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Under Cowl Panel Paint
« on: April 20, 2011, 10:56:52 PM »
I was looking through ebay at the latest Camaro offerings and found a photo of a very rough 69 Indy Pace Car.  The seller claims the car had not been driven since 1975 and may still have the original paint.  One of the photos shows under the cowl panel area where you can see through the grilled area painted the color of the stripes.  If I am correct, this is NOT a factory procedure and must have been done by the owner after purchase.  Is this correct?  Also, are the stripes correct for an original paint car?  If it is original paint, it is a nice source to see just how the stripes were laid out and done and where they stopped and started.

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ebay auction # 200596830856

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-CONVERTIBLE-69-CAMARO-PACE-CAR-CONVERTIBLE-PROJECT-w-PROTECTO-PLATE-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2eb480ba88QQitemZ200596830856QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2011, 12:56:10 AM »
this is interesting for sure! I hope an expert will tell us about the stripe!!

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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2011, 12:12:36 PM »
GMs panting specifications called for the area below the cowl to be blacked out after painting the cowl area but in practice it was practically never done.  I have never seen a factory painted pacecar with anything but orange overspray down in the under cowl area.  That car is consistant with how Norwood painted Z11, and or Z28 stripes.
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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2011, 07:46:09 PM »
Me , I'm just freakin amazed tht the bidding went to $9600 for that rusty pile of headaches.  The vin should be put in the data base as 'scrapped'!!
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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2011, 11:23:29 PM »
Under the cowl area should be orange "overspray". I dont think that looks right.Looks like someone taped the orange with those straight lines.
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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2011, 02:07:39 AM »
Top of the cowl area was masked with either hand held masks, or taped off depending on which plant was building the car.  LA built cars had a larger stripe color area on top of the cowl, sometimes extending all the way to th top of the firewall. What you see in those pictures is exactly what Norwood did on all Z11, Z10 and Z28 stripes.
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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2011, 12:16:59 AM »
Well they must have used "hand held masks" on mine. Thanks for the pics!
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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2011, 01:01:07 AM »
I agree that's one example of the masking technique used. My 69 Z is more fogged in on the front and side edges.
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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2011, 03:09:43 AM »
So, is the under cowl painted area a factory job or was it done afterwards?  Whoever did it obviously had the wiper assemby out of the car as there is no paint on the rod or on the assembly pieces that the wiper arms attach to.  My pace car had the orange fogged in over the white, which I am  guessing the most common.

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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2011, 03:59:49 AM »
It was a factory job. My '67 NOR Z-28 was done pretty much identically.
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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2011, 02:38:29 PM »
04C Norwood Survivor Z28


10D (early) Norwood 51 k mile Z28 in restoration






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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2011, 07:28:01 PM »
A couple of cowl shots of my original 07C Z28.....

     
     This is the driver side showing the masked off area between the body color (white) and the cowl color (black)
 
     
     This is the passenger side showing the masked off area.
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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2011, 11:00:42 PM »
04C Norwood Survivor Z28


10D (early) Norwood 51 k mile Z28 in restoration








No disrespect.... the first and last pic are after the 'restoration' correct? Any before the re-spray?
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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2011, 04:06:28 PM »
Heres another one that is obviously very original.
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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2011, 04:13:33 PM »
Now thars an original...

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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2011, 11:28:12 PM »
That remindes me of a 69 Z11 that had been sitting off south coors road in the mesa ,all by itself. That was in 1976.You know the area Marty.Actually it was in better shape than that last pic.
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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2011, 11:38:44 PM »
Jack,

I know the area well. Sadly enough...also a famous for locating other kinds of bodies.

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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2011, 01:38:58 PM »
A couple of cowl shots of my original 07C Z28.....

    
     This is the driver side showing the masked off area between the body color (white) and the cowl color (black)
  
    
     This is the passenger side showing the masked off area.


  Sonet, Is that a Norwood car? Most I seen are like mine fogged in. It's a Norwood 2D car. Maybe the black was masked off?

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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2011, 04:05:06 PM »
Yep.....it's a Norwood.  Sure looks like a tape masking job to me.  On the passenger side you can see some underspray of the cowl black paint underneath the masking tape line.
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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2011, 12:08:49 AM »
04C Norwood Survivor Z28


10D (early) Norwood 51 k mile Z28 in restoration








No disrespect.... the first and last pic are after the 'restoration' correct? Any before the re-spray?
No offense taken, however to answer your question, the only picture in this sequence which does not have original paint as shipped FROM NORWOOD is the last one.
The First Picture is of a 45k mile Vintage Legend Certified 90% original paint unrestored Camaro. Cam was bad so this was taken when we had the engine out for building.
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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2011, 12:38:58 AM »
cool... so a Norwood car and no masking.  And some are masked...
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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2011, 03:40:01 PM »
The Lemans Blue car with full cowl spray is an Early 1969 Norwood (10D 1968) the Black car is an 04C Norwood.
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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2011, 09:32:33 PM »
So a white car would not get any cowl spray other than the black under hood paint?
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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2011, 11:33:26 PM »
So a white car would not get any cowl spray other than the black under hood paint?
If it were a black striped White Z28.
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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2011, 11:46:22 PM »
So a white car would not get any cowl spray other than the black under hood paint?
If it were a black striped White Z28.

Like this one...  http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270744372187&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

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Re: Under Cowl Panel Paint
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2011, 01:46:52 AM »
Does anyone else see Blue on that firewall... like the blue dash paint was sprayed before the white or the black?
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