

In the second attached picture you can see the AMX-R behind the Trans Am Javelin.  This picture is from: http://miroldpix2.homestead.com/68transampage.html  The third picture is how the car looks today fully restored (internet picture).
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« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2012, 11:26:02 AM »

Scott, thanks for posts on several more pace cars. A video of the '69 Donnybrooke Trans-Am race, seen here, shows an AMX with a rumble seat as the pacecar. I assume it's the same car as the red one from '68 but don't know that for sure.
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« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2012, 04:44:23 PM »

That is great footage of the Donnybrooke race.  I remember seeing that for the first time as a kid on a VHS Camaro retrospective back in the 80's.  Unfortunately it doesn't contain the first 4 minutes of the original film which can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr6U4_2PgPE  The film is titled wrong on Youtube.  It should say Trans Am 1969, not 1968. 

Anyway, I don't think the AMX pacing the 1969 Donnybrooke race is the same Jeffords AMX-R that paced the 1968 Meadowdale race.  According to the Hemmings article (link posted above), Jeffords donated the AMX-R to the Brooks Stevens Museum in 1969 where it sat unaltered until it's current owner bought it in 1985.  I believe that the AMX pacing the 1969 Donnybrooke Trans Am race is a stock 1969 AMX that had the rear window removed.  If you click on the link to the first 4 minutes of film, you will notice that at 2:56 you can see the rear of the AMX.  It shows no rumble seat, just a regular trunk lid.  A few seconds later, at 3:22 in the film, someone jumps into the back and goes along for the ride on the pace lap.  The 1968-1970 AMX had no back seat but it did have a shelf in the back directly under the rear window.  If you removed the window someone could sit back there and have the top half of their body sticking out, just like it shows in the video you posted.  This is just my two cents.  Maybe someone else did make another rumble seat AMX.  I'll keep researching.
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« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2012, 07:45:21 PM »

Here is another pic of the 1969 AMX that paced the 1969 Donnybrooke Trans Am race.  Unfortunately, it does not show the back either.  It came from a thread on this web site.
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« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2012, 08:10:26 PM »

Here are some photos of the 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T convertible that paced the Trans Am race held at Donnybrooke International Speedway, Brainerd, Minnesotta on July 5, 1970.  Unfortunately I don't know where I found these pics on the internet.  I lost my list that told me this info.  If these are your photos please identify yourself for credit.
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« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2012, 08:13:06 PM »

Here is another photo of the 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T convertible that paced the 1970 Donnybrooke Trans Am race.
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« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2012, 08:13:52 PM »

Here is one more photo of the 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T convertible that paced the 1970 Donnybrooke Trans Am race.
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« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2012, 08:22:27 PM »

It seems that purple 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T convertibles were the pace cars to have during the 1970 Trans Am series.  Here is a photo of the back of the pace car for the Trans Am race at Road America, Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin held on July 19, 1970.  This car is different from the pace car at Donnybrooke by having wheel covers and the white rear stripe.  Again, I don't know where I found these pics on the internet.  I lost my list that told me this info.  If these are your photos please identify yourself for credit.
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« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2012, 08:38:38 PM »

Here is another picture of the 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T convertible that paced the 1970 Road America Trans Am race.
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« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2012, 08:42:41 PM »

Here is a picture of the 1971 Ford Mustang used as the pace car for the Trans Am race at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Lexington, Ohio on June 6, 1971.  It looks to be a convertible with the top up due to the rainy weather.  I think I found this picture somewhere on this web site.
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« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2012, 08:51:06 PM »

Here are some photos of the 1971 Chevy Corvette Roadster used as the pace car for both of the Trans Am races at Watkins Glen Grand Prix Course, Watkins Glen, New York on August 15, 1971.  Again, I don't know where I found these pics on the internet.  I lost my list that told me this info.  If these are your photos please identify yourself for credit.
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« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2012, 10:31:32 PM »

Great research, posts and links SMKZ28. I'm glad that my observation helped you. That's a neat picture of the AMX-R. I have always liked that car.
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« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2012, 10:48:43 PM »

Here is a photo of the 1968 Mercury Cougar paceing the field during the pace lap of the Lime Rock 3-Hour race Trans Am race at Lime Rock Park, Lime Rock, Connecticut on May 30, 1968.  The photo came from this site: http://public.fotki.com/gwadagone/trans-am-racing1966/
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« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2012, 10:51:37 PM »

Great research, posts and links SMKZ28. I'm glad that my observation helped you. That's a neat picture of the AMX-R. I have always liked that car.

Thanks MO.  I live for this kind of stuff.
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« Reply #47 on: December 14, 2012, 09:36:28 AM »

Great additions, Scott. Thanks for posting them.
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« Reply #48 on: December 14, 2012, 05:51:26 PM »

Here is a picture of the 1970 Chevy Corvette roadster that paced the Trans Am race at Laguna Seca Raceway, Monterey, California on April 19, 1970.  I found this picture on this forum.
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« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2012, 12:09:49 PM »

While this is not a Trans Am race the attached photo shows the same 1968 Jeffords AMX-R that either paced the 1968 Trans Am race or was part of the pace lap along with the white 1968 AMX shown in the earlier posts.  This picture shows the car pacing the Formula B cars at Road America, Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin on July 20, 1969.  This was a support race for the Formula 5000 Continental Championship, so it probably paced the three separate heats that were run for those cars as well.  I found it on page 67 of my book on the history of Road America entitled, "Road America: Celebrating 50 Years of Road Racing" by Tom Schultz.  You can see a flagman in the rumble seat in the yellow shirt.  Since the Hemmings article about this car in an earlier post states that Jeffords donated the AMX-R to the Brooks Stevens Museum in 1969, it must have been sometime after July 20th.  This also proves that this car did not pace the 1969 Donnybrooke Trans Am race on July 6, 1969 since it still looks the same as it did in 1968 and that Trans Am race was only 2 weeks before the pictured race took place.   
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« Reply #50 on: December 17, 2012, 12:19:50 PM »

The 1967 Riverside 250 Trans-Am pace car had a red & silver paint job to match the Bud Moore Cougars.
I'm not sure what engine was in it. Here the pace car can be spotted above the hood of David Pearson's Cougar.
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« Reply #51 on: December 17, 2012, 01:54:56 PM »

Cool photo Jon, I had not seen that one before.
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« Reply #52 on: December 17, 2012, 04:48:01 PM »

The next three posts contain pictures of the Dover White 1969 Chevy Camaro SS 396/RS convertible that was apparently used to pace the Wolverine Trans Am race at Michigan International Speedway, Irish Hills, Michigan on May 11, 1969.  You can see that the top is up because it was such a cold and rainy day.  I say apparently because this is one of the ten 1969 Camaros purchased by Nascar to be used for pacing duties during Nascar events and the photo doesn't actually show it on the first lap.  I found the picture in an article in the June 2000 edition of Mustang Monthly Magazine and it is entitled, "Racing Legends: Jones and Follmer Speak Up and Out." I used my digital camera because my scanner isn't working.

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« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2012, 05:00:02 PM »

Here is a closeup of the Camaro from the previous picture.
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« Reply #54 on: December 17, 2012, 05:02:59 PM »

This picture shows the car in the two previous posts.  It is from an article entitled, "1969 Camaro Pace Cars" which appeared in the January/February 1992 edition of Muscle Cars of the 60s/70s.  The caption that appeared next to it states, "Michigan International Speedway was a new facility in 1969.  Located about 55 miles west of Detroit, the super speedway used a white 396 powered Camaro as its pace car for one or more events, including the Motor State 500 on June 15 of that year."  I think this picture might prove that the car was also used to pace the Trans Am race more than a month before the Nascar event in June! 

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« Reply #55 on: December 18, 2012, 12:08:24 AM »

They also must have used the Camaro in the previous 3 posts to pace the Can Am race at Michigan International Speedway on September 28, 1969.  Here is a picture of the podium finishers riding along in the Camaro.  You can see Bruce McLaren (1st), Denny Hulme (2nd), Dan Gurney (3rd) and Sterling Moss.  The picture is part of the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford and can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=118566&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb
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« Reply #56 on: December 18, 2012, 12:17:09 AM »

Here is the Michigan International Speedway 1969 Camaro SS/RS pace car again during the Can Am race mentioned above.  You can see it parked across from pit lane.  See a clearer picture of it here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=118481&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb  Just click on the picture to magnify it.
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« Reply #57 on: December 18, 2012, 12:20:41 AM »

Here is the Camaro mentioned in the previous posts again during the Can Am race.  See it here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=118478&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb
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« Reply #58 on: December 18, 2012, 12:24:49 AM »

Here you can see the Camaro after the Can Am race finished parked right next to where the winning McLaren is being pushed into the winners circle.  You can see it here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=118455&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb
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« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2012, 01:34:55 AM »

Here is the Michigan 1969 Camaro pace car again in a picture taken by Dave Friedman during the 1969 Wolverine Trans Am.  You can see it parked between pit lane and the race track.  See a larger and clearer version here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=178890&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb
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« Reply #60 on: December 18, 2012, 01:40:03 AM »

Here is the Michigan 1969 Camaro pace car again in a picture taken by Dave Friedman during the 1969 Wolverine Trans Am.  You can see it on pit lane in front of the Trans Am cars.  You can see a larger and clearer version here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=178877&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb   Just click on the picture to make it larger.
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« Reply #61 on: December 18, 2012, 01:44:03 AM »

Here is the Michigan 1969 Camaro pace car again in a picture taken by Dave Friedman during the 1969 Wolverine Trans Am.  You can see it coming down pit lane as it begins the pace lap.  Interesting to see that the top was down.  You can see a larger and clearer version here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=178876&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb
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« Reply #62 on: December 18, 2012, 09:51:33 AM »

Thanks for all the recent additions, Scott.
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« Reply #63 on: December 19, 2012, 12:00:05 AM »

Here is a second picture showing the 1967 Camaro SS/RS convertible (Indy Pace Car look alike) that paced the Trans Am race at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Lexington, Ohio on June 11, 1967.  I say look alike because many of the experts on camaropacecars.com believe that this isn't an Indy pace car replica.  Much discussion has taken place about the darker appearance of the nose stripe, and they believe that it appears too dark in the pictures for it to be a blue nose stripe.  They also believe that the door decal is not located on the door in the same place as Indy pace car replicas.  They have come to the conclusion that the same door decal, minus the Indy 500 date, was attached to a regular 1967 Camaro SS/RS convertible with a black nose stripe.  If anyone has a color picture we can solve the mystery.  Nevertheless, it's still cool to see the car pacing the Trans Am race.  The picture was taken by Dave Friedman and is part of the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford.  A larger and clearer version can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=119234&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb   Click on the picture to magnify it. 

The other picture of this car was posted by Jon Mello in the 1st reply of this thread.
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« Reply #64 on: December 19, 2012, 12:13:16 AM »

Here is a picture of the 1971 AMC Javelin AMX that paced the Trans Am race at the Mission Bell 200, Riverside International Raceway, Riverside, California on October 3, 1971.  I found it on page 227 of "Trans-Am: The Pony Car Wars 1966-1972," by Dave Friedman.  I took a picture of the photo with my digital camera.
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« Reply #65 on: December 19, 2012, 12:16:32 AM »

This is a zoom-in on the pace car from the previous picture of the 1971 AMC Javelin AMX that paced the Trans Am race at the Mission Bell 200, Riverside International Raceway, Riverside, California on October 3, 1971.
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« Reply #66 on: December 19, 2012, 12:24:09 AM »

I was able to find the full sized photo where you can see the entire 1971 Javelin AMX pace car for the 1971 Riverside Trans Am race in the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford.  See a larger and clearer version here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=141278&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb   Click on the picture to magnify it.
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« Reply #67 on: December 19, 2012, 10:43:43 PM »

Here is another photograph of the back of the 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T convertible pace car for the Trans Am race at Road America, Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin held on July 19, 1970.  You can see it braking for turn 6 just under the Corvette bridge.  It's the same car that you can see in Reply 40 and Reply 41 in this thread.  Pete Lyons took this photo and you can see a larger version here: http://petelyons.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Trans-Am-5-0-cars/G0000i_yvoIZNNlw/I00008uY9dPXf9mQ/C0000wtshQuLzdyY
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« Reply #68 on: December 19, 2012, 10:52:01 PM »

Here are two more pictures of the 1971 Ford Mustang convertible used as the pace car for the Trans Am race at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Lexington, Ohio on June 6, 1971.  This time it's pacing the U2 Trans Am race cars and its sunny and the top is down.  

