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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2011, 03:06:38 PM »
 I can think of a lot of things $195,000 with buy, and this car isn't on my list.
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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2011, 03:30:12 PM »
I have no idea what a racer which is eligible for Historic T/A racing might be worth, however I know if you want to play at Laguna Seca with the cars built by legends such as Bud Moore, Smokey Yunick, Roger Penske, and Carrol Shelby it IS GOING TO COST YA... 195k might seem like a drop in the bucket to someone who wants that experience!
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2011, 04:59:09 PM »
Very cool.

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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2011, 05:44:48 PM »
Odd looking scattershield :(
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2011, 07:26:18 AM »
Theres another one on ebay now.


Um how do you post links on this forum

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.m748&item=270753882677&viewitem=&_trkparms=clkid%3D217777782279614499

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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2011, 01:08:21 PM »
A little cheaper than the last one. But still out of my price range.
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2011, 04:30:31 AM »
This is a good looking A sedan car (no T/A history), and appears to be mostly "period correct"  I don't believe there are too many of those SCCA A sedan cars left that are racing.

Jerry Taylor in OR has a clone 67 camaro T/A car.  This is the 2nd one he has built - is asking $60 K I believe which seems like a fair price.  Jerry at one time owned the ex Leigh Gardner camro that did a few T/A races.

If you just want to play with most vintage groups a clone car will do fine.  A few years ago the trading price on a privateer T/A car was about $125 K, depending on it's state of restoration. Have no idea where prices are at in today's economy.

Some friends of mine are hoping to replicate my 67 T/A camaro.  They have a shell and some driveline parts.  It will be interesting to see what money they will have invested when they are done (not counting labour).

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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2011, 04:56:12 AM »
Robert,

I would love to see your Camaro replicated. It shouldn't cost them too much if they do it as per the original. It's when they start hanging late model engines and transmission off them that it gets out of hand.

Any pic of the progress ?

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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2011, 04:50:18 PM »
Bill Glowacki pointed out this '69 Camaro race car on craigslist to me so I'm just passing it along.
I have no idea what sort of race history it has had. It most likely never had actual Trans-Am history but you never know. It might warrant a call
and a little further research. Since it is listed in the Milwaukee area, maybe it was raced at Road America. Is anybody here familiar with the car?
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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2011, 10:06:04 PM »
Bill Glowacki pointed out this '69 Camaro race car on craigslist to me so I'm just passing it along.

I'm out of state, away from my additional information on this car, but this is another '69 Camaro that William/Bill MacFarlane road raced.  It did not have pre-1972 SCCA Trans-Am history, according to the owner I communicated with 8-10 years ago.  The car was in the same state 8-10 years ago.

If someone is interested in the car, I'd still follow up with the seller to find out more.  Don't just go on my memory. 

I should be able to add more detail by next Tuesday or Wednesday.

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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2011, 07:29:05 PM »
Just a bit more info on the '69 Camaro race car for sale in the Craigslist ad above... Provided to me in e-mail correspondence by the owner from 2001:

* No known Trans-Am history.  
* A-Sedan history only, beginning in 1979.
* William "Bill" MacFarlane race car for a couple years.
* MacFarlane sold to Fred Beuchert.  (Beuchert's name still could be seen painted on door of car in 2001)
* Fred Beuchert was a racer friend of MacFarlane, and the car frequented Summit Point.
* 2001 owner was told it had a JL8 rear before purchase, but upon receipt, it came with a Ford 9"  (2001 owner not too happy about that).
* 2001 owner was told it had "ties to Penske" before purchase, but upon additional review, none could be found.  (2001 owner not too happy about that).
* No VIN number.
* Trim tag is an early Norwood style.
* Trim tag info provided to me...
*** Norwood produced
*** Rally Green paint
*** Black vinyl top
*** Standard black interior



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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2011, 01:14:34 AM »
I believe A sedan was phased out starting in 68 and those cars were morphed into GT 1.  A friend, Al Ratcliff in Toronto, started building a 69 camaro into a Trans-Am car in the mid seventies and I drove it a few times including the 77 T/A at St. Jovite.  By then we had Category 1 and Catergory 2 cars in the same race. In 80 it was Cat 1 only. By 81 the tub cars were totally obsolete as the tube frame cars took over.  Al's car was later wrecked at Mosport after he sold it.

There was another recent 69 camaro road race car for sale recently on ebay with no known history. It was red if I remember, then later in primer.  I have emailed the seller to see what happened to it.

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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2011, 06:05:41 PM »
Hello Robert,

Indeed A-Sedan did get phased out for a while, but as I can tell, A-Sedan was at least running through 1979.  I have the 1979 SCCA General Competition Rule book, and pages 105-116 covers A-Sedan.  In 1980, the SCCA began lumping the cars together, and even provided a supplemental document to the GCRs entitled "1980 GT Category Specifications."  The 1967-69 Chevrolet Camaro is classified as GT-1 in this supplemental document.

But, if someone is interested in the Camaro from the Craigslist ad above, please do more fact checking on my bullet points.  I did not further research the material, and only pasted these details as the 2001 owner presented them to me.

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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2011, 06:20:16 PM »
And when you go someplace such as the club owned and run track at Waterford Hills, MI, you can still run A Sedan.

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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2011, 03:37:53 AM »
oops, I made a typo - I meant to say A sedan phased out in 78 but I was apparently wrong on that date.

Ron, I ran one race at Waterford Hills in 67 in a 998 mini - great track for a small bore car.  It happened to be on the same wknd. as the Detroit riots - on the way home we wondered what all the smoke plumes were coming out of downtown Detroit as we headed to either the bridge or the tunnel.

My engine guy Brian also brought his 327 4 dr . biscayne that weekend and we checked out Woodward Ave.  Brian was badly outgunned with his puny 275 hp biscayne that he used to drag race I think in something like H stock.

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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2011, 08:34:39 AM »
Great story, Robert!
Mine was free tickets to a Red Sox game and a "friend" in the office on Cape Cod (who lived in Boston) sent me through Roxbury to get Fenway the day after the riots.

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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2011, 03:01:10 PM »
A Sedan was phased out at the conclusion of the 1979 racing season.   My father, who had raced in A Sedan since 1974, was the first GT1 National Champion in 1980 in his 1969 Camaro...  In 1980, the GT1 class consisted of former A Sedan class cars.  

In 1981, B Production was combined into the GT1 class - making GT1 a combination of the former A Sedan and the former B Production cars.  My father finished 3rd in the 1981 GT1 National Championship runoffs in his 1969 Camaro.

My father won the June Sprints in A Sedan in 1977 and 1979, and won the June Sprints in GT1 in 1981, all in his 1969 Camaro.  He had previously won the June Sprints in B Production in 1968 and 1969 in his 1963 Corvette. 

He finished 2nd in the June Sprints in B Production in 1970 (1963 Corvette), in 1971 (1963 Corvette), in 1973 (1968 Corvette), in A Sedan in 1978 (1969 Camaro), in GT1 in 1988 (1987 Pontiac Firebird), in 1989 (1987 Pontiac Firebird)   

He finished 3rd in the June Sprints in B Modified in 1960 (Edwards Special), in B Production in 1972 (1963 Corvette), in GT1 in 1983 (1969 Camaro), in 1992 (1991 Camaro).

All together, he raced in 45 June Sprints races...


