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Chicken or the Egg?
« on: January 19, 2011, 11:49:35 AM »
Perhaps I should have asked this question a long time ago...Which came first, the RS or the SS? In other words, is the correct label RS/SS or SS/RS? Or...does it really matter?

I know what your thinking...get a life why don't you. ;D

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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2011, 12:20:57 PM »
When I'm talking to others, I always refer to the major option first. Example Z/28-rs or SS/rs. When ordered new, the SS & the Z were first on the order information. That's just me :)
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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2011, 01:37:16 PM »
Makes perfect sense to me.

Does anyone know if there was a nomenclature from the factory for this combo?

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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2011, 01:41:25 PM »
Since the Z and SS were performance packages and RS was a mere trim package I would say the Z and SS would be dominate since those badges were used if the car had the RS trim package.
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2011, 01:42:05 PM »
The statements above make sense. Additionally, a Camaro restoration book informed me that the correct way to say it is SS/RS.

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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2011, 01:55:03 PM »
Since the Z and SS were performance packages and RS was a mere trim package I would say the Z and SS would be dominate since those badges were used if the car had the RS trim package.

This has my vote and makes the most sense.
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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2011, 03:09:00 PM »
Super sports started in the early sixty's, carried over to F-bodys. Dinosaurs started before chickens.
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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2011, 04:04:19 PM »
Do you have a Rally Sport equipped Super Sport (RS/SS) or a Super Sport equipped Rally Sport.  Always has and always will be an RS/SS in my book.  Plus it flows better.
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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2011, 04:16:52 PM »
YES...someone who finally knows the alphabet! ;D Just kidding guys...

You'd have to admit though, there is a great deal of logic behind what Mark says. I also agree that it flows much easier.

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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2011, 04:25:27 PM »
It's even more obvious for RS/Z versus the awkward Z/RS.
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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2011, 04:29:01 PM »
Basic english. With emblems removed on Z's and SS's. . .  Would you say " a blue car" or " a car blue"? Always will be RS/SS.
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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2011, 05:19:57 PM »
I always heard it called RS/SS

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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2011, 05:36:44 PM »
It's even more obvious for RS/Z versus the awkward Z/RS.

Just look at my forum name...    :)

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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2011, 05:49:51 PM »
Adjective then Noun      = Blue Car
Adverb adjective noun = Blue Camaro Car
Adjective Noun = SS Camaro
Adverb Adjective Noun = RS SS Camaro
Adverb Adverb Adjective Noun = RS SS Camaro Car
Adverb Adverb Adjective Noun = 69 RS SS Camaro

ok I just made this all up   :D    I don't actually know English, I'm a Canuk eh.   Order of importance left to right?
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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2011, 06:19:40 PM »
I thought you were one of me...Carro Azul...a car blue. ;D

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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2011, 07:56:16 PM »
how does the saying go? Allways save the best for last  ;D
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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2011, 08:19:17 PM »
If we are going to use the "blue car" and the "car blue" argument, than SS/RS would be correct. 

If we stay with that argument, than we go from biggest to smallest.  IE:  GM Chevrolet Camaro SS/RS.  GM (manufacturer), Chevrolet (division), Camaro (model), etc. and so on, biggest to smallest.

The bigger feature of the two is an SS.  The smaller feature is RS.  (It also cost more money for the SS option than the RS option).  Also, Chevrolet themselves help answer this question as the SS emblems take precedent over the RS emblems when both options are ordered.  Therefore, they thought it more important to emphasize the SS over the RS.  Thus, SS should come first. 

They had embems for each option separately, but no emblem to represent both together.  Maybe it's because GM didn't know the answer to this question either and therefore, just picked SS to take over. 

I like SS/RS because it breaks up the S's.  If you take out the slash mark, you have either SSRS or RSSS.   To me, SSRS looks better than something that sounds like "ARSE".  Since I label a lot of picks that both options and often leave out the slash mark when saving a name for the jpg, it just seems to look better with SS first followed by RS.

But then again, either way works and gets the message across.  Thanks a lot for making me think about this oh so trivial yet gosh darn important matter.

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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2011, 08:21:51 PM »
Of course, I have no idea how to label this car or what order to put these options.

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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2011, 08:46:19 PM »
By far the best explanation thus far. I also know what you mean about running the 3 S's in sequence. I once had a license plate the read; 69RSSS, it stumped my son's the first time they saw it. However, I'm still on the other side of the fence with this one, so I'm glad you ended by saying either way works.

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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2011, 09:17:45 PM »
I knew better than to even get up this mornin'.!!
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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2011, 10:20:51 PM »
SS/RS would be the latin way.  Smooth or not ...Adjative before the noun.

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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2011, 12:22:05 AM »
Eggs for breakfast, Chicken for lunch or dinner, therefore egg first. RS/SS

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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2011, 12:38:40 AM »
My car is a 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Convertible Super Sport with Rally Sport exterior group, but I prefer RS/SS  ........................................  just sounds better to me, but to each his own  :).
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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2011, 12:48:56 AM »
I knew better than to even get up this mornin'.!!

What can I say...its been a slow day and these winter month's are making me nuts... :-\  
On the flip side, it really doesn't matter what it's called. ;)

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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2011, 01:13:59 AM »
I like SS/RS because it breaks up the S's.  If you take out the slash mark, you have either SSRS or RSSS.   To me, SSRS looks better than something that sounds like "ARSE". 

Love it!

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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2011, 01:34:00 PM »
so why did that chicken cross the road LOL ::)
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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2011, 05:27:45 PM »
The chicken didn't cross the road, the road moved under the chicken.

