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« on: March 24, 2011, 06:22:28 PM »

Hi , does anyone knows if all 69 camaro SS with D90 stripes have exactly the same stripes or if only the early one « october 68 and november 68»have the stripe on the fender extension  Huh??
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2011, 06:51:21 PM »

All produced through early November 1968 have about 1" of strping on the fender extension. After that time the stripe terminates at the seam.
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2011, 05:17:41 AM »

If this information was misleading, please let me know...

This car has had one repaint and the stripe was duplicated exactly the way it was applied from the factory. It is a 12A build...first wk of Dec. 68. You can see the 1" overlap.

It is also my understanding the fender portion of the stripe was applied w/paint & the door portion with a sticker.
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2011, 12:22:00 PM »

Correct, fender stripes are painted, doors are decals...........RatPack..................

Man I love that Carolina Blue with white top and interior!!!
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2011, 02:30:31 PM »

Thanks for the kind words Rat Pac.

You tossed me a bone with no meat...details on the pic please. Owner, Options, trim tag, POP, build date, plant, etc...If you'd like please send me a PM.

Let me back track just a little bit...the hockey strip was painted the way the person believed it would have been painted/or applied from the factory. Hence the 1" overlap on the fender extension for an early built 69. In addition to special paint, the car is also believed to be stripe delete. don't ask me why, even if it is I think I'll hang on to it. Just trying to make sure it was applied correctly.
 
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2011, 11:01:35 AM »

Even with special paint the car should have gotten the stripes unless you have docs to prove otherwise. I have never seen a Carolina Blue Camaro that was an SS that didn't have the stripes no matter what year.

The car above is an original RS/SS 396/325hp with a TH400, ps, pdb, D80, console, and the ZL2 air induction hood. As of 15 years ago it still had 90% of its original paint with only the vinyl top being removed, and someone "touching up" the small scratches with Testors model car spray paint to keep it from rusting. The owner that has it now tried to start restoring it about 10 years ago but gave up. Instead he installed another big block of unreal horsepower so he could have a "hot rod" play toy. One night while traveling down a back road he decided to see what it could do....his reflexes were not as quick as those of that big block. He got the car all crossed up and wrapped the left front fender around a small tree. So much for the original paint front fender! Luckily he did not have the original ZL2 hood on the car and that may have kept the damage from being worse than what it was. The driver's fender & headlamp assy, inner fender, grill, header panel, and lower valance were all that needed to be replaced. He didn't even bend the bumper! This car has/had its original D90 stripes on it along with the original fender pinstriping. The stripes did not go down onto the lower fender extension as they did on some earlier cars. Here is a picture of the firewall showing the crayon marking for "special paint", along with picture of the passenger fender. Look closely and you will see the factory pin striping. This car really needs to be restored, but I don't see it ever happening anytime in the near future as the owner will not spend the money to do it right..................RatPack...................
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2011, 04:41:14 PM »

Thank you for sharing some history on the car. Nice to finally see another Code 80 paint car {powder blue/azure blue} and an RS/SS BB to boot. Interesting information with regards to pin striping the outer lines of the hockey stripe on the fender. Very Cool!!! The crayon special paint marking is also very cool. Its just painful to see the car wasting away.

Do you know which plant it was built at...Van Nuys or Norwood? And...the build date? I would also like to see a pic of the trim tag if you have one handy.

Thanks again.
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2011, 08:40:13 PM »

I have done lots of research on finding the correct formula for the Carolina Blue that was used from 1967-1971 on all Chevrolet's. Pretty common color here in East Tn as I have seen it on everything except Corvettes, but I wouldn't rule out one being built.......... Trim tag info except body number:

TR  727           - E  PNT
      04C             X22

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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2011, 08:51:11 PM »

Thank you very much
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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2011, 09:27:37 PM »

I have done lots of research on finding the correct formula for the Carolina Blue that was used from 1967-1971 on all Chevrolet's. Pretty common color here in East Tn as I have seen it on everything except Corvettes, but I wouldn't rule out one being built.......... Trim tag info except body number:
..............RatPack...........................

For those of you who have listen to this discussion before my deepest apologies!!!
 