The current A Sedan class bears no relation to the original A Sedan class.  Completely different rules apply to the current class...
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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2011, 07:20:49 PM »
Ok you guys, if you want to play with the west coast boys, the 1969 ex Jerry Petersen T/A camaro is on ebay for a cool "buy it now" of only $132,600!  Lance Smith is the current owner.

Jerry was one of the guys I got to know a bit at the track  - a lawyer guy from the Cleveland area. I qualified one spot ahead of him at the 72 WG race but had a dnf - to this day I can't remember why!

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« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2011, 08:36:15 PM »
Thanks for posting that, Robert.

Clicking here will take you directly to the auction.

Here are some vintage photos of the Jerry Petersen car...


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For more information, Contact: Lance Smith, San Diego, CA
215-880-7622, 619-523-2009 shop
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UPDATE: LOOKS LIKE IT SOLD FOR $110K
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« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2011, 08:52:58 AM »
Nice photos of Jerry's car - you can see the MH he used to come to the track with - not too many of them in the paddock in those days.  Looks like the photos were taken at Watkins Glen.  The crowds were getting sparse in 72 as the factories were gone, although still lots of privateer guys.

Just realized I quoted the auction price in Canadian dollars, as that is what comes thru in my thread, since I'm north of the border.

Al Richards (my car owner) just advised me that he remembers we had oil pump problems that resulted in engine failure at the Glen.  That was the last race for the old 67 camaro.  Al retired the car and it was sold to a stock car guy who went oval racing with it.

At about the same time, Rick Stevens and I purchased the ex Alfie Ruys de Perez 69 T/A camaro and went IMSA Camel GT racing.

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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2011, 06:03:19 AM »
Robert,

Do you recall Bob Christiansen's '69 Z28..  also raced in the Camet GT series (gray/black car wtih R.A.C.E.  for Robert A Christianson Enterprises on it?   He was an independent racer from the Huntsville, AL area (an engineer for IBM in those days?)...
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« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2011, 02:16:10 AM »
I remember the name but we only did 3 Camel Gt's in 72, so did not meet him.  Rick later did 1 or 2 of those races in his 1293 Cooper S at Talledega.

Is that car alive somewhere?

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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2011, 03:31:40 AM »
Bob raced that 69 Z28 car in Camel GT until it was too old (I don't recall what year that was..  sometime in mid 70's?), then he upgraded to a 73 camaro, and sold the '69 to Ossie Delay in Atlanta area, who then sold it to Denny Rigdon (alpharetta), who sold it to someone in Chattanooga, TN around '79 or 80?.   I have been unable to track down the car after that...  as I don't have a name of the buyer in Chattanooga..
Bob was transferred to Lexington, KY by IBM, and now is retired in that area, but as of a year or two ago, he still had an amazing memory of the cars and the racing of that era.

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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2012, 12:10:03 AM »
I have decided to put my TA Camaro up for sale..something else followed me home and I just can't keep them all.  If anyone wanted to get involved with the BEST vintage racing group, you can't beat the HTA group.

Here's the link:

http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/1199-Chevrolet-Camaro%20SS/RS-302%20c.i.%208-Cylinder
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« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2012, 08:56:27 PM »
Lots of good parts and pieces, but where is the fuel cell? Can't race it without a cell unless some vintage groups allow it.

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« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2012, 09:37:26 PM »
Lots of good parts and pieces, but where is the fuel cell? Can't race it without a cell unless some vintage groups allow it.

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Fun car to open track, very nicely done, as always, by McGee (they maintain my car) but it's not going to get into any top tier events due to it's lack of period history...and fuel cell.
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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2012, 09:38:28 PM »
Robert,
Anything you recall about racing with Petersen would be great. I bought the car from Lance, and hope to have it out at the PreReunion/Reunion as well as Coronado this year.
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« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2012, 04:32:44 AM »
Hi Alex,

Jerry is a lawyer in the Cleveland area and you can probably find him thru Google.  I did speak to him briefly a few years ago but did not keep his number.

He was one of those guys who we met in the paddock and had some rapport with.  When you go to the track you are busy doing your own thing, so you don't get to meet everyone.  He had a motorhome which was not common in those days, especially for a privateer guy.

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« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2012, 06:58:43 AM »
There's one on Ebay too; with lots of detailed photos...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/?cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649&item=250993328889&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

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That car is a "tribute" as it states in the ad twice. It will get no closer than the spectator parking lot. ;D
Very sad that the seller tries to use Mr. Dick Guldstrand's name but can't spell it correctly. :'(
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« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2012, 05:46:18 PM »
Just a heads-up as pointed out to me by Robert Barg. Ebay auction number 120917443936 has a '67 Camaro race car for sale. This car was given a Historic Trans-Am plaque many years ago and only the person who issued that plaque can explain why. The car never raced in Trans-Am in the 1972 and earlier era and as such is not eligible to race with other Historic Trans-Am cars at tracks on the West Coast like those at Laguna Seca and Sears Point. Do not bid on the car if you are hoping to run it in Historic Trans-Am on the West Coast. If you are wanting it to race in events run by other organizations such as VARA and SVRA, it seems as though it may be eligible for those. For those that care about such things, the VIN indicates it was originally a 6-cylinder car.
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« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2012, 03:31:40 AM »
Thanks for the heads-up Jon. It is a nice looking Camaro though and the restoration looks good. I guess the price reflects that it can't race in Historic Trans-Am. it'd possibly be double the 65K Buy Now price if it could, wouldn't it? 

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« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2012, 01:29:27 PM »
Steve, yes it would be at least double that price if it were eligible for Historic Trans-Am.
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« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2012, 12:29:26 PM »
Jon,
In regards to the Historic Trans-Am plaque I'm confused.  I too have seen these plaques in a couple of cars that I didn't believe should have them.  I thought you had to have PROOF before you were handed one?

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« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2012, 01:52:27 PM »
The 1980 calender picture in the ebay auction was taken at IRP.  Chip Boatwright (sp) was the driver when the picture was taken.

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« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2012, 07:15:03 PM »
Jon,
In regards to the Historic Trans-Am plaque I'm confused.  I too have seen these plaques in a couple of cars that I didn't believe should have them.  I thought you had to have PROOF before you were handed one?

Mike

Yes, unfortunately there are some cars that got into the HTA Registry, especially in the early going, that really don't belong there (in the minds of many). Part of the wording on the registry certificate says that a car could be certified if it "..was a participant in SCCA Trans American Sedan Championship, A-Sedan, or FIA Group II sanctioned races during the years of 1966 through 1972." That is really where the conflict lies. The Registry plaque does not specify that detail in any way. It's confusing and unfortunate but that's the way it is. A car having an HTA Registry certificate and plaque is not automatically eligible for racing in the Historic Trans-Am group. The HTA Registry and the Historic Trans-Am racing group are two completely separate entities.
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« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2012, 12:56:32 AM »
Thanks for clearing that up Jon.  I thought it was one group.

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« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2012, 12:18:45 PM »
Very understandable to make that assumption and in the early going they essentially were connected to one another. Now, that is not the case. Probably there should be a name change to differentiate one from the other but I don't see it happening.
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« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2012, 07:43:29 PM »
I have always been under the impression that the plaques were done by David Tom;  isn't he involved in the HTA group?   Keep in mind, most T/A fields were filled by A/S cars....there were only about a half dozen of the "factory" teams each year.   But I understand your point...

