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Here's a small story on Ron Grable's '67 Dodge Dart. In '67, it was not a common thing for cars to have a full roll cage and one where the seat was connected to the cage. Ron was ahead of the curve in that regard. He was not far enough ahead to incorporate a fuel cell, however. Ron and Bob Tullius were the only two in the nation making a serious try with Chrysler products in '67. Chrysler pulled out of direct corporate involvement in Trans-Am after '66 and did not return until the '70 season. 1967 Modesto Trans-Am program
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That is a great article Jon, thanks. It was no doubt articles like this that fueled the interest in the series, and confirmed what everyone was thinking. The Trans Am was the hot series.
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Fearing these scans will be too small, nevertheless I have something to share... An obscure model car publication, this being Model Car Science. Issues to consider are the July 1970 and December 1971 copies. The July 1970 issue has a fine '69 Penske Donohue Camaro sans accessory decal markings and sporting period telemetry gear on the front hub - rather racy this. The July 1970 slot car build up is a bore, with no further period photos afforded. The December 1971 issue has quite a bit more, with some unseen photography from the initial race of the '70 season at Laguna Seca. Check out the Chapparal Camaro front and rear lips in place before they were instructed upon technical inspection to remove the nonhomologated, albeit stock spoilers. In particular, I don't think this front spoiler was ever seen again, being replaced at some point with the heralded 'unbreakable Lexan' spoiler of much broader section to see the season out. The small rear spoiler was seen briefly at Dallas before the rain out, while I have a photograph which shows the #1 Camaro at speed presumably at a test wearing the same. No stripes on the rear spoiler, whereas cutouts for pins and refueling gear is noticed. Very sorry I'm slow to understand why all this is so terribly small of scale and difficult to read, for I am not sure precisely what to do to improve matters. Anyhow, rather fun to examine in total. Thanks... Mike K.       ...left corner is actually a '70 1/2 Titus Firebird interior photo.  M.K.
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Thanks for posting those, Mike. Some very good stuff there and these modeling magazines give us a new place to look for photos and information. I had never seen the small spoilers on the Jim Hall Camaros previously. Nice to see something new and different.
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« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2012, 12:21:44 PM » |
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Another great article providing insight into the Trans-Am series, courtesy of our friend Swede70. Thanks again, Mike!  
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I was gonna send this one in too!!! Thanks for beating me to the punch!  klvn8r
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You gotta admit, its pretty funny seeing so much info on the TA Javelin.....on a CAMARO website!!!! :^)
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« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2012, 05:42:29 PM » |
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This is a GREAT page on Trans Am stuff.....I feel lucky to stilll be alive and not flamed to death over my AMC rants. I appreciate all of the attention to this. The Trans Am series was a great series for all of the manufacturers, and I love seeing it all viewed here, and not some of the old "legends" being reported as fact.
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« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2012, 01:20:10 AM » |
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From the 1969 Riverside Trans-Am program.  Bob Sanders Collection, courtesy of Robert Lodewyk
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YEAH!! Somebody else has the Car Life "Wagging the Dog" story! Could someone PLEASE post the left-out pages of the article ? I have not been able to find my copy for over a year now!  There is excellent race-to-race info that I need for an upcoming interview this month. Thanks, Ken
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I added those in for you, Ken. Sorry about the initial screw-up. From the 1969 Riverside Trans-Am program.  Bob Sanders Collection, courtesy of Robert Lodewyk
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A little insight into some of the Javelin race cars being campaigned in 1969 . This info comes the May 1969 issue of Hot Rod magazine, courtesy of Robert Byng. There is confirmation that the two different Javelins Bob Tullius drove in '69 were built by two different entities. The few paragraphs below are taken from coverage of the Citrus 250, a Nascar GT race at Daytona 2-69.   The "other" Javelin Tullius raced in '69, built by Ronnie Kaplan's shop. Ron Lathrop photo
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Thanks Jon and Swede70 for a great story to start the day! I think we can all relate to a ride along experience! Bob
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I'm starting to think that this should be titled "The T/A Camaro/Javelin Forum". :^) I've noticed that this late 1970 article/photo has NO torque arm/shock in the car, but the "restoration" of it has one now, mounted up on the driveshaft tunnel. Thoughts??
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« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2012, 09:29:36 AM » |
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No idea on the torque arm/shock. Maybe they tried it earlier in the season and it did not work as planned or was nixed by the SCCA.