The first picture was taken by Pete Lyons and a larger version can be seen here: http://petelyons.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/U2-Trans-Am-small-cars/G00008Eo.rrqHP.I/I0000cBXm0rPKVdk/C0000wtshQuLzdyY

The second picture also shows the car during a pace lap.  I cut this picture out of a Vintage Motorsports Magazine several years ago and put it in my pace car scrapbook.  The caption says, "Cameraman Mark Zavad takes up a precarious position in the pace car for the filming of a segment of ABC TV's Once Upon a Wheel."  This was a 1971 documentary on racing hosted by Paul Newman.  Part 1 can be seen on youtube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2dIEXTozbY
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« Reply #69 on: January 08, 2013, 04:24:30 PM »

Here are a couple of pictures of the 1968 or 1969 American Motors AMX that paced the Mission Bell 250 at Riverside International Raceway, Riverside, California on September 8, 1968.  The pictures were taken by Dave Friedman and they are a part of the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford. 

A larger and clearer version of the first picture can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=122830&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb    Click on the picture to magnify.

A larger and clearer version of the second picture can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=122874&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb  Click on pictures to magnify. 

They are mismarked "1969" on the website but they are clearly from the 1968 season.
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« Reply #70 on: January 08, 2013, 11:23:26 PM »

Here is another photo of the 1971 Chevy Corvette Roadster used as the pace car for both of the Trans Am races at Watkins Glen Grand Prix Course, Watkins Glen, New York on August 15, 1971.  (3 more photos of the pace car can be seen in post #43 of this thread)  The photo appears in the program for the 1972 Watkins Glen Trans Am/F-5000 race weekend.  It was posted on page 62 of the "Trans Am Alfas" thread on the Alfa Bulletin Board by KENGTA: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/picture-room/17978-alfas-trans-am-62.html
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« Reply #71 on: January 09, 2013, 01:02:26 AM »

While searching through the Ohio Valley Region of the SCCA's historical photo gallery I came across this shot of a 1968 Camaro SS/RS convertible pacing the 1968 Mid-Ohio Trans Am race, Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Lexington, Ohio on June 16, 1968.  A larger version can be seen here: http://gallery.ovr-scca.org/?Dir=%2FHistorical%2FWheel+2+Wheel+Racing&Image=SLD7%5F012%2Ejpg&Page=20

The second picture shows the same car pacing the start of the USRRC (United States Road Racing Championship) Race at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course on August 18, 1968. This was the last race of the series and it was won by Mark Donohue in his Penske McLaren M6A Chevy. Starting 2nd on the grid, this win sealed the Championship for Donohue.  The picture was taken by Jim Hayes and can be found at his web site: http://www.jimhayes.com/Archives/MidOhio68/MidOhio68-Pages/Image15.html
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« Reply #72 on: January 09, 2013, 09:29:18 AM »

smkz28, thanks for the pics of the 68 camaro pace car at mid-ohio. the link also has a lot of other neat shots from other trans-am & can-am races. bit mixed up, so one has to scroll through them.

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« Reply #73 on: January 09, 2013, 09:35:43 AM »

smkz28, thanks for the pics of the 68 camaro pace car at mid-ohio. the link also has a lot of other neat shots from other trans-am & can-am races. bit mixed up, so one has to scroll through them.

   mike in canada

Your welcome Mike.  Those were pretty neat pics.  I posted a link to the site in the thread entitled, "Websites that might be of interest to us."  For those who didn't see that post, many pics of Trans Am, A/Sedan, and other races from the 60s - 80's at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course are available at the Ohio Valley Region of the SCCA picture gallery:  http://gallery.ovr-scca.org/?Dir=%2FHistorical/Wheel+2+Wheel+Racing
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« Reply #74 on: January 09, 2013, 10:39:38 PM »

Here is a picture showing a little bit of the 1969 Camaro SS convertible that was used to pace the 1969 Glen 500 Trans Am race, Watkins Glen Grand Prix Course, Watkins Glen, New York on August 10, 1969.  It looks to be the same car that paced the 1969 US Grand Prix F1 race at the same track two months later on October 5, 1969, but according to the info posted about the car when it was auctioned off in 2011, the US Grand Prix Camaro pace car was built in September. Either there were two identical cars or someone is wrong.  The first picture is from the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford.  A larger and clearer version can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=178383&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb  Click on picture to magnify.

The 2nd and 3rd pictures show the US Grand Prix Camaro pace car as it appeared at auction in 2011.  More info can be found here: http://mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0111-103053  It is currently for sale but there is no mention of what month the car was built: http://www.rkmotorscharlotte.com/sales/inventory/active#!/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-SS/132256/110816
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« Reply #75 on: January 10, 2013, 09:19:36 AM »

Apparantly the info listed for the car during the 2011 auction was wrong.  I emailed RK Motors, those who are currently selling the car, to find out when the car was built.  I received a response from  Joseph M. Carroll, President & C.E.O. of RK Motors, LLC stating that the car was a special ordered car built in July.  This makes sense chronologically because in addition to the car appearing in front of the Trans Am grid in August, I also found a picture that shows the car in front of the race cars on the grid for the World Sports Car Championship 6 hour race on July 12, 1969 and a picture of the car driving down pit lane after pacing the Can Am race cars the very next day on July 13, 1969.  Mystery solved!

Both pictures are from the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford.  A larger and clearer version of the first picture (6 hour) can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=177531&ckon=thumb  Click on the picture to magnify.

A larger and clearer version of the second picture (Can Am) can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=177787&ckon=thumb  Click on the picture to magnify.

Here is the link to RK Motors: http://www.rkmotorscharlotte.com/sales/inventory/active#!/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-SS/132256/110635.  Not sure why it won't go directly to the car, but if you search for "Watkins Glen Camaro" it should come up.
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« Reply #76 on: January 10, 2013, 02:44:02 PM »

Here's the link to the Watkins Glen pace car.
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« Reply #77 on: February 10, 2013, 02:36:10 PM »

A photo of the '68 Daytona 24-Hour pace car prior to getting it's full pace car paint scheme applied.



A picture of Big Bill France behind the wheel of the car.

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« Reply #78 on: February 11, 2013, 02:56:29 PM »

Great photos Jon.  I noticed that the second photo was in the program for the 1968 Daytona 24 hours.  Where did the ad for Spence Chevy come from?  Was it a local newspaper?
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« Reply #79 on: February 11, 2013, 10:56:27 PM »

Thanks, Scott. The Spence Chevrolet ad came from the 1968 Firecracker 400/Paul Revere 250 program and map of the 3.81 mile Daytona course came from that program as well. Everything else came from the 24-Hour program.
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« Reply #80 on: February 15, 2013, 05:36:20 PM »

In this photo you can just see the back of the light blue 1968 Mercury Cougar that paced the field during the Lime Rock 3-Hour Trans Am race at Lime Rock Park, Lime Rock, Connecticut on May 30, 1968.   Don Feeley posted it on the Historic SCCA Pro Racing Trans-Am Series Fan Group Facebook page: http://www.hs.facebook.com/media/set/?set=o.109038482465812&page=1.   To see a picture of the whole car pacing the field, see my post on the 4th page of this thread.
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« Reply #81 on: February 15, 2013, 09:31:12 PM »

Here is a picture of the 1967 Mustang convertible that was used to pace the Continental Divide Trans Am at Continental Divide Raceways, Castle Rock, Colorado on August 27, 1967.  The picture appears on page 50 of the book entitled, "Trans Am: The Pony Car Wars, 1966-1972," by Dave Friedman and is credited to the HRM Archives, which stands for Hot Rod Magazine Archives.  I photographed the picture with my digital camera.
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« Reply #82 on: February 17, 2013, 01:27:51 PM »

Here are a couple of pictures of the 1970 Mustang convertible that pace the 1970 Trans Am race at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Lexington, Ohio on June 7, 1970.  I paused some footage of the race and took these digital pictures.  You can find the footag on Youtube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kfK2Wj1WwE&feature=youtu.be  You can see the pace lap between 0:20 and 0:57.   

Jon Mello posted a black and white picture of the same car on the first page of this thread.
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« Reply #83 on: February 18, 2013, 02:58:30 PM »

I have finally figured out what kind of pace car was used during the Schaefer Trans Am race at Lime Rock Park, Lime Rock, Connecticut on May 9, 1970.  It was a 1970 Iso Rivolta.  The car combined Italian styling with a Chevy Corvette 327 engine.  Less than 800 were made between 1962 and 1970.  According to classicandperformancecar.com, "the Rivolta was an example of the Italo-American breed that proved popular during the 1960s and ‘70s and which allowed drivers to sample Ferrari-style glamour and performance without the price. The Rivolta had all the credentials to deliver the goods: Giugiaro styling; Bizzarini chassis and a 140mph top speed from its General Motors-sourced V8. Under the skin its box-section frame with de Dion rear suspension was a recipe for success, and indeed, the Rivolta sold nearly 800 examples during its eight-year production run."

More info on the car can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iso_Rivolta_IR_300

The first picture was taken by Dave Friedman and it is part of the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford.  A larger and clearer version can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=114876&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb   Click on the picture to magnify. 

The second picture came from footage of the race found on Youtube.  I took a digital picture while it was paused.  You can see the car in the pits and on the pace lap from 3:24 to 3:50 here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYnGb4fcn9w&feature=youtu.be  The first couple of minutes shows footage from the 1972 Trans Am race at Lime Rock but then the rest of the film is from 1970.

 
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« Reply #84 on: February 24, 2013, 11:02:59 AM »

Here is a fabulous picture taken by Dave Friedman that shows a 1969 Camaro RS/SS Indy Pace Car convertible pacing the Trans Am cars during a caution period in Les Trois Heures du Circuit at Le Circuit Mont-Tremblant, St. Jovite, Quebec, Canada on August 3, 1969.  The picture is part of the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford.  A larger and clearer version can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=158732&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb   Click on the picture to magnify.

The same car also paced the Labatt's 50 Can Am race at the same track a month and a half earlier on June 15, 1969.  The second and third pictures are from the Can Am race and they are also from the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford.   Larger and clearer versions of these pictures can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=157443&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb
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The third picture shows that the decal on the door was changed by removing the "Chevrolet Camaro" from the top of the door and the "53rd Annual Indianapolis 500 Mile Race May 30, 1969" from the bottom of the door.  They kept the "Official Pace Car" in the middle of the door and added "Le Circuit Mt. Tremblent" above it.  That is Denny Hulme sitting in the car with the checkered flag.  He won the Can Am race in his Chevy powered McLaren M8B.  You can also see Stirling Moss getting in the passenger seat. He is an ex-racecar driver and he drove both the 1967 Cherokee Camaro pace car during the Can Am race at Road America in 1967 and the 1968 Camaro Z28 convertible pace car during the Can Am race at Road America in 1968. He might also have driven this car during the pace laps, although I don't have any pictoral evidence to confirm it.

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« Reply #85 on: February 24, 2013, 06:10:38 PM »

Here is a picture showing the pace lap for the last race of the 1970 Trans Am season.  The picture shows that a 1971 AMC javelin was used to pace the Mission Bell 200 at Riverside International Raceway, Riverside, California on October 4, 1970.  Interestingly, the car looks like it was just a Javelin SST not the top of the line Javelin AMX as raced in the Trans Am.  I found the picture on a thread about the 1970 Trans Am Championship here: http://www.theroaringseason.com/showthread.php?218-1970-Trans-Am-Championship   It was posted by Steve Holmes.
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« Reply #86 on: February 25, 2013, 01:05:44 AM »

Thanks for your efforts, Scott.
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« Reply #87 on: March 02, 2013, 02:54:02 PM »

I found this picture on this website on the thread entitled, "1969 Mid-Ohio Trans-Am photos" (http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=8485.0)  It was taken by Ron Lathrop and it shows the pace lap for the Trans Am race that took place at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Lexington, Ohio on June 8, 1969.  You can barely see the back of a 1969 Mustang convertible that was used to pace the race.