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« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2012, 07:54:23 PM »
Yes, the plaques and the registry itself are done by David Tom. At one time, he was involved with the Historic Trans-Am group but he hasn't been involved for a number of years now. The Historic Trans-Am racing group was set up to showcase the cars that did actually compete in the Trans-Am series from '66-'72, not the cars that could have but didn't. That's the difference.
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« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2012, 02:56:50 PM »
Phelon Motorsports Auction 7-10-12
 Originally listed as a Dick Hoffman car, later only as:
     Lot Description:
1970 Chevy Camaro; Yellow; SVRA Historic Badge 6-0126; Historic Trans American Sedan Registry TA-022; SCCA Trans AM Brass Tag 79-258; Steel Head/Block 310 Cubic Inch Roller Cam; Holley 750 CFM Carburetor; 4 Speed Richmond T-10 Super Duty Transmission; 4:00 Rear Gear; Corvette Calipers Front and Rea

Bid to $48,000
https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=1683&aid=54445&lid=13833507#topoflot

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« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2012, 06:02:05 PM »
I believe this is the 2nd Hoffman 70 T/A camaro built which he raced in 72.  I owned and raced the 1st 70 Hoffman T/A camaro in 80.  Last I heard, and that was some time ago, it was listed for sale with Dale Phelon Motorspots.  I have just learned that Dale Phelon is recently deceased and his race cars are being auctioned.

The above car would be a very reasonable price to pay to run with the west coast HTA group if it gets sold for near that bid price.

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« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2012, 08:13:44 PM »
Robert,

This car is the first Hoffman car and thus the same one you owned in the 1980-1986 timeframe. This car was raced by Hoffman in 1971 at Edmonton, Donnybrooke and Michigan and John Greenwood had some involvement with this car.
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« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2012, 08:43:30 PM »
Thanks for setting me straight on that. Yes, Dick told me that Greenwood had purchased a half interest in the car at some point, but not sure how long that lasted. They showed up at the Glen, were "tubed", and found to have a 350 ci engine and had to load it on the trailer - doubt that they were the only ones to try this!  So where is the 2nd car these days?

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« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2012, 01:18:44 AM »
Its a sad tale about Dale Phelon. 
The auction house seemed to be very apprehensive about releasing any information about the car before the bidding began.
Maybe we will eventually see the car in the west coast group.....
How about it Robert? It would be nice to rekindle an old friendship with that car!

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« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2012, 02:30:41 AM »
Robert,

Lance Smith owns the second 2nd-gen Camaro that Dick Hoffman built and raced during the '72 Trans-Am season.
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« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2012, 06:32:56 PM »
Did this car sell?  When I ran it in 80 it was slightly rebodied in the front to look like a 75.  The engine was a 327 out to 331, still with stock cylinder heads, and for some reason had been built with big block rods.  It handled very well but had some brake issues with the silicone fluid of the day - especially at Westwood with a tight hairpin at the end of the back straight - the pedal would start to go down to the floor and I had to pump it. I was told it was related to compressibility of the fluid?  We did have a water injection system for the front brakes which helped cooling.

We did not have the correct rear axle ratio - especially for Hallet and Laguna - should have had a 4:56. After missing most of the qalifying at Laguna because of shifter problems, I did a few warn-up laps on the Sunday morning and got into the 14's - would have been in the top ten Q group for the T/A race in 70 with that old car - it was way out-dated for the T/A in 80 which was run for Category I cars.

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« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2012, 06:58:12 PM »
Robert,

My understanding is that the car sold for $48K but maybe somebody knows different. Below is a picture of the car from the late '70s when Cam Champion owned it. The second photo is from 1991 when an early style front end had been put back on the car.
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« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2012, 01:46:12 AM »
Not sure about it being sold, found this on the Auctioneer's Internet website:

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« Reply #51 on: August 08, 2012, 02:11:43 AM »
Thanks. Can you tell us who the driver of the car was when it was raced back in the '70s and early '80s?

"A real 1969 Z/28, Raced 1973-1981. SCCA A/S, Imsa 1978, GT-1 to 1981. Runoffs 80-81, Professionally restored, all period parts still on car.  Original builder / driver , crew chief from 79-81 available. Many photo's and documents included.
  SCCA roll bar number, original Vin tag on car.
Some spares, two extra sets of wheels, steel and whats on car. 302 dz block. orig parts...
  Sold as is, may cancel any time item for sale other locations."

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« Reply #52 on: August 19, 2012, 03:41:55 AM »
Greenwood / Hoffman car is sold.  Will be going to west coast next year.

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« Reply #53 on: August 20, 2012, 05:16:45 AM »
Thanks for the update. It is greatly appreciated.
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« Reply #54 on: August 22, 2012, 03:42:26 AM »
Have just learned that Bob Morton (Seattle) will put up for sale the ex Kenny Deckman #18 67 camaro - he is the 2nd owner since the mid eighties.  Kenny entered 19 T/A races from 67 to 77 according to ultimateracinghistory.com  It was also raced in the PNW with the ICSCC group.  I last saw Kenny racing the car at Pacific Raceways in 1980.  This is probably one of the most original early T/A cars you will find.

He also is selling a 67 SCCA  A sedan that he restored - history unkown but out of CA I believe.

Bob says after 40 years of racing it is time to call it a day.

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« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2012, 08:14:43 PM »
Greenwood / Hoffman 1971 Camaro
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« Reply #56 on: August 22, 2012, 10:32:47 PM »
Nice picture of the car. Thanks for posting it. Will you have it returned to that paint scheme by then?
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« Reply #57 on: August 23, 2012, 01:12:51 AM »
Yes, it we be done in the stars and strips scheme in time to race Sebring in December. 

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« Reply #58 on: August 23, 2012, 03:17:39 PM »
Glad to hear it. Thanks.
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« Reply #59 on: September 25, 2012, 03:04:32 AM »
Does anyone know if the Kar Kraft 70 Mustang T/A car raced by Peter Gregg in 71 was sold at the Mecum Monterey auction?  and if so, for how much?  This car crunched my passenger door in at the 71 Lime Rock T/A, but not on the track.  After the race was over, Peter ran into me in the paddock not looking where he was going.

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« Reply #60 on: September 25, 2012, 03:38:34 AM »
Hello Robert,

Near the bottom of this page has some detail on the Peter Gregg Bud Moore Boss (Body-in-White #11971), and it's most recent time at auction.

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« Reply #61 on: October 04, 2012, 10:36:43 PM »
Just out of the paint room,  going to Sebring end of the month.

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« Reply #62 on: October 05, 2012, 03:34:06 PM »
Thanks for the update. I'm glad to see it returning to it's original livery and I hope you are able to find some detailed enough pictures so you can get it done exactly as it was. Have a great time with it at Sebring.
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« Reply #63 on: October 06, 2012, 06:02:08 AM »
I received some information on a '68 Camaro that has come up for sale. The claim is that this is
the '68 Z/28 Camaro that was driven by John Ware in the 1970 and 1971 Riverside Trans-Am
races and, from what I have been told, there is some documentation that comes with the car.
You will want to do your own homework to be certain the car is what it is claimed to be.

Update 10-19-12, the car has been sold to Craig Conley of the Historic Trans-Am group.
Update 1-5-13, the car has been sold to Karman Cusack.





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« Reply #64 on: October 16, 2012, 03:03:28 AM »
The #28 Camaro was raced by Vincent Scavo at the 1980 and 1981 Road Atlanta Runoffs...  It finished 9th in 1980 and 18th (dnf) in 1981.

Thanks. Can you tell us who the driver of the car was when it was raced back in the '70s and early '80s?