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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2011, 05:37:40 PM »
Of course Z22 (RS) comes before Z27 (SS). I know, I know, Z27 didn't come about until 1969, but before that, there was no specific SS code, only engine codes.  So RS/SS.

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« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2011, 06:51:24 PM »
so why did that chicken cross the road LOL ::)

To get his RSSS to the other side - of course!

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« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2014, 01:44:28 PM »
There's another thread that I argued that SS was the model and RS was the option, therefore SS/RS should be correct (not that I am any authority on the subject). Another Gentleman corrected me stating his Father used to sell them and ALWAYS referred to them as RS/SS.
Well I was just watching some Camaro.org YouTube videos before bed (as you do), and watched the "1968 Chevrolet Communication kit, Sept 1967".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcBlTiAhf9o
Here's a still from the video that may clear the debate up once and for all.
Note the 4 models...Base | RS | SS | RS/SS

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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2014, 01:49:25 PM »
Man..  you dredged up an old argument there..  :)
and I'm not changing my mind..  it's a Z28 (with RS)..  thus Z28/RS..  :)
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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2014, 02:07:00 PM »
 
My German heritage would not allow me to state anything before "SS:D
All kidding aside, I'm with Gary on this one. I believe the primary designation would be the 'base' model (base motor or performance -SS or Z) followed by an appearance option (RS).

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« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2014, 10:00:23 PM »
Hey Mike & Gary,
I thought the same thing but if Chevrolet referred to them as RS/SS I'm reconsidering....though I still think it SHOULD have been SS/RS. :)
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Re: Chicken or the Egg?
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2014, 11:56:03 PM »
I feel like when we are talking about our cars, we refer to them as "ss" or "Z".... we all have camaros, so the model of camaro we have becomes the noun as we use it to refer to the car, leaving the word Camaro out . Thus in proper English, the descriptor would typically come first:

Burnished brown Z
Dusk Blue SS
Garnet red L-78
Rs SS
Fathom green Rs Z/28

In spanish, well that would quite something else....
deporte estupendo en azul de atardecer
Which is Dusk Blue Super Sport
Forgive the translation if its wrong, but just to illustrate.
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« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2014, 12:10:15 AM »
It has always been RS/SS and RS/Z28 to me.  I can't say it any other way.

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« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2014, 12:43:15 AM »
I guess Im the odd person.

SS/RS & RS/Z
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« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2014, 04:21:35 AM »
Is it a Super Sport Camaro with the RS option, or a Rally Sport Camaro with the SS option?

When asked what you drive, do you say;

I have a Rally Sport, or I have a Super Sport?

The performance option in front makes more sense to me.

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« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2014, 10:19:32 PM »
I usually call my car a Z/10 camaro. ;D
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« Reply #38 on: July 02, 2014, 10:19:27 PM »
If you're looking at a 68 or 69 ZRS it has a bold "Z/28" & in small block letters it says "rally sport" meaning Chevrolet wanted the Z/28 to be dominant not rally sport. On a SS/RS the SS was what Chevrolet wanted their car to be known as. No difference in badging at all. 2 more of my cents...Joe
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« Reply #39 on: July 02, 2014, 11:32:15 PM »
Basic english. With emblems removed on Z's and SS's. . .  Would you say " a blue car" or " a car blue"? Always will be RS/SS.
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How about just a plain brown wrapper? That's what we use to call the unmarked police cars in the 60's and 70's. I agree with others, I have always used RS first then SS or Z28.
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« Reply #40 on: July 02, 2014, 11:36:10 PM »
I knew better than to even get up this mornin'.!!

Hey Daniel, glad you got out of bed this morning. Glad to see you posting. it's been a while.
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« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2014, 11:39:35 PM »
I knew better than to even get up this mornin'.!!

Hey Daniel, glad you got out of bed this morning. Glad to see you posting. it's been a while.
Is it just me? Are you getting old Gary? Ya only been 61 a day now. It has been awhile because that post is from Jan 2011!!!??? ??? :o :D :-[ :P
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« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2014, 11:41:26 PM »

My German heritage would not allow me to state anything before "SS"  :D
All kidding aside, I'm with Gary on this one. I believe the primary designation would be the 'base' model (base motor or performance -SS or Z) followed by an appearance option (RS).

Mike



Mike that is too funny. "SS" I was watching the AHC/Military Channel a few nights ago and finally heard the name SS stood for. I can't pronounce it.  
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« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2014, 11:47:09 PM »
I knew better than to even get up this mornin'.!!

Hey Daniel, glad you got out of bed this morning. Glad to see you posting. it's been a while.
Is it just me? Are you getting old Gary? Ya only been 61 a day now. It has been awhile because that post is from Jan 2011!!!??? ??? :o :D :-[ :P

I'm getting younger remember? I'm counting backwards starting this year. So next year I'll be 60 again. Austin resurrected this old post.
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« Reply #44 on: July 03, 2014, 02:47:45 AM »
My 68 is an SS 396 with the RS option therefore SSRS 396.  ;D

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« Reply #45 on: July 03, 2014, 02:52:46 AM »
There's another thread that I argued that SS was the model and RS was the option, therefore SS/RS should be correct (not that I am any authority on the subject). Another Gentleman corrected me stating his Father used to sell them and ALWAYS referred to them as RS/SS.
Well I was just watching some Camaro.org YouTube videos before bed (as you do), and watched the "1968 Chevrolet Communication kit, Sept 1967".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcBlTiAhf9o
Here's a still from the video that may clear the debate up once and for all.
Note the 4 models...Base | RS | SS | RS/SS



Thats funny I have some original Camaro ordering info that lists the cars as SSRS.. I guess even the general didnt know what to call them. lol..