The second picture shows the front of a mustang in the pits during the Can Am race held at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course a few months later on August 17, 1969.  I think they used this 1969 Mustang convertible to pace all the races held at Mid Ohio during the 1969 race season.  You can see it in the background on the right side of the picture.  People are standing all around it.  The picture was taken by Dave Friedman and is part of The Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford.  A larger and clearer version can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=118852&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb  Click on the picture to magnify.

The third picture shows Denny Hulme and Stirling Moss inside the 1969 Mustang after Denny won the race in his Chevy powered McLaren M8B.  It was also taken by Dave Friedman and is part of The Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford.  A larger and clearer version can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=118643&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb  Click on picture to magnify.
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« Reply #88 on: March 02, 2013, 03:43:49 PM »

Here are two pictures within magazine articles that show the 1968 Shelby GT500KR Mustang used to pace the Bryar 200 Trans Am race at Bryar Motorsport Speedway, Loudon, New Hampshire on August 4, 1968.  Both pictures were posted on this web site by Jon Mello.  You can see the car heading into pit lane in both pictures after releasing the Trans Am cars for the green flag at the conclusion of the pace lap.  The first picture was taken a few seconds after the second picture.

The third picture was taken by Ron Lathrop and shows the Shelby parked next to the entrance to pit lane during the race.  It appears on this website in the thread entitled, "1968 Bryar Trans-Am photos" (http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=8309.0).
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« Reply #89 on: March 02, 2013, 03:52:46 PM »

Here are two more pictures taken by Ron Lathrop at the 1968 Bryar Trans Am showing the 1968 Shelby GT500KR Mustang covnertible pace car in pit lane during the race.  They can also be seen here: http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=8309.0
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« Reply #90 on: March 02, 2013, 04:32:44 PM »

Here are two pictures of the pace lap for the Trans Am race at Donnybrooke International Speedway, Brainerd, Minnesota on July 5, 1970.  They are part of a photostream posted on flckr by "carpenterdesign," but they are mistakenly identified as Road America.  You can barely see the 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T convertible at the head of the pack.  Better pictures of this car can be seen on the third page of this thread.  See the photostream here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/46104238@N02/with/4240231019/#photo_4240231019  There are lots of other interesting Trans Am photos there.
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« Reply #91 on: March 02, 2013, 04:55:24 PM »

Here is a picture of the start of the Continental Divide Trans Am race at Continental Divide Raceways, Castle Rock, Coloroado on August 27, 1967.  It shows the 1967 Ford Mustang convertible pace car at the end of pit lane.  The picture is part of a photostream posted on flckr by "carpenterdesign."  You can see a larger version here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/46104238@N02/4402654669/in/photostream  A larger picture of the car can be seen on page 6 of this thread.
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« Reply #92 on: March 02, 2013, 05:11:30 PM »

Here is a picture of the pace lap of the Trans Am race at Donnybrooke International Speedway, Brainerd, Minnesotta on July 4, 1972.  The picture was taken by Jerry Winker and a larger version can be seen here: http://www.comicozzie.com/gallery2/v/1972/TA/72TA-1+_850+x+618_.jpg.html  The car appears to be an 1972 AMC Matador.
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« Reply #93 on: March 03, 2013, 12:12:05 PM »

To follow up on Reply #87 on page 6 of this thread, I was able to find some vintage footage of the 1969 Can Am race held at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course on August 17, 1969 that shows the 1969 Ford Mustang convertible pace car driven by Stirling Moss.  This is the same car that was used to pace the Trans Am race at Mid-Ohio a few months earlier on June 8, 1969.  See the footage here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yd-jmoM0hY  In it you can see the 1969 Mustang convertible pace car cooming through pit lane as the Can Am cars get the green flag.  See it between 0:31 and 0:37.

I took a few photos of the car as the footage was paused.
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« Reply #94 on: March 12, 2013, 02:05:51 AM »

I can't thank you guys enough for continuing to help with these pics!  You guys are sooo helpful and I don't take it lightly.  I've been so darn busy for so long now because of work and family, I haven't been able to talk on here but I'm currently not employed now so I thought I'd try to hangout with you guys again.  I was utterly amazed to see that this thread is 7 pages long now...lol!  I'm gonna take some time tomorrow and look through it all.

As far as our racing series went on Forza Motorsport 4 as mentioned in the first post, it went fairly well at first then died very quickly because I couldn't put the time into it that I wanted.  I have alot of photos and possibly a little video of the first three races.  The good news is that a friend of mine who is highly interested in Trans Am racing is teaming up with me to do one big (hopefully EPIC) replica only Trans Am race event on Road America which will include a "best replica" paint contest.  The whole purpose of this race will be to replicate as close to real as possible the real thing for video and pics purposes.  I promise at some point I will post the video here since you guys have helped me sooo much with things. ;-)

I do want to share one video with you that my friend and T/A series co-owner/creator did to showcase my crown jewel of my Trans Am paint jobs that was tranferred over to Forza Horizon on an SS model Camaro which consequently took 3rd place in one of the paint contests.  They did some great modeling of cars in Forza games but unfortunately the '69 Camaro didn't get the most accurate treatment and there really were no rims that I could use that looked like the right rims so I had to improvise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un_mpUXfayc

I also painted the nose chrome on one of my '69 Trans Ams to try to recreate Jerry Titus's #13 car but I need to perfect that paint job before I show it off. ;-)
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« Reply #95 on: March 14, 2013, 12:12:23 AM »

Thanks for checking back in and for posting a link to that car you added the Sunoco livery to. I guess I don't understand enough about that program. How can you add the lettering, decals and numbers and change wheels yet not get rid of the SS badging and other such details that are considered incorrect?
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« Reply #96 on: March 14, 2013, 03:35:42 AM »

In Forza Motorsport 4 the car is a Z28 with the right hood, badging and all for a stock Camaro including the usually not wanted vinyl top and in some cases unwanted RS trim.  This is the car that I originally created the livery for.  The next Forza game that came out is called Horizon and you are able to transfer paint work you've done from Forza 4 to Horizon.  Unfortunately in Horizon only the RS/SS model was offered hence the wrong badges and such.  All of the actual paint work you see on the car is made from scratch out of shapes.  We can do pretty much anything to a car on Forza paint wise but we're stuck with what they offer us as far as trim and the cars in general usually.  The only reason I'm showing the SS model to you is that's the game my friend decided to surprise me and feature on his youtube page.  I've got other pics of the car on Z28 just not sure if I did video.  The more I think about it though I think I might.  I'm all about accuracy especially with T/A cars but you can only work so much with.  Another great example is that I had to paint the Smokey Yunick Camaro design on a '68 Firebird if I wanted the metallic gold to look right and on the right year car.  I didn't want to but if I painted it on a Camaro it would have to be the '69 and no metallic gold.  Angry

The cool thing about this car is that I hand painted (well electronically) realistic looking hood and "optical illusion" rear trunk pins with chrome look, all the number/font is made from scratch, pinstriping and even painted the gas filler on top of the trunk and emblems again made from single shapes sized, stretched, skewed, adjusted transparency, etc.  The rims is the most frustrating situation for either of these Forza games because they actually do offer a similar wheel to the mini lites but they don't allow it to be painted in color and there's no depth to the wheel.  I'll try to find some more pics of the actual Z28 and get you a link if you still want to see it on a more accurate car model.
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« Reply #97 on: March 16, 2013, 12:25:22 AM »

I guess I had thought that since you could paint on the lettering and decals you could add blue paint over the SS emblems to essentially "erase" them. It sounds like that's not possible based on what you are telling me. Strange that you had to go to a different year and model to do an effective Smokey Yunick inspired car. Hopefully the programs will continue to improve and you can get exactly what you're looking for.
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« Reply #98 on: March 18, 2013, 02:57:50 AM »

Yeah, I'm all about accuracy and it's definitely frustrating that I don't have the right years and in some cases right models but...

when it comes to console simulators Forza 4 has got THE most selection of cars that were in the Trans Am series and for that I'm thankful.  For example, it's rival, GranTurismo 5 completely dropped the ball by offering two race pony cars, the '69 Camaro and the '70 Challenger and every other car like the Mustang is not a numbered race car and in fact cars like the early Cougar is just a plain jane car that they don't even offer the right custom rims for.  Not to mention you can't do vinyl work in the sim.  Forza 4 has over 16 of the Pony cars alone not including the under 2.0L class.  Although some of them are not 100% accurate year and model wise, they all are vinyl paintable, race modifiable, tunable etc.

I just choose to look at it that way whenever I can.  Wink
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« Reply #99 on: March 18, 2013, 03:10:42 PM »

Here are a few more pictures of the 1969 Camaro SS convertible that paced the Trans Am race at Laguna Seca Raceway, Monterey, California on August 24, 1969.  To see the other pictures of this car go to replies 28 & 29 on page 2 of this thread.

The first picture was taken by Dave Friedman in pit lane before the pace laps began. It is part of the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford. A larger and clearer version can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=111274&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb  Click on image to magnify. Unfortunately it's sideways on their site.

The second picture was taken by Dave Friedman during the race.  You can see the back half of the Camaro parked in the pit lane as the two Penske Camaros go by on the racetrack. It is on the very left of the picture. It is also part of the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford. A larger and clearer version can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=111308&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb  Click on image to magnify.

The same 1969 Camaro SS396 convertible also paced the Monterey Grand Prix for Can Am racecars at Laguna Seca a month and a half later on October 12, 1969. This race was won by Bruce McLaren in his Chevy powered McLaren M8B.

The third picture shows the Camaro pace car leading the Can Am cars as they head down the famous "Cork Screw" during the pace lap of the 1969 Monterey Grand Prix. This picture shows that the Camaro is equipped with the ZL2 cowl induction hood. It is part of the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford. A larger and clearer version can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=109317&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb  Click on the picture to magnify.

The fourth picture shows the Camaro sitting in pit lane during the 1969 Monterey Grand Prix at Laguna Seca Raceway waiting to be called on during a caution period.  It is part of the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford. A larger and clearer version can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=109693&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb  Click on image to magnify.


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« Reply #100 on: March 18, 2013, 03:22:05 PM »

Here are a few more pictures of the 1969 Camaro SS 396 convertible that was used to pace both the 1969 Trans Am race and 1969 Can Am race at Laguna Seca Raceway, Monterey, California. 

I found the first picture somewhere on the internet a few years ago.  It shows the Camaro in color pacing the Can Am cars during the pace lap of the 1969 Monterey Grand Prix.  If this is your picture let me know so I can give proper credit.

In the second picture you can see the Camaro parked in front of the Can Am grid, which included both McLarens on the front row. It is part of the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford. A larger and clearer version can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=109498&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb  Click on image to magnify.

The third picture shows the Camaro sitting in pit lane during the 1969 Monterey Grand Prix Can Am race. It is part of the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford. A larger and clearer version can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/options.pl?imageID=109694&productTypeID=62&ckon=imageThumb  Click on image to magnify.
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« Reply #101 on: March 20, 2013, 01:22:02 AM »

Thanks so much guys!  Really appreciate this.  Hopefully a lot of other people who might be curious about them is getting something from these great pics and info.  Wink
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« Reply #102 on: March 21, 2013, 02:50:46 PM »

Here is another picture showing the pace lap for the Mission Bell 200 at Riverside International Raceway, Riverside, California on October 4, 1970.  This was the last race of the 1970 season and you can see another picture of the 1971 AMC Javelin (SST?) pace car in post #85 on page 6 of this thread.  Even though the picture gives a different website, I found the picture here: http://www.boss302.com/smf/index.php?topic=56904.0  There are several other interesting pictures of the Boss 302 Mustangs that participated in the event, both factory and independent.
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« Reply #103 on: March 21, 2013, 03:39:38 PM »

Here is another picture of the 1971 Ford Mustang Convertible pacing the Trans Am race at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Lexington, Ohio on June 6, 1971.  The picture appears in the bottom right corner of the December 1971 edition of CircleTrack & Highway on page 46.  I found the picture on this website on page one of a thread entitled, "1971 Trans-Am season review."  It was posted by Jon Mello and the original picture of the full page can be seen here: http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=9705.0.  Other pictures of the car can be seen in this thread on page 3, post #42 and page 5, post #68.
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« Reply #104 on: March 23, 2013, 12:42:38 AM »

Here are a couple of pictures that show that a 1970 Corvette was used as the pace car for the Trans Am races held at Laguna Seca Raceway, Monterey, California on April 19, 1970.