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  SCCA roll bar number, original Vin tag on car.
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« Reply #65 on: October 20, 2012, 04:30:20 PM »
Gary Morgan's '67 Z-28 race car is up for auction in this ebay ad (#281003581836)
This car is the 17th Z-28 built, a very early example.

The seller's ID is rkmotorscharlotte and more info is available at rkmotorscharlotte.com

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« Reply #66 on: October 22, 2012, 05:40:51 PM »
Just AS, no TA history right?  Beautiful restoration and very cool car.
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« Reply #67 on: October 22, 2012, 07:05:48 PM »
It entered the Lime Rock Trans-Am in '67 but "did not start" (DNS) due to overheating issues and it ran in the '67 Mid-Ohio Trans-Am but "did not finish" (DNF) also due to overheating issues which fried a couple of pistons. After those two Trans-Am events, it stuck with A/Sedan.

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« Reply #68 on: October 22, 2012, 09:09:52 PM »
Would love to see it back on the track.
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« Reply #69 on: October 23, 2012, 12:12:39 AM »
I agree. That would be great. So when are you buying it, John?  ;D
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« Reply #70 on: October 23, 2012, 02:56:44 AM »
I already have a perfectly good Camaro. 8)

It's a shame about the auto meter gauges & other modern pieces.  As pretty as she is and unless anything has changed since the last auction block crossing, it's a long way from being properly set up to vintage race.  I was a bidder but it went for more than I was wiling to pay for it.
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« Reply #71 on: October 23, 2012, 03:33:37 AM »
Jon,

Besides salesmanship... any idea what this means?

"And the result is this 302 cubic inch mill which, in addition to being original to the car, is thought to be the last prototype 302 in existence and the only prototype 302 ever displayed to the public."

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« Reply #72 on: October 23, 2012, 03:10:38 PM »
Fred,

A large part of it is salesmanship. I have the original block for the Bud Gates '67 Z-28 race car which is also one of the first 25 Z-28s built so it is not the only early block in existence. Gary Morgan still had the original block in his possession but was asked if he would loan it out to the then current owner who wanted to display it with the car at a show (I forget which show off the top of my head). It was only on loan and yet was never returned to Gary. As you can imagine, Gary is still pretty upset about it. It might be the only very early block displayed to the public other than when the cars were new but is not the only one in existence. There is another very early block that exists but we are not certain yet if it belongs to one of the first 25 cars. By the way, these first 25 cars were not prototypes, nor pre-production. They should just be considered early production and that's it.
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« Reply #73 on: October 24, 2012, 04:12:40 AM »
Thanks Jon, that's what I was expecting. The use of prototype in general, and that the car is #17 so how could it be the last one really didn't make sense other than enthusiastic writing. I agree, I'd consider the first 25 early production models and the only prototype I know of would be 13M 640, although there may be another possibility. Sad to hear how Gary was taken on that deal. That's just a reminder that no good deed goes unpunished.

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« Reply #74 on: October 24, 2012, 08:17:20 PM »
Greenwood / Hoffman 1971 Camaro
Will be at Monterey 2013
Always looking for more pictures of my car,  raced 1971 TA series with Dick Hoffman driver.

Wow, I love the stars and stripes Greenwood paint scheme on the Camaro! I've never seen this car before, but always wondered how this colour scheme would look on a Camaro. Its fantastic!

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« Reply #75 on: October 28, 2012, 05:59:12 PM »
Check the "Buy it Now" for the Morgan camaro - are they dreaming?

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« Reply #76 on: October 28, 2012, 07:41:57 PM »
Robert, that Buy-it-Now price of $299,900 for Gary's old car is out of line in today's market. It did actually sell at a Barrett-Jackson auction for over $300K back in 2006 but the market was at its peak back then and who knows when (if ever) we might see those kinds of prices again.
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« Reply #77 on: November 08, 2012, 02:32:46 AM »
For 500 K you can buy the T/A Challenger listed on the Hemmings site.

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« Reply #78 on: November 08, 2012, 10:49:46 PM »
I'd do a BUNCH of research on that Challenger to confirm it's what it claims to be before I'd even think of a price.
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« Reply #79 on: November 09, 2012, 01:56:34 AM »
Thanks for your thoughts and advice, Mike.

In general, anybody hoping to buy a car hoping to race it with a particular race group or organization should check with that group in advance to verify the car's eligibility before making a potential purchase.

Here's a link to the Hemmings ad.
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« Reply #80 on: November 09, 2012, 05:13:43 PM »
Agree with Jon and Cuda48...do your due diligence
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« Reply #81 on: December 12, 2012, 09:53:25 PM »
Robert,

My understanding is that the car sold for $48K but maybe somebody knows different. Below is a picture of the car from the late '70s when Cam Champion owned it. The second photo is from 1991 when an early style front end had been put back on the car.

If the 1st Hoffman car was painted blue with white stripes in 1991, then it must have been painted yellow by the next year because I took a picture of the car back in July 1992 during my annual trip to the Vintage Races at Road America.  You can see the Jeff Jacobs signature on the roof.

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« Reply #82 on: December 18, 2012, 05:16:22 PM »
Just FYI-The #57 Z/28 TA racer is back on ebay, this time with no BIN.  Someone rescue her from auction/ebay hell and get her on the track.
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« Reply #83 on: December 18, 2012, 07:59:34 PM »
I sure wish I could afford to own it. Here's a link to the current ebay auction, #281039702945.
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« Reply #84 on: December 18, 2012, 11:43:02 PM »
I sure wish I could afford to own it. Here's a link to the current ebay auction, #281039702945.

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I'm surprised that the car doesn't have subframe connectors.
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« Reply #85 on: December 19, 2012, 01:37:46 PM »
Subframe connectors were not allowed on Trans-Am cars but the roll cages that tie into the frames act to make the whole car a pretty solid unit. There are about 4 cars that I have observed that are running in the Historic Trans-Am group that have had subframe connectors added to them and it's my personal opinion that they should be removed.
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« Reply #86 on: December 21, 2012, 05:10:48 PM »
Subframe connectors were not allowed on Trans-Am cars but the roll cages that tie into the frames act to make the whole car a pretty solid unit. There are about 4 cars that I have observed that are running in the Historic Trans-Am group that have had subframe connectors added to them and it's my personal opinion that they should be removed.

Tying everything together with a PROPERLY installed cage will yield a very solid structure without screwing anything up. I was offered a 25k mile RS COPO which had been drag raced it's whole life, but never cut up. The car had a very clean cage installation in the late 70's and was not twisted or cracked in the seams. It launched very straight and despite running mid 9 sec 1/4's and pulling the fronts off the ground 20+ inches the car was very true with very consistent in panel gaps etc.
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« Reply #87 on: December 23, 2012, 04:59:29 PM »
I sure wish I could afford to own it. Here's a link to the current ebay auction, #281039702945.
What is this car worth today? 

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« Reply #88 on: December 23, 2012, 08:26:54 PM »
It was bought for $324K at the Palm Beach Barrett-Jackson auction in 2006 and I don't believe it would get even half that nowadays. If you got down to a third of the 2006 price I think it would sell so it would seem that the true value of the car is somewhere in between.
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« Reply #89 on: December 23, 2012, 08:47:04 PM »
It was bought for $324K at the Palm Beach Barrett-Jackson auction in 2006 and I don't believe it would get even half that nowadays. If you got down to a third of the 2006 price I think it would sell so it would seem that the true value of the car is somewhere in between.
How much would it cost to get it historic T/A racing?

