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« on: April 25, 2011, 05:08:50 PM »

I am trying to find a Starter for a 69 L48 (350/300HP) auto. The part # is 1108420. One other catch...it needs to be dated prior to 12A (1st wk of Dec. 68).
If you know of one, or have one please send me a PM.

Thanks guys!
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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2011, 05:34:16 PM »

I am trying to find a Starter for a 69 L48 (350/300HP) auto. The part # is 110840. One other catch...it needs to be dated prior to 12A (1st wk of Dec. 68).
If you know of one, or have one please send me a PM.

Thanks guys!

Marty, are you sure about that number (110840)?    Huh

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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2011, 05:49:53 PM »

Should be 1108338 starter (Powerglide) or 1108420 (Turbo 350).

(Assuming you just made a typo and need the 1108420...)

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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2011, 06:02:52 PM »

I left out the 2 but I still had time to add it before time expired...

Thanks Paul & Ed!
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2011, 03:54:51 AM »

Any idea when the change happened on the production line?
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2011, 07:38:44 AM »

Chris,

I am not really sure when the change over occurred or if there was one (although you would think there was since the problem was brought to GM's attention on Dec. of 68). Here is a good discussion referencing these starters. Down towards the bottom of the thread you will find starter usages confirmed by Kurt. As long as your car and starter application fall within these... it should be fine.

Note; Jerry's book lists the following starters: SS350 (L48) Manual Trans-1108338, & SS350 (L48) Turbo 350-1108420

 http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=2779.msg17843#msg17843
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2011, 10:56:38 AM »

Marty
I believe I have the original starter for my L48 TH350 combo, 420 dated 9E12. (engine assenbly of T0525)
I have seen conflicting reports as to what the car should have come with from the factory, and have been told the 420 was a dealer replacement for the 361.
Until recently I havd never seen the technical bulletin
Guess I no longer need to search for that proper date coded 361
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2011, 11:45:52 AM »

Chris,

I think the credit should go to Jonsey for supplying us with the service tech bulletin.

Here's where it gets complicated...or maybe not...since the 420 & the 338 were replacements for "Hot Cranking" problems associated with the 361 it would be difficult for anyone to say, regardless of dates on these replacements, if these would be correct applications for anyone trying to assemble their L48's with "#'s parts"...just one guys opinion.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2011, 12:50:33 PM »

I would assume at some point during the production year, only the 420 was installed on the production line.  If so, any idea as to when that may have happened?
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2011, 03:25:05 PM »

According to the thread I posted it seems like the jury is still out on that one. Although I hope there is enough information now so that  someone can give us the answer.
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2011, 08:50:05 PM »

Here's the complete TSB: http://www.camaros.org/pdf/TSB_69-T-9.pdf
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2011, 08:58:58 PM »

Kurt,

Kurt, thank you for posting the link.

Do you have any information with regards to Chris's question? I think his question would also have to include the rest of the replacement starters. In addition, do you think the correct date as it relates to the replacements & the build date of the car pose any issues for a numbers car?

I would assume at some point during the production year, only the 420 was installed on the production line.  If so, any idea as to when that may have happened?
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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2011, 09:07:46 AM »

That TSB indicate early, so clearly before Dec 23. But they don't mention a transition date and I haven't seen it in other docs either.
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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2011, 09:47:52 AM »

Kurt,

Thanks again. Still a tough call since we don't have a transition date. I think the safest assumption would be (at least in my case) to find a replacement that is prior to Dec 23. At least until a transition date has been established.

I would certainly like to here from judges, officials, or other core members with your recommendations.  
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2011, 11:15:29 AM »

Marty you should be able to find a local rebuilder who can rebuild any original starter to higher standards. Years ago I had the 6 volt starter on a truck rebuilt as  a 12 volt starter. Then you could have the required performance with a numbers correct starter.
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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2011, 12:54:15 PM »

Thank you Tom.
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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2011, 01:25:17 PM »

Make sure you find a competent rebuilder. Some shops are better than others.
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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2011, 02:50:17 PM »

Good sound advice, will do. First I have to find the correct starter. The one in the car works great...it just isn't the correct one.
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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2011, 07:29:51 AM »

Can someone tell me when the 1108420 starters were first put into production for use on first gens? 
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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2011, 04:47:26 PM »

Okay...lets try this. If someone was to change the windings in the 1108361 to convert it into a high torque starter, would this take care of the "Hot Cranking" issues. Since the 420 is so dad-gum hard to find it seems like this would be a viable alternative.
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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2011, 04:53:55 PM »

Marty don't quote me on this but I believe the high torque starter housing is longer than a regular starter. I've run into this on several applications.
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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2011, 05:00:45 PM »

Just my luck. What about a May 69 420? Would this be an acceptable replacement date? I think I know the answer but I thought I'd ask anyway. Undecided Seems to me a replacement date should fall within 3wks to not more than 2 months after the bulletin. Any thoughts?
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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2011, 05:10:52 PM »

No idea about that. Best to let the heavy weights get in on the tech bulletins and dates. I'll keep my eye open for a core on a 420.
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« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2011, 05:12:45 PM »

I'll keep my eye open for a core on a 420.

Many thanks!
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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2011, 06:03:34 PM »

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-Camaro-Chevelle-Nova-Rebuilt-350-Starter-1108420-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3356016f58QQitemZ220486266712QQptZVintageQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Date of 9D16 - though nose looks wrong


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-CAMARO-CHEVELLE-STARTER-350-1108420-9E8-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27bae8b9edQQitemZ170639538669QQptZVintageQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Date of 9E8
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« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2011, 07:03:50 PM »

The April 69 starter has been there for quite sometime.

I really like the May 69 starter. It popped up a couple days ago & really got my attention. I think I'll hold off until the heavy weights weigh in, or better yet...JUDGES... WHERE ARE YOU Huh. My take is that no one can estimate when, or even if a car owner went to a dealership to honor such a bulletin/recall. Which means just about any date within reason would work after December 23, 1968 as long as the owner has in his or her possesion a copy of the TSB for judged purposes. Any thoughts Huh

Thanks Chris! Keep em comin! But can you PM me instead?
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« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2011, 12:34:37 PM »

My take is that no one can estimate when, or even if a car owner went to a dealership to honor such a bulletin/recall.

This was not a recall, and owners had no knowledge of TSB's; TSB's just notified the dealers of potential field complaint issues and suggested a fix for them if they got a customer complaint.
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« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2011, 01:00:22 PM »

Thanks for explaining the meaning of TSB's. I think this reinforces what I stated earlier in that it would be difficult for anyone to dispute a reasonable replacement starter date with regards to the 8420 if a person opts to go that route. However, I am in communications with a savvy retired engineer who might have the answer for modifying the 8361 so that it works like it was intended to.
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« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2011, 01:21:59 PM »

Marty don't quote me on this but I believe the high torque starter housing is longer than a regular starter. I've run into this on several applications.

I checked into this Dan...this high torque modification will not alter the exterior configuration of the 8361.
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