The first picture shows the Corvette in the pits just as the over 2.0 liter Trans Am cars get the green flag.  I found this on the internet a few years ago so if this is your photo, please let me know and I will give you credit.

The second picture shows the Corvette going through the famous cork screw with the under 2.0 liter cars following on the pace lap.  I found this picture here: http://www.bmw2002faq.com/component/option,com_forum/Itemid,0/page,viewtopic/t,335735/highlight,/sid,857785a8732ab4862aa017fa5f52c819/

You can see another picture of the Corvette pace car in reply #48 on page four of this thread.
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« Reply #105 on: April 07, 2013, 01:08:51 PM »

This photo was posted on this thread earlier but here is a clearer photo as scanned from my 1972 Watkins Glen program.
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« Reply #106 on: April 07, 2013, 03:02:27 PM »

Great photo - looks to be my car in the outside row 10 cars back.  I can barely make out the camera mount plate.  We were dnf with engine problems.  The old 67 had finally run out of steam - was
the last race for it.

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« Reply #107 on: April 07, 2013, 03:07:59 PM »

Sorry - memory fade.  In 71 the front drive-shaft yolk exploded going down the front straight - reason for the dnf that year.  It was engine failure in 72.

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« Reply #108 on: April 07, 2013, 06:58:27 PM »

What happened when the driveshaft yoke went? Did it polevault the car or just fall out without doing much damage? Seems like many of the cars did not have driveshaft safety loops back then but maybe you guys did.
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« Reply #109 on: April 07, 2013, 09:10:33 PM »

When it let go there was a terrific explosion - it beat up the inside of the driveshaft tunnel.  Mist have had a safety loop as I coasted around the large turn at the end of the straight and came to a stop
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« Reply #110 on: April 07, 2013, 10:32:28 PM »

.. instead of a loop, might have had just the same sort of angle iron lower stop that was on the Lagod camaro.. which was based on the tunnet being the 'upper stop'..  Smiley   
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« Reply #111 on: April 07, 2013, 11:06:28 PM »

That sounds more like it as the tunnel was really beat up.

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« Reply #112 on: April 10, 2013, 03:11:48 PM »

Note that Jerry Lagod Q 19th and went out with engine trouble and I Q 20th and dnf with the driveshaft problem.

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« Reply #113 on: April 10, 2013, 04:40:51 PM »

Lady Luck was not smiling on row 10 that day.   Sad
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« Reply #114 on: April 12, 2013, 08:07:29 PM »

SMKZ28, back in post #80 you had a link to the facebook trans am site. there are a lot of cool shots there, thanks for that. there have not been any updates on that link for a while, I guess we are locked out ?

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« Reply #115 on: April 13, 2013, 04:53:12 PM »

Here are two more pictures of the 1971 Chevy Corvette roadster that was used to pace both the over 2 liter and under 2 liter Trans Am races held at Watkins Glen International Raceway, Watkins Glen, New York on August 15, 1971.  It shows the pace car in front of the under 2 liter field as they were leaving for their pace laps.  The scene is from the period movie, "Against All Odds," which is a 26 minute documentary on the Peter Brock owned Datsun BRE 1971 Trans Am U2 Championship season.  See it on Youtube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5XAP4pCRps

I took the pictures with my digital camera while the footage was paused at 13:34 in the film.
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« Reply #116 on: April 13, 2013, 04:59:22 PM »

SMKZ28, back in post #80 you had a link to the facebook trans am site. there are a lot of cool shots there, thanks for that. there have not been any updates on that link for a while, I guess we are locked out ?

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Very strange!  You are right.  Only the pictures can be seen, not the Facebook conversations, etc.  Not sure if they are still maintaining it but here is an updated link to the photos page: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=o.109038482465812&type=1
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« Reply #117 on: May 13, 2013, 12:11:28 AM »

The 1968 Continental Divide Trans-Am had two identical '68 Mustang pace cars. Photo courtesy of Craig Fisher.


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« Reply #118 on: May 13, 2013, 09:06:11 AM »

Great color picture of the 1968 Continental Divide Trans-Am grid.  Thank you Jon and Craig!

One of the Mustangs also appears in this shot from Craig Fisher.  It was posted by Jon Mello in the 1968 season review here: http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=10304.135
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« Reply #119 on: May 25, 2013, 07:44:10 AM »

Here is a picture of the grid for the 1971 Mission Belle 200 Trans Am race held at Riverside International Raceway, Riverside, California on October 3, 1971.  At the head of the field you can see the back of the 1972 AMC Javelin AMX that was used to pace the race.  Notice the attached yellow flag.  The picture was taken by John Ryals and posted by Jon Mellow in the Riverside thread: http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=9431.30.  Other pictures of the car can be seen on page 5 of this thread in replies #64-66.  In these earlier posts I mistakenly identified the car as a 1971 model, but since the race took place in October of 1971, it is probably a 1972 model since new car model years usually start in the fall.
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« Reply #120 on: May 28, 2013, 02:01:37 PM »

While watching my DVD entitled, "The History of the Trans Am Series: 1966-1995 I noticed a tiny snippet of footage that shows Mark Donohue driving his 1968 Penske-Hilton Camaro Z28 into the pit lane after winning the 1968 Les Trois Heures du Circuit, which was a Trans Am race held at Le Circuit Mont-Tremblant, St. Jovite, Quebec, Canada on July 21, 1968.  This footage shows the 1968 Camaro SS/RS convertible that was used by the track to pace the Trans Am race and the other supporting races held during the same weekend.

The first picture was taken with my digital camera while the DVD was paused and you can see the back end of the Camaro pace car in the upper left hand corner as Donohue drives past.

The second picture shows the same 1968 Camaro SS/RS convertible pace car sitting on pit lane. The Cobra is on the grid because it was taken during one of the support races for production cars that took place during the Trans Am weekend.  I found the picture here: http://www.autocourse.ca/index.php?file=photos.html, under the year "1968."

In the third picture you can barely see the Camaro pace car behind the guard rail wall in pit lane as the Formula cars take off at the start of the race. The Camaro is sitting in pit lane because these types of cars began their races with a standing start and did not use the pace car. This was also one of the support races that took place during the Trans Am weekend at St. Jovite. I found it here: http://www.autocourse.ca/index.php?file=photos.html, under the year "1968."







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« Reply #121 on: September 21, 2013, 07:55:28 AM »

Here are some great shots of the 1969 Camaro SS 396 convertible (non RS) that was used to pace the Trans Am race at Laguna Seca Raceway, Monterey, California on August 24, 1969.  The pictures were taken by Delmar Evans and were already posted by Jon Mello in the thread entitled "1969 Laguna Seca Trans-Am photos (http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=11190.0) but I wanted to include them here in the Trans Am pace car thread as well. 

The first picture shows the car on the pace lap.  That is George Follmer on the pole with Parnelli Jones next to him, both in Mustangs. Mark Donohue and Jerry Titus are in the second row in their Camaro and Firebird respectively. The third row consists of Ed Leslie in the second Penske Camaro and Ron Grable in the Javelin.

In the second and third photos you can see the white 1969 Camaro SS 396 convertible on the left side of the photo between the red Corvette and the yellow pickup.

You can see additional pictures of this pace car on this thread.  Go to page two, replies #28 and #29 and page seven, replies #99 and #100.
 
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« Reply #122 on: October 18, 2013, 04:59:30 PM »

Here is a great color photo that was taken at the Bryar 250 Trans Am race held at Bryar Motorsports Park, Loudon, New Hampshire on August 6, 1967 that features a white, base model 1967 Camaro convertible pace car.  This must be the start of the race because the pace car is heading to pit lane and the front row consists of Jerry Titus who started on pole in his #17 light yellow Mustang and Peter Revson who started second in his #15 red Cougar.  Behind them in the second row you can see Milt Minter in his #78 darker yellow Mustang and Ed Leslie in his red #98 Cougar.  They must have gotten the green flag just after this picture was taken.  Notice the corner worker on the track signaling something to the drivers.  It also appears that it was raining at the start of the race as well as during the whole race.  Notice the wet track and the windshield wipers are being used on the pace car as well as the Revson Cougar who would eventually win the race.  The picture was posted by Derek Sutton at the Historic SCCA Pro Racing Trans-Am Series Fan Group on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=694312197249795&set=o.109038482465812&type=3&theater  I'm not sure who took the photo.  I've never seen it before and it does not appear in the thread entitled, "1967 Bryar Trans-Am photos" on this web site.  To see this thread click: http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=8287.0
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« Reply #123 on: October 18, 2013, 07:54:24 PM »

Here are a couple of pictures that were taken at the Marlboro Double 300 Trans Am races, Marlboro Speedway, Upper Marlboro, Maryland on August 12, 1967.  Behind the Mustang of Jerry Titus, you can see the 1967 Ford convertible (Galaxie or Fairlane?) that must have been used to pace the race.  The pictures were posted by Don Struke at the Historic SCCA Pro Racing Trans-Am Series Fan Group Facebook page.
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« Reply #124 on: October 18, 2013, 10:03:12 PM »

Here is another picture of the 1968 Mercury Cougar that paced the Lime Rock 3-Hour Trans Am race, Lime Rock Park, Lime Rock, Connecticut on May 30, 1968.  Apparantly they had a touring event around the track for a local car club or something as part of the pre-race activities. 

The second picture was already posted on this thread but I wanted to post it here again to give credit to the actual photographer.
 
Both pictures were taken by Bob Weston and can be found here: http://www.timelessracer.com/Photo_Galleries/Date_Location/0024June_Aug_68_Lime_Rock.html
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« Reply #125 on: October 18, 2013, 11:37:29 PM »

Here are a couple of pictures that were taken at the Marlboro Double 300 Trans Am races, Marlboro Speedway, Upper Marlboro, Maryland on August 12, 1967.  Behind the Mustang of Jerry Titus, you can see the 1967 Ford convertible (Galaxie or Fairlane?) that must have been used to pace the race.  The pictures were posted by Don Struke at the Historic SCCA Pro Racing Trans-Am Series Fan Group Facebook page.

You can see the 1967 Ford convertible pace car in front of the field during the pace lap of the 1967 Marlboro Trans Am race from :59 to 1:04 in this footage of the race: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h9OLNQDxwk&feature=related

In addition, you can see a blue 1965 or 1966 Corvette roadster with two yellow flags flying from the rear being used to pace the field during a caution period from 5:07 to 5:10.  I wonder why they used a different car.
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« Reply #126 on: October 19, 2013, 01:07:13 AM »

Nice additions. Thanks, Scott.
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« Reply #127 on: October 19, 2013, 04:15:19 PM »

Here is a picture taken by Dave Friedman at the spot of the wrecked Mustang of Jerry Titus during the Green Valley 300 Trans Am race which took place at Green Valley Raceway, Smithfield, Texas on April 16, 1967.  Just behind the smashed up car you can see the back of a 1967 Mustang 2+2 with a flag sticking from the trunk.  The car seems to be parked in a runoff area behind the accident.  While I haven't found any other evidence to back it up, this might be the pace car used during the race.  I'll keep looking. The photo is part of the Dave Friedman Collection at the Henry Ford and a larger and clearer version can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=94933&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
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« Reply #128 on: October 19, 2013, 05:40:26 PM »

For the Green Valley 300 Trans-Am race there was no pace lap following a pace car. The race featured a "Le Mans" style start
with drivers running to their cars after the starter gave his signal. Dick Thompson's white #11 Mustang was on the pole due to
having the quickest qualifying time but you will see that he gets off to a horrible start.

Photo by Jerry Melton

Dick Thompson's white #11 Mustang (at the right) shown still sitting there as the majority of race cars are on their way. I don't
believe there was any issue on race day that would have necessitated the use of a pace car however the Mustang fastback that
you pointed out was probably the car that was there to serve in that capacity.