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« Reply #90 on: December 24, 2012, 12:29:48 AM »
It wouldn't seem to take too much to make it track worthy but the brakes are not correct and would need to be changed. For some reason single piston GM calipers were used front and rear, which is wrong. If somebody was truly interested in buying this car and running it in the Historic Trans-Am group, they should contact Tom McIntyre and/or Ken Epsman from that group and seek their counsel in terms of what would need to be corrected or upgraded.
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« Reply #91 on: January 02, 2013, 06:34:30 AM »
Very surprised to see that it was only bid up to 25K - sign of the economic times? or the limited T/A race history?  Certainly looked very clean and race ready.

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« Reply #92 on: January 02, 2013, 02:58:37 PM »
I think people know the seller is shooting for the moon on what they really want for the car and so they are not bothering to bid. If the car is going to sell, it won't be on ebay.
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« Reply #93 on: January 28, 2013, 05:22:23 AM »
Here is another 67 camaro on ebay #300852363839 with a 742 HP alloy small block - wow!  Seller says it is a vintage race car.

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« Reply #94 on: January 28, 2013, 05:42:16 AM »
Here's a link to the auction. I have no knowledge of the car or the owner. Very doubtful it's a car that raced back in the '60s and '70s but it might be worth looking into further.

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« Reply #96 on: January 29, 2013, 04:18:35 AM »
Thanks for pointing it out, John.  That car has run with the other West Coast Historic Trans-Am cars for a number of years now, most recently by Bill Bryan.
Asking price of $329,500 might be tough to achieve in this economy but I guess we'll see what happens.
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« Reply #98 on: February 27, 2013, 05:34:04 AM »
I think we're going to see that car for sale for a long time until they take a fair sized chunk off that price.
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« Reply #99 on: March 14, 2013, 07:02:52 PM »
Hi Guys, I have just joined and wanted to reach out to the group in an effort of maybe getting some help. I know that this car was posted here before when it was for sale. I have recently purchased the car and it came with quite a bit of documentation. It ran the Riverside Trans Am races in 70 and 71. The car was run by John Ware and John Ware Jr. I am looking for pictures and contact information on anybody who might have had involvement with the car.
We ran the car at Sebring Vintage event a couple of weeks ago and performed quite well.
I am going to take it back to period specs and would love to locate a couple of pictures of it at Riverside. 
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« Reply #100 on: March 15, 2013, 12:33:37 AM »
Congrats on your purchase. Nice to see an old warrior back on the track.  Any chance it will come to the west coast races this year?

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« Reply #101 on: March 15, 2013, 02:52:41 AM »
Thank you Yes I plan on it. Hoping to get invited to Monterey, we have filled out the necessary paperwork and supplied the documentation. We are anticipating the Pre Historics and the Historics.  I also understand that there is an event in June that's possible. As you can tell there is some work that needs to be done prior to running in the HTA group. But what ever it takes. The Car has some neat parts on it and I do not plan on a total restoration.

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« Reply #102 on: March 15, 2013, 05:11:57 AM »
I'm glad you got the car and are excited about making it more period correct so that you can run it with the Historic Trans-Am group, especially since the car was based in California back in that classic late '60s and early '70s era. I look forward to meeting you in person and getting a look at the car at one of the West Coast event. Congratulations on your purchase.
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« Reply #103 on: March 15, 2013, 03:18:51 PM »
Thank you Jon, Me too. I appreciate all the help I have been given by you and the group and look forward to continuing my research. The chain of ownership is clean and I want to keep it as original as possible. Some of the documentation indicates it was one of three cars prepared at Dick Guldstands shop for Ware, Greg Pickett and Guldstrand himself. It still has some of the trick parts the Ware's bought from Penske when he switched to AMC including the negative Camber Jim Hall rear end. Any and all help is welcome. If I could just locate a couple of more pictures. Does anyone know Peter Boyd and if so how he can be reached? I'm sorry I am new to this and am quickly learning the various players.
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« Reply #104 on: March 15, 2013, 05:51:24 PM »
Neat car...welcome to the TA group.
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« Reply #105 on: March 16, 2013, 05:57:19 AM »
Sorry, Karman. I don't know Peter and I don't currently have any pictures of your car that you haven't already seen but I'm always on the lookout for vintage pics.
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« Reply #106 on: March 16, 2013, 12:53:49 PM »
Thanks, I know it's challenging. I have reached out to Rick Ware in hopes of his family have a few shots of the car. Also one of the sponsors of the day so we will see......The search continues.

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« Reply #107 on: March 22, 2013, 02:47:58 AM »
We received our acceptance email from the Monterey Historics group. The car will be at Monterey.  After the Mitty in April the work begins to get it back into period shape.  Quite an honor to be accepted in the group. It won't stop there, the search continues for additional information. Thank you to all who have assisted.

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« Reply #108 on: March 22, 2013, 05:12:31 AM »
Karman, congratulations on being accepted to Monterey. That's not a slam dunk by any means. I look forward to
meeting you and seeing the car there. Sounds like you won't be going to the Sonoma Historics.
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« Reply #109 on: March 22, 2013, 11:53:07 AM »
Good Morning Jon,
I know it's great, this old independent car being accepted to run with so many well known cars just like back in the day. I'm looking forward to it. We are going to do what ever it takes to make it right, but I do not want to do a full restoration...not yet anyway..the patina is just too classic.
I would like to go to Sonoma but it depends on how quickly I can get the car prepared.  We will see. I look forward to meeting you and the others as well.


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« Reply #110 on: March 22, 2013, 01:54:54 PM »
Karman,
Did I understand you to say that you're going to run it in the Walter Mitty (Road Atlanta)?
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« Reply #111 on: March 22, 2013, 05:26:03 PM »
Karman,
Look forward to running with you in Monterey, and hopefully we'll see you in Sonoma as well.
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« Reply #112 on: March 23, 2013, 03:02:23 PM »
Thanks Alex,  Me too.  Yes Gary  we will be running the car at the Walter Mitty next month then bringing back to start working on getting back in shape for the California group.

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« Reply #113 on: March 23, 2013, 08:12:11 PM »
Karman,

Any plans on bringing it up to Road America for The HAWK with Brian Redman (Vintage Cars) July 18-21st??  If not this year if the car is being worked on, but maybe next year.  I would love to see it rumble through the streets of Elkhart Lake on the way to the race car concours on the grounds of Osthoff Resort and then on  track at Road America.

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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #114 on: March 25, 2013, 03:37:42 AM »
Jerry Lagod T/A camaro now on Racing Junk #181760455 for only 95K - raced against it a few times.

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« Reply #115 on: March 25, 2013, 05:25:27 AM »
Here's a direct link.

This car started life as a '68 Camaro and was reskinned as a '69 for the '71 season. You can see pics of it as
a '68 if you look at the 1969 Wolverine Trans-Am thread on this forum.
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« Reply #116 on: March 25, 2013, 01:43:40 PM »
Just as info: The reason this car was reskinned was because of an accident at a National at Meadowdale. It was raining heavily and Jerry crashed on the front straight of the short course. He made an attempt at straightening the car, but the damage (mostly tree damage) was too severe.

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« Reply #117 on: March 27, 2013, 04:24:36 AM »
i noticed that the "Lagod #44 car" in the pix with the blonde has the American Racing 'TA-70' 6 spokes magnesium wheels on it... :)
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« Reply #118 on: March 27, 2013, 01:36:44 PM »
A few more pics of the Lagod Camaro.