RatPack, I only wish you could have weighed in a long time ago...don't ask. If I understand you correctly, are you saying there was actually a color developed under the name Carolina Blue in the mid 60's to early 70's that was used on GM cars? If this was the case, I would assume it had to be a paint line outside of what GM offered. None of GM's paint charts have the name Carolina Blue. Below is a chip for the 69. As you can see, the names are Powder Blue and Azure Blue. I had tried before to gather definitive information concerning Carolina Blue, but the only information I received was that NC fans are very hardcore with respect to athletics and painted everything in sight Carolina blue. Please share what you know about this color as it relates to GM cars.

Sorry Redge...
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2011, 11:03:54 PM »

Nope, it's just a regional name for that color.
The Zone may have helped provide a color code to some dealers, but there's known to be several different shades of this color ordered.

And there's also Colorado Blue cars too.
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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2011, 02:46:25 PM »

...Just a regional name...So NC's used Paint Code 80 on their cars but choose to call it Carolina Blue?
...Zone may have provided a color code to some dealers...?
...Several shades of this color ordered...?
...Colorado Blue...?

Sorry Kurt I just don't get it. Seems like a pretty tough way to nail down actual Paint Code 80 69's with so many variables... Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2011, 03:21:31 PM »

Marty,
Here in Tarheel country (NC) we even think the sky is that color because of us!
Kurt and Rat Pack, have you ever seen a C80 Camaro that actually was sold by an NC dealer in that color?
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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2011, 08:02:35 AM »

I am not all that familiar with NC Basketball but I believe they won their first National Championship in the 70's so it makes sense the name "Carolina Blue" as it relates to First Gens would have surfaced around this time. However, I am familiar with Lobo Basketball and it will be a cold day in H before we start referring to them as; Here in Albuquerque Monza Red Country... Undecided
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2011, 09:18:30 AM »

I had a LS6 Chevelle that color and I think the build sheet said something like Cadillac Blue A.L with a paint code. Somewhere I have a copy of the sheet.
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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2011, 11:00:41 AM »

Charley,

If you locate the build sheet please post a pic...
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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2011, 07:57:23 PM »

I am not all that familiar with NC Basketball but I believe they won their first National Championship in the 70's so it makes sense the name "Carolina Blue" as it relates to First Gens would have surfaced around this time. However, I am familiar with Lobo Basketball and it will be a cold day in H before we start referring to them as; Here in Albuquerque Monza Red Country... Undecided
Hope I didn't mislead anyone...my point is that I am a native New Mexican and I don't ever remember a time when the University of NM athletics program was worthy of branding itself after a First Gen color. If it was legit, it would have to be UNM Monza Red.
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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2011, 10:48:05 PM »

Marty, the Camaro's I have found with broadcast sheets showing the special paint used Dupont formula #96881 which is now referred to as Wedgewood Blue National Fleet color. The mix formula was actually first used in 1964 in the BOP lines under various names: Wedgewood Blue (Buick), Bermuda Blue (Olds), and Skyline Blue (Pontiac). It has been many years since I originally researched this, but I am pretty sure when we scanned the sides of the cowl and a couple areas under the cowl panel this car used the #96881 formula. The other mix formula that shows up in 1970 on some Chevelles is 926-98371 which is what I believe is on Charley's buildsheet for his Chevelle.  I have never come across a documented car that mentions paint code 80 or the Dupont formula number or 5022L/D  on the paperwork, and that color actually has a purple tint to it. I will have to check tomorrow, but I need to cross-reference the 5022L again to see what the 5-digit formula number is from Dupont. From what I have found is that both the #96881 & #98731 were both used through the 80's as fleet colors off and on. There was supposedly a buildsheet found in a 69 Nova that had a Dupont number of 4531L printed on it, which is exactly the same as the #96881, but I have personally never seen it. When looking at a buildsheet/body broadcast sheet, the GM order number for non-metallic special paint should start off with 926, and if it is a metallic it will start off with 927.  I have a buildsheet for a 70 Chevelle with special paint and it reads:    - - PAINT DEPT  1001HA:  HOOD, FENDERS, AND ENTIRE BODY - 926-99616 ORANGE ACRYLIC LACQUER. This car is an LS6 out of the Arlington plant sold new in Broken Arrow OK.  I hope this helps................RatPack......................
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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2011, 07:43:51 AM »

This is by far the most helpfull & detailed explaination I have had to date with regards to this color. A local friend of mine owns one of the most reputable restoration shops in the country. I will ask him to scan areas of the car which I am certain has the original paint and will get back to you with the information.

