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« on: March 31, 2011, 10:21:16 AM »

Hello, first post here on the forum. I enjoy the whole site and look forward to collecting the knowledge of the group.

I'm in the market for a 1969 Z28 and have researched and looked for cars all over the states. What is with all the painters painting the Z28 stripes. I'm finding most of the cars have the forward or starting edge of the strip aft of the rear window an inch or so from the stainless trim on a car without a vinyl top. Isn't suppose to start some 5 inches aft of the window trim?

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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2011, 10:29:34 AM »

Hello, first post here on the forum. I enjoy the whole site and look forward to collecting the knowledge of the group.

I'm in the market for a 1969 Z28 and have researched and looked for cars all over the states. What is with all the painters painting the Z28 stripes. I'm finding most of the cars have the forward or starting edge of the strip aft of the rear window an inch or so from the stainless trim on a car without a vinyl top. Isn't suppose to start some 5 inches aft of the window trim?

Thank, Keith

That diagram in the Assembly Manual is a well-known error, and is incorrect; the forward end of the Z/28 rear stripes is 5/8" from the back window lower reveal molding on a car without a vinyl top, and is 5/8" from the lower top trim molding on a car with a vinyl top.
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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2011, 04:59:18 PM »

Thanks, now I am feeling better about the cars I'm seeing. Ok, what else is wrong with the manual???
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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2011, 07:44:08 PM »

not trying to advertise here but you should get Jerrys book the definitive 69 camaro z/28 SS fact book.It shows all the things you need to know when looking for a z/28.Good luck and hope you find your z!!  here is the link to his website>  http://www.z28camaro.com/
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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2011, 09:13:09 AM »

Thanks, now I am feeling better about the cars I'm seeing. Ok, what else is wrong with the manual???

That sheet probably would have been corrected, except that work wasn't done by Chevrolet, so they didn't care about the error; the rear stripes (and the portion of the front stripes on the cowl vent panel) were done by Fisher Body, and they worked from their own Fisher Body Operation Description sheets, which were never published outside GM.
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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2011, 09:31:42 AM »

So is there no known record of the Fisher manual? It would be a great reference tool if one could be found.

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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2011, 09:41:20 AM »

So is there no known record of the Fisher manual? It would be a great reference tool if one could be found.

Jimmy V.

The full set of loose-leaf Fisher Body O.D. sheets for body, paint, and trim shop operations would be about 8" thick; they were extremely detailed.
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2011, 10:35:09 AM »

........I'm in the market for a 1969 Z28 and have researched and looked for cars all over the states. ........Thank, Keith
I would recommend verifying any car you want to buy here or at Team Camaro. There is quite a knowledge base developed over the years on fake cars. Don't get caught. JMHO.
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2011, 06:48:10 PM »

 
So is there no known record of the Fisher manual? It would be a great reference tool if one could be found.

Jimmy V.

The full set of loose-leaf Fisher Body O.D. sheets for body, paint, and trim shop operations would be about 8" thick; they were extremely detailed.

 So John ..................... how about selling me your set!!   Grin

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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2011, 07:42:58 PM »

Not so fast. I think there is more to be said about those rear stripes that start about 5 inches away from the window. Yes, the assembly manual does indicate rear stripes starting about 5 inches aft of the window trim. My own 1968 October built 1969 z/28 has those shorter stripes with the shorter rear spoiler. I have attached 4 pictures of 1969 z/28 with rear stripes about 5 inches aft of the window trim. The pic "Mycar.gif" is my car with which I was the second owner. It has the original hugger orange lacquer paint. It has never been repainted nor in an accident as far as I can tell. The rear stripes on my Z matches up almost identically with the specs from the assembly manual. The other pics attached are ones that someone sent me with camaros with shorter stripes. The pic "Short_stripe1.jpg" is a 1969 camaro with a z tag but no bumper guards, the next pic "Short_stripes2.jpg" is another 1969 with short stripes. The next best pic next to mine is "Short_stripes3.gif" which is a California z/28 with short stripes if you look carefully you can see the rear stripes are very aft of the window trim. This image looks as though it came from hot rod magazine. So, If I am correct, the only 1969 camaros that came with stripes was the z/28. And if you have an early z/28 like mine maybe those short stripes further indicate that it is a real factory z/28 with factory painted short stripes. Has John z. said, it was an error in the assembly manual, so maybe several early 1969 z/28 were produced before the error was caught. You cant argue with evidence. I have  provided at least two good pics of 1969 z28's with short stripes, the other two pics are unknown. see attachment.

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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2011, 07:44:32 PM »

2nd pic attached.
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2011, 07:44:59 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2011, 07:56:48 PM »

Another quick comment. I wonder how many people who bought or owned a 1969 z28 with short rear stripes had them repainted to match the more conventional longer stripes. That may have been a mistake if more proof if provided that early 1969 z/28s had shorter rear stripes. Just like it was proven that early 1969 z/28s used the shorter 1968 rear spoiler due to the correct longer ones were not available yet.

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« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2011, 05:19:26 PM »



This is my car with the origional paint that was on it in 1971, before I had it "correctly" re-painted in 1982.
I had never seen and was not aware of the assembly manual instructions before I measured them.
Last year it was certified by MacNeish as a "very origional unmolested survivor class"  Z/28 with one repaint.  

I had kept the origional factory paint flat hood when I installed a cowl hood.  
MacNiesh spent more time looking at the hood than any other item !  He stated that the hood has an origional correct factory paint job.

Of the 4-5 Z/28's that seem to have the short rear stripes from the factory, all share the same information.

All are Z/28's
All seem to be Z/28's without a factory installed Spoiler.
All were made in LA.
All bodies were made in Late October 1968 10C or 10D (Possibly painted on the same day.)
All have stripes that match the assembly manual.
Of the three that I know the VIN numbers, they are within 500 VINs of each other.

My guess is that on one or a few days in late October 1968 someone painted the Non-Spoiler Z/28's incorrectly to match the Assembly manual instructions.

This would make only a very few were painted at the factory per the "incorrect" Assembly Manual.

Note: asm69's likely had its spoiler "dealer added" because if I remember correctly, the stripes continue to the rear lip,
and it is missing the relocated Camaro emblem.,  
mine was added in '82 when I had it re-painted.

It was easier to re-paint mine to match what was know, then try to explane why my stripes did not match others in 1982.
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