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« Reply #119 on: March 27, 2013, 07:59:21 PM »
When the car was sponsored by Dupli-Color many components were painted different colors to advertise the Dupli-Color brand. The differential was purple if I remember correctly. The grill surround was tan. This picture is not from the Mike Jarchow collection.

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« Reply #120 on: March 28, 2013, 05:18:05 AM »
Thanks for posting the photos, Mike. I see a Motorsports Research decal on the front fender behind the tire.
Were Jim Swan and his company involved with the build of the car or possibly the engine for it?
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« Reply #121 on: March 29, 2013, 04:26:21 PM »
This looks like a great car.  Yes Scott I am originally from the Chicago area and practially grew up at Road America. I will be at Road America for the Hawk but not sure if the car will be ready.  Another bit of news is I have finally been in contact wiht the original owner's son. Rick Ware of Rick Ware Racing and he also drove the car back in the day. It was his father who drove in the Trans Am races.  Great conversation and he has several pics he said he would share. I'm pretty excited. He told me that all the sheet metal is original and the car has never been wrecked. I am anxious to get back from my honey moon and get to work on this....yikes! Mater of fact Rick called when I was due in the court house USVI and she had to come out and get me. Pretty hilarious.To me anyway.  This will make bring the car back much easier.
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« Reply #122 on: March 29, 2013, 06:19:45 PM »
Thanks for posting the photos, Mike. I see a Motorsports Research decal on the front fender behind the tire.
Were Jim Swan and his company involved with the build of the car or possibly the engine for it?

Jon, I'm not sure about the Motorsports Research involvement.

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« Reply #123 on: March 29, 2013, 10:24:23 PM »
Thanks, Mike.

Karman, I have pointed the car out to three people specifically but I have not heard if anyone has made a serious play on it yet. To me, it looks like a pretty good deal. Just my opinion. That is really cool that you made contact with Rick Ware. I look forward to seeing and hearing what you find out as you converse with him more.
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« Reply #124 on: March 30, 2013, 07:21:52 PM »
Hey Karman,

Great writeup on your car in May's edition of Hemmings Muscle Machine. It's always nice to know the story behind the car. Good luck in your future endeavors.
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« Reply #125 on: March 30, 2013, 11:31:01 PM »
Hi Rick,  Thanks I was wondering when it was coming out.  Great can't wait to see it.

Jon I was wondering about it. It seems like a great deal to me. Price of entry on this is resonable if it checks out.
It may be worth it to have a buddy of mine go look at it.

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« Reply #126 on: March 31, 2013, 05:24:51 AM »
Karman, that's neat you got your car in print already. I don't subscribe to Hemming Muscle Machines but maybe I should start.

As for the Jerry Lagod car, if you have an interest in it and can send a friend to check it out, it may well be worth doing.
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« Reply #127 on: March 31, 2013, 04:50:20 PM »
Some more interesting stuff on Racing Junk - under Vintage Road Racing

MD seat  #181775063

69 camaro #181769125

67 camaro  #181769091

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« Reply #129 on: April 01, 2013, 05:59:33 PM »
Had one of those MD seats in the ex Alfie Ruys de Perez 69 camaro that Rick and I got from him.  Sure felt strange at first but got used ot it - lots of support.  Not sure how many vintage T/A cars
are using them now or if even legal but I do see some of those early basic buckets being used.

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« Reply #130 on: April 02, 2013, 01:00:03 AM »
HI Jon,
I have contacted the owner of the Lagod Camaro and he will be forwarding me additional information on the car. It appears that it has been sitting since 86 but it's still all there. I'll keep you posted. Or maybe someone here has already been in touch with him. Either way seems like it might be a good deal if it all cheks out.

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« Reply #131 on: April 02, 2013, 11:52:47 PM »
Thanks, Karman. I'm looking forward to hearing further details from you. Intertesting car, no doubt.
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« Reply #132 on: April 04, 2013, 10:47:13 AM »
Here is some preliminary information i received yesterday.  I have some pictures of what the car looks like today along with the spares included. Not sure how to post them.

The car is still owned by Jerry Lagod, Iím just helping him sell it. Here is the quick story. Jerry bought the car brand new in 1968, proceeded to make it a race car, never drove it on the street. He ran Trans-Am and SCCA nationals and maybe some other stuff from 1968-1972. The car then sat in his garage till about 1987 when his son, Max, decided he wanted to race. Max went through the car and ran it in locally a few times in 1988. They decided to get a tube chassis car instead and this car has been sitting in the garage since. Max passed away 2 years ago and lost interest in all his race cars. The car was put away running, however, since it has been sitting for so long, Iíd at least check some of the major components. If you need more information, Iíll be glad to forward your number to Jerry.

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« Reply #133 on: April 05, 2013, 05:11:05 AM »
Karman, if you email them to me I can post them for you.
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« Reply #136 on: May 13, 2013, 08:16:50 PM »
The fuel filler is a nice recreation of the original. Pretty odd to see a pair of stock seats (minus headrests) in there but I guess it's purely street driven.
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« Reply #137 on: August 14, 2013, 03:18:41 PM »
....or a very nice A-Sedan car.. ;)    I've reduced the price on my '69 Camaro...  Hemmings online ad #1575354.....    My brother redid a smallblock Corvette that is at Monterey this year. He'll be there crewing for the owner/driver Steve Cole #44,  give him a shout...   Thanks,  Ken

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« Reply #139 on: October 05, 2013, 09:14:54 PM »
Thanks for posting that, Tim.  Interesting car with a photographic trail back to almost day 1.

Not a known Trans-Am car that I can tell but does appear to have done A/Sedan and gymkhana/
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« Reply #140 on: October 13, 2013, 03:10:24 PM »
This '68 Z has been bought by one of our forum members, which I think is terrific. In due time we'll be able to see more pictures and learn more about the history of the car.
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« Reply #142 on: October 31, 2013, 11:18:03 PM »
That is a project and a half but there are some interesting bits and pieces there.
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« Reply #143 on: November 01, 2013, 12:40:06 AM »
The floors don't appear very rusty ;D
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« Reply #144 on: November 01, 2013, 01:12:02 AM »
Owner said it was in a structure fire! What would you do with it other than a rebody job? I wouldn't think the cage would be any good after being heated in a fire.

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« Reply #145 on: November 05, 2013, 04:36:48 PM »
That #9 69 camaro listed earlier on Racing Junk has been relisted - same price but now showing a lap time of 2:27.2 at RA.  That is a smokin' hot lap time.

I suspect a "modernized" car with a big small block and/or a pro driver.

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« Reply #146 on: November 06, 2013, 05:14:29 AM »
That does not appear to be a car with Trans-Am history but A/Sedan history going back to 1971 is not bad.
Here's the link... http://www.racingjunk.com/Vintage/182015187/1969-Camaro-SVRA-VSCDA-HSR.html
George Follmer's pole position time at the 1970 Road America Trans-Am was 2:31.0
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« Reply #148 on: November 28, 2013, 07:32:46 PM »
Thanks for posting that, Tim.  I personally know nothing about that particular car and its race history so if anybody
is interested, please do your homework before doing any bidding or purchasing.  If somebody has further details on
the car besides those posted in the article, feel free to add your insight to the thread.

Here is the text of the ad written by the seller. Don't take anything as fact until you can corroborate it by other means...