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« Reply #129 on: October 19, 2013, 09:41:31 PM »

Thanks Jon, I had a feeling it was a LeMans type start from seeing several Friedman pictures of the cars lined up that way before the race.  Is there any reasoning behind why they started that way for this race?  I know they did this kind of start several times in 1966 but none the following years. Did they red flag the race?  It seems strange that all of those corner workers would be standing right in the middle of the racetrack if it was just a local caution.  Maybe they just left the car there for the remainder of the race and this picture taken after the race during the cleanup?
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« Reply #130 on: October 19, 2013, 11:22:12 PM »

Scott, the '68 Sebring race also had the Le Mans style start. The '69 Sebring race was the last one for the Le Mans start but it was not on the Trans-Am schedule that year. It was a popular thing to do in that era because of the added bit of flair or drama, but there were some obviously dangerous aspects to it so it was done away with. Jerry Titus' Mustang was rolled in practice the day before the race. The picture you posted is not from the actual day of the race.
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« Reply #131 on: October 20, 2013, 10:35:18 AM »

Scott, the '68 Sebring race also had the Le Mans style start. The '69 Sebring race was the last one for the Le Mans start but it was not on the Trans-Am schedule that year. It was a popular thing to do in that era because of the added bit of flair or drama, but there were some obviously dangerous aspects to it so it was done away with. Jerry Titus' Mustang was rolled in practice the day before the race. The picture you posted is not from the actual day of the race.

Thanks Jon for the clarification, I should have read up on the race instead of just guessing about the accident.

As for the LeMans type start, didn't someone get killed in an early lap accident at Sebring because they started and pulled away before fully fastening their belts?  I seem to remember that this was the final straw that led to the elimination of the LeMans type starts at Sebring for 1970.
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« Reply #132 on: October 20, 2013, 11:39:10 AM »

Here is a picture taken by Dave Friedman at the Mission Bell 250 Trans Am race at Riverside International Raceway, Riverside, California on September 8, 1968.  Just off to the left of the picture, under the Union 76 sign, you can see the back end of the 1968 or 1969 AMX that was used to pace the race.  The picture is part of the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford.  A larger and clearer version can seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=122738&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0 

Two more pictures of the car in front of the field on the grid can be seen in Reply #69 on the 5th page of this thread.

Not only did an American Motors AMX pace the race but it seems that during the pre-race activities a group of AMC enthusiasts and important AMC motorsports vehicles were allowed to tour the track and show off.  The 2nd, 3rd and 4th pictures show Javelins, AMXs, an AMX drag car on a trailer and possibly two AMC NASCARs on ramp trucks.  These pictures are also part of the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford.  Larger and clearer versions can be seen here:

2) http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=122583&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
3) http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=122597&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
4) http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=122577&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
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« Reply #133 on: October 20, 2013, 12:01:41 PM »

I remember we had a false Le Mans start for the 69 Sebring race.  There was a timing mix-up and we had to run across the track again.  It kind of took the edge off, having to do it twice.  I made sure I was
belted up and waited till most of the cars had left.  Didn't want to get involved in any nonsense right at the start.

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« Reply #134 on: October 21, 2013, 09:58:34 PM »

Thanks for your recollections Robert.

I was mistaken, it wasn't Sebring it was the 1969 24 hour of LeMans race where "John Woolfe was killed in the first lap of the race at the fast Maison Blanche corners, when he was thrown out of the car because he had not fastened his seat belts due to the traditional Le Mans start procedure. The procedure was abolished the next year."  The organizers of the Sebring race must have changed for 1970 due to this accident.

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« Reply #135 on: October 21, 2013, 10:13:03 PM »

Here is a picture taken by Dave Friedman during the 1967 Sebring 4-Hour Trans Am race, Sebring Circuit, Sebring, Florida on March 31, 1967.  In the background, behind the Camaro, you can see a 1967 Ford Fairlane GT with writing on the doors.  This might be the safety car that was used during caution periods during the race and for official track business.  This car did not "pace" the begining of the race because this race began with a standing start.  Instead of a rolling start with a pace car or a LeMans type start where the drivers run to their cars and drive away, this particular race began with all the cars standing on the grid waiting for the flag man to wave the green flag.  The picture is from the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford.  A larger and clearer version can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=155350&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
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« Reply #136 on: October 21, 2013, 10:34:19 PM »

In two pictures taken during the pre-race ceremonies for the 1966 12-Hours of Sebring, Sebring Circuit, Sebring Florida, March 26, 1966 you can see a 1965 Mustang convertible that was probably used as the safety car during the race weekend.  Neither the Trans Am race or the 12-Hour endurance race used a rolling start to begin the race, so this Mustang was not used to "pace" the race.  It was probably there to be used during any full course caution periods and other official track business.  While this picture was taken the day after the Four Hour Governor's Cup for Sedans (Trans Am), this same car was probably used in the same capacity during this first ever Trans Am race.  The first two pictures can be found here: http://www.sportscardigest.com/1966-12-hours-of-sebring-race-profile/3/  (Thanks Jon for linking this article in the 1967 season thread.  I forgot I had these pictures from it.)

In the third picture, you can see two identical 1965 Mustangs parked behind Chris Economaki in the pit lane during the 1965 12-Hours of Sebring.  One of these cars must be the one in the photos from the 1966 running of the race.  I found the third picture somewhere on the internet a couple of years ago.  If it is yours please identify yourself for proper credit.
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« Reply #137 on: October 23, 2013, 10:32:47 PM »

Here is a picture taken during the pace lap of the 1970 Herald-Traveler Trans Am Race that took place at Bryar Motorsport Park, Loudon, New Hampshire on May 31, 1970.  In it you can see that a 1970 Ford Torino GT convertible was the pace car.  I found the picture on page 30 of the March/April 1996 edition of Vintage Motorsport: The Journal of Motor Racing.  This particular issue is dedicated to the 1970 Trans Am season.  The second picture is just a close up of the same picture.  No photographer was credited in the magazine.
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« Reply #138 on: October 27, 2013, 11:47:23 AM »

Here is a picture of the pace lap for the 1969 Glen 500 Trans Am race held at Watkins Glen Grand Prix Course, Watkis Glen, New York on August 10, 1969. You can barely see a white 1969 Camaro convertible pace car at the head of the grid under the yellow Dunlop sign. See a larger version here about a third of the way down the page: http://forums.autosport.com/topic/121287-trans-am-racing-and-25-challenge-memories/page-4

You can also see a picture of the car at the head of the field in Reply #74 on page five of this thread.
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« Reply #139 on: October 27, 2013, 02:25:41 PM »

I came across something interesting when I was looking over my old magazine articles about Trans Am homologation specials.  I found an article from MuscleCars Magazine from the early 1990's featuring a 1970 Panther Pink Challenger T/A that was originally used as one of two pace cars at Donnybrooke Speedway, Brainerd, Minnessotta during the 1970 racing season. 

The article states that, "this was originally one of two pace cars (the other one was Plum Crazy) used at Donnybrooke Speedway during the 1970 season.  In addition to its pace car duties, it was also used for promotional purposes at varoius national events.  At the end of the season it was sold...  It's somewhat surprising that most of the original Donnybrooke lettering and other factory equipment was still on the car...  As for the lettering, [the owner] was careful to document its color and placement, but he decided not to put it back just yet." 

Does anyone have any pictures of the pink Challenger pacing any races at Donnybrooke during the 1970 season (possibly Can Am in September)?  The pink Challeger was probably the backup pace car during the Trans Am race so it might appear in pictures from the race, although I haven't found any yet.

The Plum Crazy pace car referenced in the article is the 1970 Plum Crazy Challenger R/T convertible that was used to pace the 1970 Trans Am race at Donnybrooke International Speedway, Brainerd, Minnesotta on July 5, 1970.  Pictures of this car can be seen in replies #37 & 38 on the 3rd page of this thread as well as reply #90 on page seven.  Incidently the pictures in replies #37 & 38 were taken by Tim Winkler and can be found here: https://www.facebook.com/tim.winker/media_set?set=a.1486226766682.2062688.1564295363&type=1    When I originally posted them I couldn't remember where I found them.


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« Reply #140 on: October 28, 2013, 03:35:09 PM »

I have located a pretty cool photo taken by Pete Lyons at the 1970 Mid-Ohio Trans Am weekend at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Lexington, Ohio on June 7, 1970.  In it you can see a 1970 Mustang Pace Car just in front of the Under 2 Liter Alfas, BMWs, etc. on their pace lap.  See a larger version here: http://petelyons.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/U2-Trans-Am-small-cars/G00008Eo.rrqHP.I/I0000SuntpXIS3Jw/C0000wtshQuLzdyY

You can see the same car pacing the Over 2 Liter cars during the pace laps of their race in reply #8 on page one of this thread and reply #82 on page six.  The color movie footage referenced in reply #82 shows that this car was painted red.
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« Reply #141 on: October 28, 2013, 04:27:44 PM »

Here is a cool shot that was captured from the original movie footage of the 1969 Trans Am race held at Donnybrooke Internaitonal Speedway, Brainerd, Minnesotta on July 6, 1969.  In it you can see the 1969 AMC AMX that was used to pace the race.  I found the picture on the Historic Trans Am Racing Enthusiasts web site: https://plus.google.com/communities/113063570193846187414/stream/c820c43a-df9a-4c4e-9636-f217468f76f1

The second picture was taken by Pete Lyons and it shows the same 1969 AMC AMX pacing the Formula 5000 cars through some speedy dry in their race at Donnybrooke a little over a month later on August 10, 1969.  See a larger version of the picture here: http://petelyons.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/F5000-1969/G0000OP_LhWFuAtk/I0000Xlk8Mp5rxZ8/C0000kmuffHpLUlo

You can see more pics and the link to the movie footage in replies #35 & 36 on page three of this thread.
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« Reply #142 on: October 30, 2013, 11:28:13 PM »

That would be the Jeffords AMX-R  (Ramble seat where the trunk was).  Notice the photogs in back. 

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« Reply #143 on: November 01, 2013, 11:27:05 AM »

That would be the Jeffords AMX-R  (Ramble seat where the trunk was).  Notice the photogs in back. 

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klvn8r,  I don't think it is the same car.  See my posts #32 through #36 on page three of this thread and #49 on page four for further info and reasoning.
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« Reply #144 on: November 01, 2013, 01:04:51 PM »

Hmmm,  I'm not familiar with the museum donation info, could be true, I suppose.  But at the 55 second point in the video, the guy in the back of the car is clearly OUTSIDE of it....pretty sure there weren't two of those cars built.   Strange.

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« Reply #145 on: November 01, 2013, 02:49:34 PM »

Hmmm,  I'm not familiar with the museum donation info, could be true, I suppose.  But at the 55 second point in the video, the guy in the back of the car is clearly OUTSIDE of it....pretty sure there weren't two of those cars built.   Strange.

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Agreed!.  It is strange.  I just think they must have removed the back window of a stock AMX and the guy just sat, kneeled or rested his feet on the little shelf behind the seats. 

The fact that the car appeared as a pace car at Road America (picture in reply #49 on page four) in its red with black paint job just two weeks after the 1969 Donnybrooke Trans Am event also demnostrates that the AMX with Go Pack stripes that paced the Donnybrooke Trans Am race could not be the AMX-R.  There is no way they would have painted the car a different color for the Donnybrooke Trans Am race, then paint it again in its original paint scheme for another event just two weeks later.  Also I think you would be able to see the back part of the ramble seat through the windshield in the movie footage and the color shot in reply #141 because it stuck up so much in its open position, but it does not appear to be there (see 2nd picture in this post that shows ramble seat in up position).  The top of the seat is almost even with the roof, blocking visibility behind it.  These two things are the evidence that to me really proves they are two different cars. 

Looking at all the evidence again, I just noticed that the Donnybrooke pace car has different wheels than the picture of the AMX-R at Road America two weeks later (although these could be changed easily) and the special hood on the AMX-R does not appear on the Donnybrooke pace car.     
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« Reply #146 on: November 01, 2013, 10:47:59 PM »

I agree, they must be two different cars. But I don't think they pulled the backlight and were sitting on the package tray. The guy seems to be too far off to the side for that. Maybe they pulled the trunklid and he's standing in the trunk.
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« Reply #147 on: November 02, 2013, 08:35:10 AM »

I agree, they must be two different cars. But I don't think they pulled the backlight and were sitting on the package tray. The guy seems to be too far off to the side for that. Maybe they pulled the trunklid and he's standing in the trunk.

