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« on: April 11, 2011, 01:22:10 PM »

Help Decoding another POP:

T1216JG   124379L514214        R

69G331    BR1001G                      1

               11331                         Bow Tie


Thanks guys!
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2011, 01:34:21 PM »

Help Decoding another POP:

T1216JG   124379L5124214        R

69G331    BR1001G                      1

               11331                         Bow Tie


Thanks guys!

There are too many digits in the VIN, Marty...   Huh

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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2011, 01:38:45 PM »

Don't think so Paul. Here's a pic (posted after you post)... There aren't too many numbers...12437= 8 cylinder Coupes... 9=1969...L= Los Angeles (Van Nuys) California... 514214=Sequential Body Number... need help with the rest...
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2011, 02:02:00 PM »

124379L5124214 is the VIN and has to many digits

5124214=Sequential Body Number??

 http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#POPCodes
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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2011, 02:08:35 PM »

The POP said 514214. You added an extra "2".
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2011, 02:08:45 PM »

Okay...try this...124379L514214...Thanks guys
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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2011, 02:13:17 PM »

124379L514214

T1216JG - RPO L35 396/325 with a Turbo 400 assembled on December 16th, 1968 at the Tonawanda, NY engine plant
124379L514214 - VIN
R - Rochester Q-jet carb
69G331 - Turbo 400 transmission assembled on the 331st day of 1968 (Thursday, November 26th, 1968)
BR1001G - 3.07 Posi 12 bolt axle assembled on October 1st, 1968 at the Detroit gear and axle plant (1st shift)
1 - January 1969 build
11331 - Options installed by Fisher Body

1 - N40 Power Steering
1 - J50 Power Brakes
3 - Radio
3 - J52 Front disc brakes
1 - C60 Air Conditioning

You can get more info HERE

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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2011, 02:20:23 PM »

Thanks Ed! Dang your quick...!
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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2011, 02:24:10 PM »

What's interesting is the transmission code (G) is for a 396/265 from a full size passenger car with a 2.29 axle! The Camaro L35 Turbo 400 code is a C. However, since they also built the full size cars at Van Nuys, this is probably your typical "not paying attention" POP mistake.

Kurt's going to want to add this to the database, so can you let us know who the selling dealer was?

Thanks

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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2011, 02:27:53 PM »

Ed...I meet this guy at the SW Muscle Car Nationals and I said I would give him a hand decoding this. If you can...please shed more light on this G=396/265 & the 400 code E. The guy says its a 396/325HP  Huh
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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2011, 02:39:23 PM »

What's interesting is the transmission code (G) is for a 396/265 from a full size passenger car! The Camaro L34 Turbo 400 code is an E. However, since they also built the full size cars at Van Nuys, this is probably your typical "not paying attention" POP mistake.

Kurt's going to want to add this to the database, so can you let us know who the selling dealer was?

Thanks


Here ya go Ed/Kurt...
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« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2011, 03:24:56 PM »

Thanks, and yes, it's an L35 (396/325), not an L34. I mis-typed! But remember, I am NEVER wrong! (Once I thought I was but I was mistaken.)

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The transmssion codes for the Turbo 400 were used to indicate what model car it was installed in. C would be a Turbo 400 installed in a 69 Chevelle or Camaro with an L35 engine. G is for a full size car with a 396/265 (and a 2.29:1 axle). There were others as well:

A - 396/325 or 396/265 in a full size passenger car
B - 427/390 in a full size passenger car
C - as above
D - 350/250 or 327/235 in a full size passenger car
E - 396/350 in a Chevelle, Nova or Camaro
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« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2011, 03:42:33 PM »

Nice to know we're all human...thanks again Ed...Much appreciated!!!
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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2011, 03:48:08 PM »

Marty, do you know the guys name? We should add that to the database as well.

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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2011, 03:56:17 PM »

Ed...PM sent...
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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2011, 04:02:33 PM »

Got it. Thanks agian.