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Pretty sure it was not there in 1970....the car currently has one mounted on the interior, atop the driveshaft tunnel.
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I agree, I don't believe it was there in 1970. In fact, I believe I read somewhere (I think it was a quote from Donohue) that the SCCA didn't want suspension links coming into the interior unless they were covered up (like Gurney's horizontal shocks). Ken Epsman's Posey Challenger has a very similar link coming through the center of the rear seat area and attaching to the rear of the roll cage that was not there in 1970 as well.
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« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2012, 11:43:40 PM » |
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That is a great article in SCG - thanks to Craig and John. I had not seen that before or at least didn't remember it.
I used to wonder how much slower would I be if I had a chance to drive Donohue's car? at least 3-4 seconds a lap, I'm sure. Of more interest would have been, if he had driven my old 67 and how much faster in it would he have been?
I raced agaiinst Paul at Mid-Ohio in 71 (Chaffey College camaro). It poured rain for the first half of the race, then dried up, and we only had the rain tires we started with and they were in shreds by the time the race was over. Paul was 17th qualifier and I was 20th(although qualifying was never a big deal for us - just get on the grid). That's the race I saw him driving the camaro down the road later with the dump cans etc sticking out of the rear window. I think he drove it out from CA and then back!
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You're welcome, Robert. I think that is a very good and informative article for those who are into the actual driving of the cars. No doubt that Milt was a very good driver but it is interesting to see him as part of the ARA team testing the Donohue Javelin for this test and then ARA did not stick with Milt for the '71 season. Instead they went with Peter Revson and Tony Adamowicz.
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From the March 1971 issue of Motor Sport magazine. This is the Wiggins Teape Camaro, formerly a Penske Camaro raced by Mark Donohue at Daytona to start the '68 Trans-Am season and raced by Sam Posey for Penske in mid-68. It was sold to Sam after he left the Penske team but Roger bought it back from Sam to keep in reserve as a back-up car during the '69 season. It was not used in '69 and subsequently went to England after that. It has been brought back to the U.S. and restored as the first '68 Penske car and is currently being raced by Don Lee in Historic Trans-Am.  Jon Mello Collection
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1. I don't think I have ever seen a dash with that many gauges in it. 2. I don't know when the tall spoiler made it to production, but my Van Nuys 10B 71 Z had the short spoiler.
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Fred, I think the Javelins only ran that double panel of gauges while they did testing and I believe they did a lot of testing throughout the entire '68 season trying to get the cars to handle and perform like they wanted them to.
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March 1970 CARS magazine article on the Trans-Am series, courtesy of Mike K (Swede70). The "World of Whale Racing" was first referenced by Jerry Titus in an article he penned for the April 1968 issue SCCA's "Sports Car" magazine. It can be seen in reply #7 of this thread.    
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« Reply #72 on: February 02, 2013, 02:34:48 AM » |
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« Reply #73 on: February 04, 2013, 11:06:06 AM » |
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« Reply #74 on: February 17, 2013, 01:10:32 AM » |
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« Reply #75 on: February 19, 2013, 12:57:55 AM » |
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« Reply #76 on: February 19, 2013, 11:18:04 AM » |
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So who has the Dale Sale car to-day?
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« Reply #77 on: February 19, 2013, 03:42:10 PM » |
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Based on the serial number, it is the same car now raced by Dan Lipetz in Historic Trans-Am.
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« Reply #78 on: February 19, 2013, 08:52:43 PM » |
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That's what I thought, but what is the author of the story referring to in his last paragraph?
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« Reply #79 on: February 19, 2013, 09:19:39 PM » |
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I suspect that the known history of what car Parnelli was driving as his primary car back then has evolved since that article was written back in 1987. Any Mustang guys out there that can fill us in? There are a number of us that enjoy this kind of research (i.e. what serial number of what car won what race). I am no expert on the Mustangs but do appreciate learning more about all the cars that participated in the Trans-Am series.
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« Reply #81 on: February 19, 2013, 10:36:47 PM » |
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Thanks for that link. Great info on that web site.
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« Reply #82 on: February 22, 2013, 12:34:43 AM » |
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« Reply #83 on: February 22, 2013, 01:16:51 AM » |
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« Reply #84 on: March 21, 2013, 11:46:47 PM » |
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« Reply #85 on: March 22, 2013, 12:00:03 AM » |
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