MO, good point.  Removing the trunk lid would probably also be much easier than removing the rear window.
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« Reply #148 on: November 08, 2013, 10:56:59 PM »

While watching the Mercury produced 1967 Trans Am season retrospective entitled "Cougar Caper" on Youtube I noticed that a 1967 Shelby Mustang was used as the pace car for the 1967 Kent 300 Trans Am race at Pacific Raceways in Kent, Washington on October 8, 1967.  I am not sure if it is a GT 350 or GT 500 because you can only see the car from the front but it does seem odd to me that they would still be using a 1967 model year car to pace a race that took place in October of 1967.  By this late date the 1968 model year cars would have been available to the public for several months.  You can see the Shelby on the pace lap from 0:22 to 0:37 in the following footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TexJQfWCM1Q

I took a photo with my digital camera while the footage was paused.
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« Reply #149 on: November 08, 2013, 11:51:21 PM »

I also came across this nice shot taken by someone from the Denver Post just at the start of the 1967 Continental Divide Trans Am race at Continental Divide Raceways, Castle Rock, Coloroado on August 27, 1967.  You can see the 1967 Ford Mustang convertible in the pit lane just after the Trans Am cars got the green flag to begin the race.  I found the picture here: http://blogs.denverpost.com/library/category/cars/

More pictures of this pace car can be seen in reply #81 on page six and reply #91 on page seven of this thread.
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« Reply #150 on: November 10, 2013, 04:52:10 PM »

Here is one of the coolest photos featuring a pace car paciing a Trans Am race I have come across.  This is a beautiful color picture of the 1969 Camaro RS/SS Indy Pace Car convertible pacing Les Trois Heures du Circuit Trans Am race at Le Circuit Mont-Tremblant, St. Jovite, Quebec, Canada on August 3, 1969.   The picture was taken during the caution laps after the huge multi-car wreck.  Check out the missing front end of the Jerry Titus Firebird in third place behind the two Penske Camaros.  I found the picture here: http://www.autocourse.ca/index.php?file=photos.html

See a few more pictures of this car in Reply #84 on page six of this thread.
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« Reply #151 on: November 11, 2013, 10:33:50 PM »

Here is a picture I found in the 1969 Trans Am season review thread on this web site (posted by Jon Mello) that shows the rear end of a 1969 Camaro convertible as it heads into pit lane after the opening pace laps of the Trans Am race at Bridgehampton Race Circuit, Bridgehampton, New York on June 22, 1969.  I'd be willing to bet that it is the same 1969 Camaro RS/SS Indy Pace Car convertible that was used to pace the Bridgehampton Grand Prix Can Am race three months later on September 14, 1969.

See the footage of the Can Am race here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJI-wnFkVoI

While the footage is entitled, "Bridgehampton 1968 Can Am home video" it also contains footage of the 1969 Can Am race at the same track. I can tell by the look of the racecars that the footage is from two different years. You can see the Camaro in pit lane with Stirling Moss standing by the open drivers door between 8:04 and 8:07. He is the one in the white pants and he was probably the driver of the pace car. Notice the orange door panel, seats, and boot that shows it is an Indy Pace Car. Also notice the after market wheels. You can see the Camaro coming into pit lane as the Can Am cars get the green flag after the pace lap between 8:07 and 8:14.

I paused the footage and took a digital picture of the Camaro in the pits in front of the grid before the pace laps.
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« Reply #152 on: November 15, 2013, 08:47:04 AM »

Here is a picture that appears on page 198 of the book entitled, " Trans-Am: The Pony Car Wars, 1966-1972 written by Dave Friedman.  It shows the winning U-2 class Alfa of Lee Mdgley on his victory lap after the running of the 1970 under 2 liter Trans Am race at Le Circuit Mont-Tremblant, St. Jovite, Quebec, Canada on August 2, 1970.  In it you can see what must have been the pace car for both the under 2 liter and over 2 liter Trans Am races held that day.  Just above the guard rail and neatly framed by the two guys standing on the track to the right of the picture you can see a car parked in pit lane with flags jutting out from the rear bumper.  To me it looks like a 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass, probably a 4-4-2.

I may be seeing things but if you look closely enough at the trunk it appears that there might be twin stripes.  If so, this might be one of the rare Indy Pace Car convertibles with the white convertible top in the up position.  No other 442's came with rear trunk stripes in 1970.  I just can't tell if the side stripe is there. 

The picture is credited to Barry Tenin in the book.  I found a larger image of the picture on the Alfas in Trans Am thread of the Alfa Bulletn Board here: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/gta-1965-1975/207833-ar613217.html
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« Reply #153 on: November 19, 2013, 05:19:06 PM »

Here is an interesting one.  While watching my old copy of the documentary entitled, "Trans Am '70," I noticed that a red Toyota 2000GT was used as the pace car for the 1970 Marlboro 200 Trans Am race at Bridgehampton Race Circuit, Bridgehampton, New York on June 21, 1970.

I'm not sure what model year the pace car is but the Toyota 2000GT is a very rare car.  They were built between 1967 and 1970 and they only produced a total of 351 regular production cars.  Out of these only about 60 came to North America.  On a side note, Shelby raced a few of them in 1968 and two convertible versions were used in the 1967 James Bond movie, "You Only Live Twice."  More info on the car can be seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_2000GT

This documentary is also available on Youtube.  You can see the car between 13:23 and 13:28 here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwp-i_OCO1k

I paused the film and took a picture with my digital camera.
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« Reply #154 on: November 19, 2013, 05:29:35 PM »

The documentary "Trans Am '70," mentioned in the above post, also shows that a light blue 1970 AMC Javelin SST was used to pace the 1970 Kent 200 Trans Am race at Seattle International Raceway in Kent, Washington on September 20, 1970.  It appears to have the special spoiler on the back so it must be one of the 2,501 Mark Donohue editions made.  Interesting to note that it doesn't have the C-stripe on the side that you usually see on these cars.  It looks like they may have altered it in order to put on the special pace car decals.

You can see the Javelin between 0:42 and 0:47 on the Youtube version here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwp-i_OCO1k 

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« Reply #155 on: November 21, 2013, 04:16:18 PM »

Credit for finding this fantastic picture must go to Mike Scott (Group/7 in Canada).  He sent me this picture the other day not knowing where he found it on the internet or what race it was taken at during the 1968 season.  After looking at the picture for quite a while, zooming in on it and doing plenty of research, I have come to the conclusion that this 1968 Camaro Z28 was the pace car for the 1968 Glen 500 at Watkins Glen Grand Prix Course, in Watkins Glen, New York held on August 11, 1968.

Several things brought me to that conclusion.  First, after zooming in on the picture there appears to be a BMW in the last row on the right side and this kind of car only participated in a handful of races during the 1968 season.   A driver named Herb Swan participated in the 1968 Trans Am race at Watkins Glen in his yellow BMW 2002 TI.  Second, the sign on the outside wall of the turn in the background says "Lentheric," which was a manufacturer of perfumes and cosmetics.  This sign appears on the outside wall of the turn nicknamed "the 90" in other pictures of Watkins Glen from 1968.  Third, the shadow on the race track just behind the Z28 pace car undoubtedly comes from the "Dunlop" flag stand that juts out over the start/finish line from pit lane just before the "esses."  Fourth, Watkins Glen had previously used a 1968 Camaro RS/SS convertible to pace the 6 hour race for sports cars a month earlier on July 14th, so the track had a history of using Chevy products and would continue to do so for the next few years. 

In the second attached picture you can see the "Lentheric" sign on the wall in the background, the "Dunlop" flag stand making a similar shadow on the race track, and the 1968 Camaro RS/SS convertible pace car.  It was taken by Dave Friedman before the start of the 6 hour sports car race in July, a little less than a month before the Trans Am race.  A larger version can be seen here:  http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=176422&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0

Jon, might this picture have come from the program for the 1969 Trans Am race at Watkins Glen?

Thank you Mike Group/7 in Canada for sending me this fantastic picture.
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« Reply #156 on: November 21, 2013, 08:11:49 PM »

scott, thank you ! for posting the shot from '68 trans-am at the glen. you might very well be right about it being from the program for the 1969 race. I seem to remember it was part of an article on trans-am sedans, and was a two page image. It might even have been from some where like hot rod magazine ! it is worthwhile to look in some other publications, which had stuff on different  racing series. I will PM you as to your questions on the '66 can-am. don't want to side track this thread.

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« Reply #157 on: November 21, 2013, 11:16:27 PM »

Mike, I don't have the '69 Watkins Glen program but I do believe that picture of the '68 Z/28 as the pace car
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« Reply #158 on: November 26, 2013, 02:49:24 PM »

In 1967 Chevy used their 396 Camaro show car to pace the Can Am race at Road America. It is called the Cherokee and is still around today.
Chevy liked to bring special cars to Road America in the 60s.

I have read that they used the 1968 Z/28 convert built for Pete Estes to pace the Can Am race in 1968 but have not been able to find a pic of it.
may have been used as Trans Am pace car

This may be one reason why the 1968 convertible Z was built

pic is the 1967 Cheerokee Camaro show car built by Chevy with weber carb 396 and plexi glass hood scoop, hood tach, and other custom items

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The Cherokee along with Estes 68 Z conv were at the show in Chicago this past weekend.
I've got some pics that are too large to post, I will get them up later today.
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« Reply #160 on: November 27, 2013, 11:58:51 AM »

That Cherokee is a sharp looking car. I always liked it. Thanks for posting the pics, James.

I guess there is some question as to whether they made more than one since the interior color is not the same as seen in some of the vintage shots. Did you hear anything further on this at the show?
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« Reply #161 on: November 27, 2013, 02:12:38 PM »

scott & jon, just a quick note on the pic of the grid at the glen in '68 with the pace car. found the same shot, in colour ! in the vintage motorsport issue on the 1968 trans am season, nov/dec 1995.

 wishing all of you in the states a great thanksgiving !

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« Reply #162 on: November 27, 2013, 05:21:16 PM »

scott & jon, just a quick note on the pic of the grid at the glen in '68 with the pace car. found the same shot, in colour ! in the vintage motorsport issue on the 1968 trans am season, nov/dec 1995.

 wishing all of you in the states a great thanksgiving !

  mike group/7

That is fantastic.  Mike you are the best!  What color is the Z28?  I've got the issues covering part one and part five but I don't have the others.  Are there any other pace car pictures?
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« Reply #163 on: November 27, 2013, 05:25:33 PM »

In 1967 Chevy used their 396 Camaro show car to pace the Can Am race at Road America. It is called the Cherokee and is still around today.
Chevy liked to bring special cars to Road America in the 60s.

I have read that they used the 1968 Z/28 convert built for Pete Estes to pace the Can Am race in 1968 but have not been able to find a pic of it.
may have been used as Trans Am pace car

This may be one reason why the 1968 convertible Z was built

pic is the 1967 Cheerokee Camaro show car built by Chevy with weber carb 396 and plexi glass hood scoop, hood tach, and other custom items

link is Cherokee auction
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The Cherokee along with Estes 68 Z conv were at the show in Chicago this past weekend.
I've got some pics that are too large to post, I will get them up later today.

I have participated in much discussion on these two cars at the Camaro Pace Car site.  Click on the following links for more info on each car:

1967 Cherokee Camaro: http://camaropacecars.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3100015833/m/4950009635

1968 "Estes" Camaro Z28 convertible: http://camaropacecars.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3100015833/m/4581033336

Several pictures of each car as they appeared at the Muscle Car & Corvette Nationals in Chicago this past weekend also appear at the end of each thread.
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« Reply #164 on: November 27, 2013, 05:42:29 PM »

That Cherokee is a sharp looking car. I always liked it. Thanks for posting the pics, James.

I guess there is some question as to whether they made more than one since the interior color is not the same as seen in some of the vintage shots. Did you hear anything further on this at the show?

This picture, taken by Chuck Derer during the pace lap of the 1967 Road America Can Am, shows that the boot was black back then just like it is now.  Unfortunately you can't see the interior color in the photo.  The picture can be found here: http://rideswithchuck.blogspot.com/2012/12/canam-1967-few-amateur-photos.html#!/2012/12/canam-1967-few-amateur-photos.html

Jon, do you have any other period photos showing the interior in a different color?
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« Reply #165 on: November 27, 2013, 06:02:49 PM »

scott, I am not the best ! but thanks , I apologize ! jumped the gun on that one. it's a colour shot of the start I think. but the pace car does not show. sorry about that.