"1968 Camaro Z28 Vintage Racer built by the famed Dick Guldstrand.  Being the first professional driver for Roger Penske,
Dick developed, raced and won with Chevrolet Camaros in the famous Trans-am series. Never registered on the street, this
car has a documented race history.  An original Z28 car, the original 302 motor has been replaced by a 355ci.  Four wheel
disc brakes, 12 bolt rear, original ZL1 hood.

TERMS: This vehicle is being sold as is, where is with no warranty. Please do not bid on this auction unless you are serious
about owning this vehicle. Please be thorough with your pre-purchase questions and/or inspections. If you want to speak
with me directly, please email me for my phone number. I have done my best to represent this vehicle as accurately as possible.
Thank you and Good Luck!"



VIN: 124378N327324   Ebay seller ID: mb-diesels    Location: Annapolis, MD
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« Reply #149 on: November 28, 2013, 07:36:32 PM »
You would assume Jon it would be an LA car.Maybe a later build ? That caught my eye.

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« Reply #150 on: November 28, 2013, 07:48:37 PM »
Yes, with Guldstrand being based out of the LA area, I find it odd to think that he would've had
an opportunity to build a Norwood OH assembled Camaro in '68. The cage design does not look
like any I have ever seen in a Guldstrand car. Without seeing the documentation or other materials
that might be in the seller's possession, it's hard to say for sure.
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« Reply #151 on: December 07, 2013, 05:26:45 AM »
The above ebay listed 68 appears to have sold for a high bid of $28,101.99. 

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« Reply #152 on: December 08, 2013, 05:21:21 AM »
Thanks for filling us in on the final selling price. That's probably the right value for the car.
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« Reply #153 on: June 18, 2014, 03:40:41 AM »
Lets keep up to date on cars for sale.....   I would like to know whats going on with the HTA market....
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« Reply #154 on: June 20, 2014, 04:19:08 AM »
Ed, it would be nice to keep up with this. The only cars I personally know that changed hands are Karman Cusack's Camaro, which went to Ron Atchley and Gary Goeringer's '68 Mustang that was bought by Karman. I don't know anything about the prices.
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« Reply #155 on: August 16, 2014, 02:12:18 AM »
Lance Smith from Huntington race cars sold his 48 Hoffman 1972 Camaro to a guy in Texas.  Many new faces here at Monterey reunion. 

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« Reply #156 on: September 01, 2014, 05:51:07 AM »
A vintage racer I know might be interested in joining the HTA group - any "barn finds" or other HTA cars for sale out there?

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« Reply #157 on: October 19, 2014, 05:12:46 PM »
This is a pretty neat car, sounds unlikely that it has any early racing history but would be a lot of fun if you could get it for the right $.

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« Reply #158 on: October 19, 2014, 06:15:27 PM »
Not built until the late '80s apparently and then used for autocross, not road racing. Would be something that somebody running in SVRA back east could use or maybe a candidate for down in New Zealand or Australia.
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« Reply #159 on: December 13, 2014, 01:41:47 AM »
Here's a Hemmings article indicating the 4th Boss 302 that went to Bud Moore as a body-in-white for the '71 season is going up for auction next month. This car never competed in Trans-Am back in the day because it wasn't actually built up until a few years ago. Interesting article tells the tale. Thanks to Robert Barg to passing this along to me.
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« Reply #161 on: December 29, 2014, 04:30:15 PM »
Yes, that's a real deal '67 Z-28 with Trans-Am race history. It was originally a Deepwater blue car with blue standard interior. and a legit heater delete car as well. The car is a strong runner in SVRA back east but would need money invested in it to be legal to run in the Historic Trans-Am group on the West Coast. A very cool car that I hope finds a good home. I'd love to have it in my own garage.

Here's a shot of the car at the 1968 Bridgehampton Trans-Am race.


Photo from 1968 St. Jovite Trans-Am programme


...and how it looks today
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« Reply #162 on: December 30, 2014, 12:54:01 AM »
Nice piece...any idea what TA events she was in?
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« Reply #163 on: December 30, 2014, 01:47:34 AM »
1967 Marlboro 300 Trans-Am with Lake Underwood driving
1968 Bridgehampton Trans-Am with Dean Alles driving
1969 Bridgehampton Trans-Am with Dean Alles driving
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« Reply #164 on: January 13, 2015, 04:25:46 AM »
There are 2 Camaros listed in the jan feb issue of Vintage Motorsport

1969 with SCCA logbooks to 1971 Ready to Race
Red black Z stripes white number dot on doors # 9 currently
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67 T/A Camaro 3R prepped Legal for SVRA HSR VSCDA RMVR 
Orange with white stripes # 234 currently
Fresh engine extensive spares package 
120k Bobby 3R racing - 303-781-0774
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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #165 on: January 27, 2015, 08:00:18 PM »
Lake Underwood Camaro. 


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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #166 on: January 28, 2015, 05:01:44 AM »
Did you buy it, Ed? That sure is a neat car.
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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #167 on: February 10, 2015, 02:31:39 AM »
Yes, that's a real deal '67 Z-28 with Trans-Am race history. It was originally a Deepwater blue car with blue standard interior. and a legit heater delete car as well. The car is a strong runner in SVRA back east but would need money invested in it to be legal to run in the Historic Trans-Am group on the West Coast. A very cool car that I hope finds a good home. I'd love to have it in my own garage.
Haven't seen it out few years but the last time I saw it it was stunning. Super clean, beautiful Deepwater paint, period fenders, engin bay, cabin... Sharp. But not fast. 

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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #168 on: February 10, 2015, 04:30:53 AM »
Would love to know who Wes sold it to. I guess I could always give him a call.  :P
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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #169 on: February 20, 2015, 04:34:53 PM »
last time I saw it it was stunning... Sharp. But not fast. 

What exactly do you mean by "not fast"? What is making it so slow? Thanks for the info.

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« Reply #170 on: February 21, 2015, 04:49:05 AM »
Many of the guys are just "excersizing" their cars.  They are not former racers and have a large investment under them and are also of "senior" years.

As an example, at the 2013 Glen SVRA wkd. with the HTA cars, the fastest qualifier did a 2:10'9.  At the 72 Glen T/A race the fastest qualifier
was Warren Tope with a 2:03.7.  The only "factory" driver was George Follmer who was 2nd.

Bear in mind that the guys running HTA cars to-day have the advantage of more HP, better brakes, etc. Add maybe 3 secs. for the bus loop turn
they are still almost 5 secs. slower.  Warren was good but I'm guessing that Parnelli and Mark were probably 1-2 secs. a lap quicker back in the day.

The longer Glen track with the Boot was only used that one time in 72.  Note that turn 1 seems "improved" and is faster now.

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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #171 on: February 21, 2015, 10:57:22 PM »
Very interesting, and I always suspected what you mentioned about investment being a factor. I'm actually quite surprised that most of these owners are OK with letting their cars be put around the track like that. But I also think that it's wonderful, and that these cars are doing what they were born to do!
As an aside, what happened to the Penske camaro(#16) last year is a good reminder of how much risk those drivers and cars are put under.

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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #172 on: February 22, 2015, 01:16:25 AM »
Trans Am, I am with you 100%.  Just to see and hear them running on the track is fantastic.  My hat is off to the present and previous owners who have
invested all that time and money.

Hopefully I can see them again at Portland and Monterey this year.

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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #173 on: February 22, 2015, 02:18:51 AM »
Given the scarcity of real Trans Am cars remaining I can't imagine too many accidents which would lead to any of these cars not being repaired. It may not make sense to pay someone to fix a really badly damaged car however a skilled fabricator with time and desire can rebuild near any race car.