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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2011, 06:34:52 PM »

Please forward the info to Kurt...Thanks Ed!
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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2011, 07:36:45 PM »

Can you get a photo of the tag on the transmission to show the numbers stamped? It would be interesting to see if it is the correct "CC" transmission and the typo was on the POP.
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2011, 08:09:16 PM »

I'll see what I can do...unfortunately the guy is pc/pic challenged...
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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2011, 10:35:47 PM »

I'll almost guarantee that it's the right trans. The clerk just had problems reading the writing on the broadcast sheet and misread the C as a G.

Would you happen to have a pic of the cowl tag? Smiley

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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2011, 10:52:02 PM »

No problem...I'll send the owner an email an post it once I get it.
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2011, 10:29:00 AM »

Looks like the POP really does say 69C331 to me, but then my eyes are going bad.

Look at the difference between the JG code above it, and on the BR1001G code to the right.  The "G"s there look alot more rounded, and heavier on the open ends, than the one in they tranny code.

I'm pretty sure I have the tag, I remember that VIN number for some reason.
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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2011, 07:55:16 PM »

Tough call Mark...I wish I had a better pic to draw from. I'm having to bounce the image (a poor image at that) from the monitor onto a mirror. Here are a couple more but I don't think they help much. At any rate I think you are on track with the rounded G's. And...the thing-a-ma-gig on the G is missing. Just wish there was another C stamped on it somewhere to use as a comparison.
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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2011, 07:57:35 PM »

Don't have the trim tag, have L514012, and L514220 but thats as close as I can get.
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2011, 08:02:24 PM »

I got a response back from the owner & will be getting the trim tag pic sometime soon.  I also hope the quality of the pic improves. I'll post it as soon as it comes in.

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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2011, 08:40:23 PM »

I think Mark might be onto something. If you compare it "G" in question with the other "G's" on the TT, it's very different. The "leg" of the transmission "G" might just be a shadow. I blew it up a bit more and it does look like a "C".

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« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2011, 08:35:20 AM »

Marty, there is software that can reverse an image. If you can get a clear shot of the tag and post it, I should be able to reverse the image. May or may not be helpful.
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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2011, 09:13:42 AM »

...and here I am talking about people being PC Challenged. What will they think of next?

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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2011, 09:33:28 AM »

Okay, It's definitely a "C".

I compared this one to several other POP's I have and you'll note that all the "G" have a little "nub" on the horizontal line. The transmission stamping doesn't have that "nub" so it's a "C".

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« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2011, 11:08:54 AM »

Good call Ed...although here is a C & G from Van Nuys...no Thing-a-ma-gig on the C...the mystery continues  Undecided Huh
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« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2011, 11:10:37 AM »

Here is the mirror image (made with the free software included with my printer)
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« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2011, 11:12:02 AM »

The C & G definitely look different.
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« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2011, 05:32:58 PM »

Okay, It's definitely a "C".

I compared this one to several other POP's I have and you'll note that all the "G" have a little "nub" on the horizontal line. The transmission stamping doesn't have that "nub" so it's a "C".

Ed

Ed, if you don't mind me asking...how did you manage to get the magnified shot at the bottom? It almost looks like you used and electron microscope. My digital must be very out dated. Excellent pic.
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« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2011, 07:11:31 PM »

I scanned it in at 600DPI. My Lexmark 9500 network printer/scanner/fax/copy machine actually goes to 19K DPI (although I've never tried anything that big before).

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« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2011, 08:14:37 PM »

Ouch...your scanner is reasonably priced but your Lexmark is mucho $$$. Although I guess you need the best to get the best.

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« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2011, 08:17:41 PM »

My work paid for it, so I don't have to worry about it. The only problem with these stupid printers is the price of the ink! The ink is almost as much as buying a new printer!! But my work pays for that as well, so I guess I can't complain.

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