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« Reply #166 on: November 28, 2013, 09:23:12 AM »

Jon Mello recently posted these two items on the ninth page of the 1967 Trans Am season review thread and I wanted to include them here as well.  The following two attachments show the 1967 Camaro RS/SS convertible (possible Indy Pace Car replica) that paced the Trans Am race at Mid Ohio Sports Car Course in Lexington, Ohio on June 11, 1967.

The first one appeared in a pictoral retrospective on page 6 of the official program for the SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) National Races held at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Lexington, Ohio on July 15/16, 1967.

The second one must have been taken at nearly the same time as the one above but from the otherside of the track. It appears in the July 1967 edition of the Mid Ohio track Newsletter.

See them both here: http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=11290.120

A close up view of the first picture appears in post #2 on the first page of this thread and a picture of the car during the pace lap appears in post #63 on the fifth page of this thread.
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« Reply #167 on: November 28, 2013, 11:10:13 AM »

It looks like the car has a black nose stripe and a blue interior. It has the 396 emblem on the side and the door decal looks like the
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« Reply #168 on: November 29, 2013, 10:24:18 AM »

That's the conclusion the pace car guys came up with as well over at the Camaro Pace Car web site.  They also believe that the placement of the decals on the doors is off compared to the parameters set for factory placement on the Indy Pace Car replicas.  They also pointed out that it is crooked compared to those cars as well.  The thing they can't figure out is if it was just a regular white SS with a black nose stripe, how did whever provided the Camaro to the track get the decals?  Some have claimed that the decal was available to any Chevy dealer and that they would have received a special flyer on how to order them but nobody has seen this special flyer or knows the part number.  Can anyone here shed more light on the subject?  Thanks.
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« Reply #169 on: November 29, 2013, 04:07:18 PM »

That Cherokee is a sharp looking car. I always liked it. Thanks for posting the pics, James.

I guess there is some question as to whether they made more than one since the interior color is not the same as seen in some of the vintage shots. Did you hear anything further on this at the show?

Here is a cool video taken at the recent Muscle Car & Corvette Nationals featuring the Cherokee Camaro as well as the man who restored it, Charlie Hutton.  In the video he gives a lot of cool information behind the restoration and he also states that the interior is original to the car.  They only replaced the carpeting.  See it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wCGLVc3hj0
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« Reply #170 on: November 29, 2013, 06:08:15 PM »

While the jury is still out on what paced the 1967 Daytona 300 Trans-Am race at Daytona International Speedway on Friday, February 3, 1967 these pictures show that there was a 1967 Pontiac Bonneville convertible used during the pace laps prior to the 24-Hour Continental the next day as well as a darker colored 1967 Ford Galaxie 500.  Several Trans Am cars participated in the 24 hour race, so I thought we should include the pace car pictures for this particular race and while I have yet to find any photographic evidence that one of these cars paced the Daytona 300 Trans-Am race, it is probable that one of them did.

The first two pictures show a white Bonneville while in the third picture you can see the back end of a darker colored car, perhaps black or dark blue.  I'm suggesting that the white Bonneville carried photographers in the backseat on the first pace lap with the darker colored car in front of it.  Then by the second pace lap the white Bonneville headed off the track leaving the darker colored Galaxie 500 to pace the field prior to the green flag.  The famous photo of the front row (4th attached) must have been taken by someone in the backseat of the white Bonneville.  See the following post for a picture of the Galaxie 500 at the head of the field on pit lane.  The trim at the bottom of the rear quarter panel is different from the Bonneville and the name of the car appears above that.  Bonnevilles did not have either of these items.

The were taken by John Losee and can be found here: http://www.thevrl.com/photo/albums/daytona-24-hours-1967-1?test-locale=&exposeKeys=&xg_pw=&xgsi=&id=1465153%3AAlbum%3A223088&groupId=&groupUrl=&xgi=&commentPage=&page=1

The second photo came from www.gettyimages.com

I found the fourth photo here: http://www.quincylist.com/1967-daytona-pace-lap

 
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« Reply #171 on: November 29, 2013, 06:20:41 PM »

Here is one more picture of the grid for the 1967 Daytona 24 hour Continental and it shows the 1967 Ford Galaxie 500 at the head of the front row.  This must be the darker colored car seen in the previous post.  The picture is for sale on ebay here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rare-8X10-Auto-Racing-Photo-1967-Daytona-24-Hours-Starting-Grid-/180801149951#ht_430wt_693
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« Reply #172 on: November 30, 2013, 12:20:22 AM »

I just watced some footage of the Trans Am race that took place at Bridgehampton Race Circuit, Bridgehampton, New York on June 23, 1968 and it shows that this race was also paced by a red Toyota 2000 GT.  This must be the same car that paced the Trans Am race at the same circuit in 1970 because they only produced a total of 351 regular production cars and out of these only about 60 came to North America.  What are the odds that the same track would employ two different Toyota 2000 GT's.  You can see the footage on a site dedicated to a Trans Am Porsche 911 race car here: http://kzmotorsports.com/911L-Race-History-Overview.html     Scroll down to the bottom of the page to watch the footage.  The Toyota 2000 GT appears between 0:07 and 0:10.

To see a similar picture of the same car pacing the 1970 Trans Am race at Bridgehampton go to reply #153 on page 11 of this thread.  I know this looks like the same picture but look at the race cars, these are 1968 Trans Am machines.
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« Reply #173 on: November 30, 2013, 12:46:18 AM »

Thanks for the links to John Losee's photos from the Daytona 24-Hour race. It was interesting to see his photo of
Lorenzo Bandini entering the track driving a '67 Camaro, even though the caption says he is driving a Ford. In the
race of course, he drove the race-winning Ferrari. Sadly he was killed at the Monoco Grand Prix a few months later.
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« Reply #174 on: December 14, 2013, 01:14:12 PM »

Riverside's "Raceway" magazine (May '67 issue) had a road test of the 390 GT Cougars that were used as
their pace cars all year long, including the Trans-Am race in September. I wonder if any of the three cars
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« Reply #175 on: December 17, 2013, 11:04:54 PM »

Very cool article!  Thanks for posting it Jon.

Jon also posted another picture of one of the Cougars at the 1967 Riverside Trans Am race in Reply #50 on page 4 of this thread.

In addition, here is a picture of one of the Cougars on the pace lap for the 1967 Motor Trend 500 NASCAR Grand National race at Riverside International Raceway on January 22, 1967.  The race was won by Parnelli Jones in a Ford.  The picture appears in the Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford.  A larger and clearer version can be seen here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=127382&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0

The Cougar was not used as the pace car for this race but it appeared in front of the 1967 Mercury Cyclone convertible pace car on one of the pace laps.
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« Reply #176 on: December 23, 2013, 09:36:05 AM »

I'm fairly certain I remember a 69 Camaro with an endura bumper Cool leading the pack towards turn 2 at Laguna Seca in 1969. The picture must of come from Jon at some point. I'll see if I can find it.

Here's that photo, Robert. I knew I had a copy somewhere and finally ran across it last night.
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I'm fairly certain I remember a 69 Camaro with an endura bumper Cool leading the pack towards turn 2 at Laguna Seca in 1969. The picture must of come from Jon at some point. I'll see if I can find it.

Here's that photo, Robert. I knew I had a copy somewhere and finally ran across it last night.

What a great shot of the Camaro at the head of the field.  Thanks for posting it Jon.  Did it come out of the 1970 Laguna Seca program?

Additional pictures of this Camaro pace car appear on page two, replies #28 and #29; page seven, replies #99 and #100 and page nine, reply #121.
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« Reply #178 on: December 24, 2013, 01:58:46 AM »

What a great shot of the Camaro at the head of the field.  Thanks for posting it Jon.  Did it come out of the 1970 Laguna Seca program?

I suspect it came from that program but don't know that for a fact.
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« Reply #179 on: December 29, 2013, 10:48:33 AM »

Here are a couple of pictures taken by Stu Brennan at the Schaefer Trans Am events held at Lime Rock Park, Lime Rock, Connecticut on May 6, 1972.  Both pictures show that a 1972 Datsun 240Z was used as the pace car that day.  The first picture is of the pace car in front of the big iron and the second picture shows it pacing the 2.5 challenge cars.  These and several others pictures from both races appear here: http://www.pbase.com/sb_photos/lrtransam72

On the top, right side of the second photo you can see a grabber blue 1970 Boss 302 Mustang Trans Am race car.  Is this the #81 car of Ed Hinchcliff?
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« Reply #180 on: December 30, 2013, 12:39:56 AM »

Here is a really cool photo of the 1968 Camaro RS convertible that was used to pace the Trans Am race held at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, Lexington, Ohio on June 16, 1968.  Besides being a color close up shot, the driver is none other than Mark Donohue!  I'm not sure if this picture was taken after he won the Trans Am race at the track in June or if it was taken after he won the United States Road Racing Championship race at the track on August 18, 1968.  Either way its a fantastic picture of Mark Donohue taking the Mid Ohio Camaro pace car out for a victory lap! 

You can see two other pictures of this car in Reply #71 on page five of this thread.

I found the picture at the Ohio Valley Region of the SCCA's historical photo gallery here: http://gallery.ovr-scca.org/?Dir=%2FHistorical%2FPeople&page=6
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« Reply #181 on: December 30, 2013, 11:13:04 PM »

Some really great pictures you've put up Scott!
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« Reply #182 on: December 31, 2013, 11:53:05 AM »

Some really great pictures you've put up Scott!

Thanks MO!
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« Reply #183 on: December 31, 2013, 01:12:33 PM »

I can't remember where these came from but here are some pictures of the '67 Camaro used as the pace car for the
American Road Race of Champions (ARRC) held at Daytona in November '67. These races determined the national
champions for each SCCA racing class as they brought together the best drivers from each region of the country to
face off in a winner-takes-all race. John McComb and his Mustang were the A/Sedan national champs in 1967.
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« Reply #184 on: December 31, 2013, 11:30:46 PM »

Jon, not sure where you got the picture of the actual photo (1st picture) but that same picture was used in the February 1968 edition of SCCA Sports Car Magazine (attached).  I remember finding your second picture here: http://www.virhistory.com/cars/arrc/covers.htm  along with another version of  your first picture.

I also have a different picture of the same car but I also don't remember where I found it.   
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« Reply #185 on: January 16, 2014, 10:45:26 AM »

Replies #170 and #171 on page twelve of this thread talk about the 1967 Ford Galaxie convertible used to pace the 24-Hour Continental run at Daytona International Speedway on February 4, 1967.  I found some silent home movie footage on Youtube that shows the car out in front of the field as they leave pit lane.  See the Ford Galaxie convertible pace car and the pace lap between 0:56 and 1:35 here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qQUT8BsYV4
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« Reply #186 on: January 18, 2014, 04:12:48 PM »

Speaking of Ford Galaxie convertibles, here's one that was used as the pace car for the Marlboro "Double 300" Trans-Am race in 1967.
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« Reply #187 on: January 19, 2014, 11:26:29 PM »

Speaking of Ford Galaxie convertibles, here's one that was used as the pace car for the Marlboro "Double 300" Trans-Am race in 1967.

Great picture of the '67 Marlboro Speedway pace car Jon.

Additional pictures of this Galaxie pace car can be seen in replies #123 and #125 on page nine of this thread.
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« Reply #188 on: February 04, 2014, 11:52:04 AM »

Here are some more pictures of the 1968 Camaro RS convertible that paced the Trans Am race at Mid Ohio Sports Car Course in Lexington, Ohio on June 11, 1967. They were taken from a program produced by Sunoco in 1969 that chronicled the previous years Trans Am championship and the 1969 Daytona 24 hour race. I paused the film and took the shots with my digital camera.

Steve Shauger posted the footage on Youtube and let us know about them in his thread on this web site entitled, "1968 Trans Am Series Videos Penske Racing."

See the Mid Ohio segment here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHuP24D1JB8    The Camaro pace car can be seen between 0:46 and 0:50 on the pace lap.

See more pictures of the Camaro in Reply #71 on page five and Reply #180 on page thirteen of this thread.
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All AMC front row??? Wink
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« Reply #190 on: February 04, 2014, 10:25:46 PM »

Here are some more pictures of the 1968 Camaro RS convertible that paced the Trans Am race at Mid Ohio Sports Car Course in Lexington, Ohio on June 11, 1967. They were taken from a program produced by Sunoco in 1969 that chronicled the previous years Trans Am championship and the 1969 Daytona 24 hour race. I paused the film and took the shots with my digital camera.