What are the annual costs to campaign a big bore car competitively in Vintage if you ran Laguna Seca as well as 4 other bigger Vintage events east and west coast?  Not factoring blown up engines or wrecked cars.
10k per race lodging and travel all included?

If you have an accident and put the car on a frame machine, one side front suspension and complete front sheet metal, radiator, what is the repair bill?  10k

I would think that getting the car repaired in a timely fashion or even securing a spot at a repair facility would be more of a concern than a 10-20k repair bill.
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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #174 on: March 09, 2015, 02:29:04 AM »
Found this ex Jim Hall  1970  Camaro for sale by the Canepa Collection  http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-1970-chevrolet-camaro-trans~am-used-10720340.html.

I remember seeing Vic Elford race this car to victory in 1970 Watkins Glen Trans Am and ever since that day I have been a big Vic Eford fan ........... No price mentioned but one would probably need to be a member of Jay Lenos more money than brains club.

Vic Elford interviw on Cars Yeah   http://carsyeah.com/ourportfolio/vic-elford/

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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #175 on: March 10, 2015, 03:12:18 AM »
That's a car that Jim Hall wishes he hadn't sold since he's hung on to most everything else. Too expensive at this point for him to ever want to pull the trigger on getting it back.
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« Reply #176 on: March 10, 2015, 03:23:31 AM »
Without digging thru some records, what happened to the other cars?  Mo Carter had one but later crashed it in testing at Mosport and was parted out?  The other one was purchased
by MarK Waco? Body in white went to Warren Agor?  The Elford car was owned and vintage raced by David Tom at one time?

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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #177 on: March 10, 2015, 03:55:36 AM »
If I remember correctly, this is the car that Mark Waco bought from Jim Hall. Mo Carter must have bought the Ed Leslie car and Marshall Robbins bought the unfinished backup, which was later sold to Warren Agor for 1972.
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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #178 on: March 15, 2015, 09:34:31 PM »
Jon,
Do you know which one was at the '74 nationals as an A/S?

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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #179 on: March 16, 2015, 03:25:53 AM »
Wendell, there's some info on the former Jim Hall cars here...

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=10397.msg78580#msg78580
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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #180 on: March 21, 2015, 02:06:19 PM »
I just posted to the wrong thread. Thanks for the info.  Cool car.

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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #181 on: April 02, 2015, 07:23:49 PM »
Well this is vague, but is anyone familiar with this car? Obviously not a Trans-Am car, but said to be Traco built, FIA approved. Here is the auction guff that went with it:

Founded by Jim Travers and Frank Coon, Traco Engineering (an amalgam of the partnersís last names) built the engines that dominated a variety of racing series (including Can-Am and Trans Am) throughout the 1960s and into the 1970s. A 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 race car, said to have been prepared by Traco and fitted with a Traco-built 327-cu.in. V-8, crossed the stage in Fort Lauderdale last weekend, selling for the bargain-basement price of $55,000 including buyerís fees.

The 1969 Camaro offered was claimed to be one of two prepared by Traco Engineering to International Federation of Automobile (FIA) specifications, though it isnít clear if the car was raced either domestically or abroad. The Traco-modified 327-cu.in. V-8 is said to be original, and has reportedly been dyno tested to produce 500 horsepower. Though the car wears SCCA stickers, itís unclear if a current vehicle logbook is included, or if it meets the safety requirements of vintage racing organizations in its current form.

Last offered for sale at Mecumís May 2014 Indianapolis, Indiana, auction, the car then bid to a high price of $105,000 but failed to meet its reserve. Offered in Fort Lauderdale with no reserve, the car sold for a fee-inclusive price of $55,000, which is considerably less than it would cost to build a 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 Trans-Am clone to this standard, Traco engine aside.  Even without a documented history of racing wins, this could well have been the auctionís biggest bargain.

More info here: http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2015/04/02/traco-built-fia-approved-1969-chevy-camaro-z28-race-car-sells-for-55000-in-florida/?refer=news


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« Reply #182 on: April 02, 2015, 10:33:30 PM »
Unfortunately, it was likely the overzealous references to Traco Engineering that resulted in the cars no-sale in the first auction, and its depressed sale price in the second. The sales piece of this was written by someone whose primary interest was not based on a genuine historical representation of the car/engine.

Looking at the engine photos in the Hemmingís, it is an LS based platform 327 CID (not a Gen I SBC) with what appears to be a Borla, cross ram EFI system. This powertrain may have been developed during the Jim Jones or Larry Salisbury stewardship of the Traco name, however it is without doubt a stretch to infer there is any relationship to the original Traco Engineering.

Donít get me wrong, the car certainly has potential to be a fun resto-mod driver or track day car. There is nothing wrong with building a tribute car, just represent it as such. The number 6 on the door and original Traco decals make it look more like an Elvis impersonator then a car with genuine historical significance.



Well this is vague, but is anyone familiar with this car? Obviously not a Trans-Am car, but said to be Traco built, FIA approved. Here is the auction guff that went with it:

Founded by Jim Travers and Frank Coon, Traco Engineering (an amalgam of the partnersís last names) built the engines that dominated a variety of racing series (including Can-Am and Trans Am) throughout the 1960s and into the 1970s. A 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 race car, said to have been prepared by Traco and fitted with a Traco-built 327-cu.in. V-8,
More info here: http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2015/04/02/traco-built-fia-approved-1969-chevy-camaro-z28-race-car-sells-for-55000-in-florida/?refer=news



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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #183 on: April 02, 2015, 10:57:34 PM »
Unfortunately, it was likely the overzealous references to Traco Engineering that resulted in the cars no-sale in the first auction, and its depressed sale price in the second. The sales piece of this was written by someone whose primary interest was not based on a genuine historical representation of the car/engine.

Looking at the engine photos in the Hemmingís, it is an LS based platform 327 CID (not a Gen I SBC) with what appears to be a Borla, cross ram EFI system. This powertrain may have been developed during the Jim Jones or Larry Salisbury stewardship of the Traco name, however it is without doubt a stretch to infer there is any relationship to the original Traco Engineering.

Donít get me wrong, the car certainly has potential to be a fun resto-mod driver or track day car. There is nothing wrong with building a tribute car, just represent it as such. The number 6 on the door and original Traco decals make it look more like an Elvis impersonator then a car with genuine historical significance.



Well this is vague, but is anyone familiar with this car? Obviously not a Trans-Am car, but said to be Traco built, FIA approved. Here is the auction guff that went with it:

Founded by Jim Travers and Frank Coon, Traco Engineering (an amalgam of the partnersís last names) built the engines that dominated a variety of racing series (including Can-Am and Trans Am) throughout the 1960s and into the 1970s. A 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 race car, said to have been prepared by Traco and fitted with a Traco-built 327-cu.in. V-8,
More info here: http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2015/04/02/traco-built-fia-approved-1969-chevy-camaro-z28-race-car-sells-for-55000-in-florida/?refer=news




Yep, thats about how I saw it too.

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Re: For All of You That Want to Own A Trans Am Race Car
« Reply #184 on: April 02, 2015, 11:52:28 PM »
It's like taking a great tasting cake and ruining it with mud flavoring.

Why would you take a car that looks and probably drives amazing and ruin it with some tongue-in-cheek "faux" pedigree? That car doesn't need to pretend anything to be awesome.


NOTE: Engine looks trick, but they could have done without the suede/Alcantara dashboard and door panels.  :(