Thank you for sharing what I am certain took years for you to research. The two numbers, 96881 & 98371 should give us an excellent reference point.
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« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2011, 08:23:46 AM »

Kurt and Rat Pack, have you ever seen a C80 Camaro that actually was sold by an NC dealer in that color?

The car I have shown in the pictures above was sold new out of a dealer in the Asheville area. It spent its entire life in Gatlinburg before being bought in the mid 80's by a guy here locally. It traded hands twice by the time the current owner bought it...........RatPack................
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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2011, 10:03:47 AM »

Yes I mis-remembered...... Mine does say 926-98371 Blue A.L.   I must be remembering someone telling me it was a Cadillac color.
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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2011, 12:28:24 PM »

Rat Pack,
Thanks, and the car in your pictures is a lighter shade (less purple in the mix) than Marty's, right?
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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2011, 12:30:39 PM »

This isn't complicated.
You went to the dealer and said I want this color.
- If it was a current GM color, they knew the code.
- If it was an old GM color that you liked, they could find it.
- Some dealers had color books and you could find something that worked from it.
- Or you could spec it out (e.g. Mopar Plum Crazy)

However you got there, they just needed to know, paint it this color. Special paint was special - all these sky blue cars were not the same shade depending on how they arrived at their color choice. The zone may have helped by saying 'oh, this color is what other dealers use', depends on how helpful the zone was. RatPack's #'s are just 2 possible codes, there definitely were others.....

And the Carolina blue and Colorado blue colors may have been shades different.
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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2011, 12:44:04 PM »

And I presume the names: carolina blue, colorado blue, etc were provided by local salespeople, in order to encourage buyers
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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2011, 02:14:16 PM »

I just had a lengthy phone discussion with Rat Pack. It is amazing the amount of time and effort he has put into researching this color. The majority of cars, if not all the cars in his search have from the Carolina's or the same general Zone. Most if not all came out of Norwood. As was mentioned before, these particular cars scanned out to paint reference numbers 96881 & 98371. This explains what Kurt and others have been trying to explain to me. Sorry Kurt...sometimes these things need to be spelled out so they make sense to me. In other words, none of these have anything do with GM Paint Code 80. They are simply colors that are similar. As Kurt mentioned, It could have been just about any color combination and from just about any paint line.

Here is where this discussion finally begins to make sense. It was determined there is a definitive color difference between "Carolina Blue" cars and my car in that there is a very distinct purple hue. According to RP, this is one of the distinguishing characteristics of GM Paint Code 80. RP was able to pick up on this difference by simply looking at the pick of my car. After he stated this, I mentioned needing touch up paint which I acquired from a local restoration shop who scanned the paint. I recall this shops owner stating there was an unusual high amount of purple pigment required for the mix. Although it is difficult to see in pictures, the purple hue is quite noticeable in person.

RP also mentioned there is a complicated procedure for determining if this car is a PC80 car. I am hoping to find someone here locally who can perform the same tests he has done to determine if this paint differs from 96881 & 98371.

Thanks again RP!

Thanks for the pic Charley...
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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2011, 03:36:35 PM »

And I presume the names: carolina blue, colorado blue, etc were provided by local salespeople, in order to encourage buyers

Makes perfect sense to me Tom...anything for a sale.
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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2011, 06:37:42 PM »

Rat Pack,
Thanks, and the car in your pictures is a lighter shade (less purple in the mix) than Marty's, right?

You are exactly right Phillip. Thanks for noticing...
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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2011, 07:52:33 PM »

My Chevelle was sold new at Foss Chevrolet in LaGrange. N.C. 
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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2011, 08:05:41 PM »

Charley,

What year was the Chevelle?  I think that color is closer to Carolina blue...
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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2011, 08:57:14 PM »

1970 LS6. The orig. owners name was on the build sheet and I tracked him down. He said they charged him I think 102.00 for the special paint.
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