Steve Shauger posted the footage on Youtube and let us know about them in his thread on this web site entitled, "1968 Trans Am Series Videos Penske Racing."

See the Mid Ohio segment here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHuP24D1JB8    The Camaro pace car can be seen between 0:46 and 0:50 on the pace lap.

See more pictures of the Camaro in Reply #71 on page five and Reply #180 on page thirteen of this thread.

I have a lot of 1970 Trans Am series footage. I will review and post any pace car footage as well so check back at that link for updates.
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I have a lot of 1970 Trans Am series footage. I will review and post any pace car footage as well so check back at that link for updates.
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« Reply #192 on: March 13, 2014, 11:07:13 AM »

While I haven't found a picture of the car yet, thanks to Frank Dihartce and Jon Mello we now know what paced the 1968 Kent 300.  On page eight of the program for the race a little blurb states, "Official Trans Am Pace Car -- 1969 Mustang Mach 1"   This appears in the right column, just above the picture of the Goup 44 Triumph TR-250.   See the whole program on page eleven of the 1968 Trans Am Season Review in reply #155: http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=10304.150
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« Reply #193 on: April 07, 2014, 04:37:36 PM »

Here are some more pictures of the 1968 Camaro RS convertible that paced the Trans Am race at Mid Ohio Sports Car Course in Lexington, Ohio on June 11, 1967. They were taken from a program produced by Sunoco in 1969 that chronicled the previous years Trans Am championship and the 1969 Daytona 24 hour race. I paused the film and took the shots with my digital camera.

Steve Shauger posted the footage on Youtube and let us know about them in his thread on this web site entitled, "1968 Trans Am Series Videos Penske Racing."

See the Mid Ohio segment here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHuP24D1JB8    The Camaro pace car can be seen between 0:46 and 0:50 on the pace lap.

See more pictures of the Camaro in Reply #71 on page five and Reply #180 on page thirteen of this thread.

I just noticed that I mis-typed the date for the race pictures in Reply #188.  It should be 1968 not 1967.  Sorry about that.
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« Reply #194 on: April 07, 2014, 05:01:11 PM »

While searching through the Revs Digital Library I found a picture that demonstrates that a 1969 Shelby GT500 convertible was used as the pace car for the Herald-Traveler Challenge Trophy or Bryar 200 Trans Am race at Bryar Motorsport Park in Loudon, New Hampshire on July 20, 1969.   The Shelby can be seen above the Penske Camaro in the first picture.  More info and magnification tools for this photo can be seen here: https://revslib.stanford.edu/catalog/pt383bb3005

The second picture from the Revs Digital Library shows that a 1969 Camaro RS/SS Indy Pace Car convertible was also used in some capacity during the race.  The picture shows the car, with aftermarket wheels, parked with a bunch of Mustangs.  Notice the "Bryar 200" decal on the front fender.  More info and magnification tools for this photo can be seen here: https://revslib.stanford.edu/catalog/bh063ss7943

The 1969 RS/SS Indy Pace Car convertible used by the track can be seen parked between the two trucks behind the row of Mustangs in the third photo if you click on the following link to magnify it using the tools provided there: https://revslib.stanford.edu/catalog/ch527qz9749
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« Reply #195 on: April 09, 2014, 09:31:57 PM »

Here are a couple more pictures featuring the 1967 or 1968 Toyota 2000GT that was used to pace the Trans Am race at Bridgehampton Race Circuit, Bridgehampton, New York on June 23, 1968.  More info and a color picture of the red Toyota can be seen on page twelve of this thread, post #172.

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« Reply #196 on: April 09, 2014, 11:07:00 PM »

Scott, thanks for your diligent work in trying to document the various pace cars for all the different T/A races.
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« Reply #197 on: April 10, 2014, 10:34:27 AM »

Scott, thanks for your diligent work in trying to document the various pace cars for all the different T/A races.

Your welcome Jon.
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« Reply #198 on: April 10, 2014, 10:42:42 AM »

Here is a picture of the 1968 Mercury Cougar used to pace the Lime Rock 3-Hour Trans Am race, Lime Rock Park, Lime Rock, Connecticut on May 30, 1968.  Additional color pictures of the light blue car can be seen on page nine of this thread, Reply #124.

I found it at the Revs Digital Library.  More info and magnification tools for this picture can be found here: https://revslib.stanford.edu/catalog/xp313kx6020
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« Reply #199 on: April 10, 2014, 03:33:32 PM »

Here is a picture from gettyimages.com that shows the dark colored 1967 Ford Galaxie 500 that was used to pace the 1967 Daytona 24 hour Continental at Daytona International Speedway in Daytona, Florida on February 4, 1967 parked next to the tech inspection line.  The picture was taken a few weeks later during the lead up to the Daytona 500 Nascar Grand National race.  You can see the Galaxie in the background as the Ford of A.J. Foyt goes through tech inspection.  The metadata on the photo states, "FEBRUARY 27: Daytona 500 NASCAR A.J. Foyt's Ford Fairlane getting inspected before the race. (Photo by Bob D'Olivo/Source. Interlink Media/Getty Images)" 

See more info, pictures, and footage showing the Galaxie on page twelve of this thread, replies #170 and 171 as well as page thirteen, reply #185.

I found the picture here: http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/daytona-500-nascar-a-j-foyts-ford-fairlane-getting-news-photo/155882828
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« Reply #200 on: June 08, 2014, 02:37:55 PM »

Here is Elkhart Lake with a 68 Z (stock) with 4 68 Camaro Conv's The 68 Camaros look to be a mix of RS/SS's and Std SS's the interior color is lighter than black would appear as does the hockey stick in other photos...

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« Reply #201 on: June 08, 2014, 02:58:13 PM »

James, those pics were taken at "Le Circuit Mt. Tremblant" in St. Jovite, Quebec, Canada. They are incorrectly labeled and I flagged them for correction back in March but they obviously haven't done anything about it.
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« Reply #202 on: June 25, 2014, 08:36:16 AM »

Here are some pics of the '69 Laguna Seca pace car with Ronnie Bucknum at the helm. It seems he was sufficiently
recovered from his car accident to drive the pace car, but not enough to race the #9 as Ed Leslie drove it for this
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« Reply #203 on: July 02, 2014, 06:36:43 AM »

Fantastic photos Jon!  Two for one, a Trans Am driver driving a Camaro Pace Car.  How cool is that.  Thanks for posting these from the Robert Lodewyk Collection. 

Additional pictures of this Camaro pace car appear on page two, replies #28 and #29; page seven, replies #99 and #100; page nine, reply #121 and page twelve, reply #176.
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« Reply #204 on: July 23, 2014, 09:39:56 AM »

A member of the Camaro Pace Car site alerted me to this photo from a Road & Track article of James Garner sitting in the 1968 Camaro RS/SS convertible used to pace the 24 Hours of Daytona on February 3/4, 1968.  He not only paced this race in 1968 but he was also a three time pace car driver for the Indy 500 (1975, 1977 & 1985).  He was not only a great actor, starring in one of the best racing films of all time, Grand Prix in 1966, but he was also an amateur race car driver, race team owner, and all around racing enthusiast and cool guy.  RIP James Garner.  

Other pictures of the 1968 Camaro can be found on page one of this thread in replies #12 & #13 as well as page six, reply #77.

The first picture came from the following link via Getty Images: http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/car-culture/james-garner-dies-at-age-86

The second picture shows him in the 1975 Buick Indy 500 Pace Car and the third picture shows him standing with the 1977 Oldsmobile Indy 500 pace car.
 
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« Reply #205 on: July 23, 2014, 08:43:35 PM »

I sure was saddened to hear of James Garner's passing. One of my all-time favorite Hollywood actors and so neat that he was a real car enthusiast and a fan of motorsports.
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« Reply #206 on: July 24, 2014, 01:22:35 PM »

Here is another picture of the 1968 Camaro RS/SS convertible that paced the 1968 24 Hours of Daytona and was driven by James Garner.  I found it at the Revs Digital Library. More info and magnification tools can be found here: https://revslib.stanford.edu/catalog/bj357nm1460  Check out the body roll as it leaves the infield road course and heads onto NASCAR turn one.
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« Reply #207 on: July 24, 2014, 01:35:47 PM »

Three more images of the 1968 Camaro RS/SS convertible that paced the 1968 24 Hours of Daytona.

The caption from the first picture states, "Daytona Beach, FL - February 4, 1968: A Huge crowd gathers around the winning factory Porsche 907's in victory lane following their 1-2-3 finish in the 24 Hours of Daytona at Daytona International Speedway."    It can be found here:  http://www.gettyimages.com/det...news-photo/112303797

The second and third pictures came from The Dave Friedman Collection at The Henry Ford.  They show the drivers of the winning Porsche 907. They were Vic Elford (middle), Rolf Stommelen (right) and Jochn Neerpasch (left).

A larger and clearer version of the second picture can be found here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=91635&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0

A larger and clearer version of the third picture can be found here: http://thehenryford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=91634&staticImage=C&ckon=image&alt=0
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« Reply #208 on: July 25, 2014, 08:39:27 AM »

Thanks, Scott.
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« Reply #209 on: August 07, 2014, 11:10:58 AM »

Anther shot of what looks like the same 24hr of Daytona 68 Camaro.  But from the video its the 1970 24hr of Daytona.??..

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« Reply #210 on: August 07, 2014, 12:19:34 PM »

Darrell, I think that's a '70 Ford Torino.
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« Reply #211 on: August 07, 2014, 12:26:23 PM »

Ahhhh man...!!!!...  





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« Reply #212 on: August 07, 2014, 03:43:41 PM »

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608014129215441948&w=98&h=108&c=8&pid=3.1&qlt=90&rm=2

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« Reply #213 on: August 07, 2014, 10:20:42 PM »

Even though it is not a Camaro it is still a cool picture.  It does have some connection to the 1970 Trans Am season since Penske/Donohue used the race to test their new Javelins so it fits into this thread just fine!  That is definitely the 1970 24 hours of Daytona and it is a 1970 Ford Torino GT convertible.  Just like in 1969 with the Camaro, NASCAR had Ford build them 9 to 12 1970 Torino GT's (both convertible and fastback) to be used at the major NASCAR races for the late part of the 1969 season as well as 1970.  Here are a few more vintage pictures of the cars.

The first one shows the same car pacing the 24 hours of Daytona. 

The second one shows two of the cars used by the Charlotte Motor Speedway.

The third one shows one of the North Wilkesboro Speedway cars as it looks today.
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« Reply #214 on: August 08, 2014, 10:27:33 AM »

Agreed, just picking on Darrell a little Grin
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« Reply #215 on: August 08, 2014, 02:14:11 PM »

Speaking of Ford pace cars, I ran across this picture of a white 1972 Ford Mustang convertible being used to pace the Trans Am race held at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course in Lexington, Ohio on June 4, 1972.  It appears on page 161 of the publication entitled, "The Cars of Trans-Am Racing: 1966-1972," by David Tom.
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« Reply #216 on: October 29, 2014, 01:55:55 PM »

I just found a couple of great color pictures that show the 1972 AMC Javelin AMX that was used to pace the Mission Belle 200 Trans Am race held at Riverside International Raceway, Riverside, California on October 3, 1971.  The pictures were posted to Flickr by "Carrera RSR."  I'm not sure if this person took these photos or not but I know I have never seen them before.

Other pictures of the car can be seen on page 5 of this thread in replies #64-66 and reply 19 on page 8.  In a few of these earlier posts I mistakenly identified the car as a 1971 model, but since the race took place in October of 1971, it is probably a 1972 model since new car model years usually start in the fall.

The first picture shows the Javelin AMX on the pace lap for the over 2 liter class event while the second picture shows it pacing the under 2 liter class race.
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« Reply #217 on: October 29, 2014, 09:16:36 PM »

Very minor differences between 71 and 72 Javelin AMXs.....mainly the taillight lenses (plain red in 71, chrome 'cross-hatch' in 72) and early 71 AMXs had a silver grille (like this picture) and I believe 72 it became black.  But again, tomato, tomAto...

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