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« on: December 20, 2010, 09:11:26 AM »

I sent him a note and told him that concourse implies that the car is restored to original and correct standards.... he wants to know what is wrong with the car. I can count a number of items...
Anyone want add to the list....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170580418006&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Sill plates
Heater Hoses
Zip ties under hood
Exhaust system
Shock absorbers
Wheel rim inner paint
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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2010, 10:12:13 AM »

Here are a few more:

Air cleaner stud & wing nut should be phosphate, not zinc
Valve covers shouldn't be polished
Incorrect service replacement radiator cap
Heater hoses incorrectly routed/twisted
Upper control arm dust flaps not positioned through control arms
Incorrect upper alternator bracket - too many holes
Spare tire installed upside-down
Excess trunk mat - only came with deluxe interior option
Excess GM Mark of Excellence sticker on door - wasn't used in '69
Reproduction rear springs
No photo of trim tag
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2010, 10:24:33 AM »

John... ouch!

ok... air cleaner gasket upside down?
       Paint gaskets on the reverse lights
       Tires
       Wheel well trim. repop
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2010, 11:11:53 AM »

Hood hinges and hood latch painted.

Should be gray Phosphate
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2010, 11:57:09 AM »

Think I will join the party.

L512280 would be 12B too early for ducted hood...would have had insulation
trim height incorrect; too high
rocker panels should be painted black
air cleaner vent tube hose incorrect should be 3/4" x 1" x 90
missing 1 headlamp washer nozzle
rear stripe layout incorrect
rear axle U bolts too long
coolant pump bolts would have been painted orange

Bears repeating-exhaust system is horrible.
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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2010, 05:12:21 PM »

WOW!! you guys are good! And certainly got more knowledge than I, by a long shot. I love to learn. I looked it over carefully and was hoping the tip of the dipstick wasn't green. But it is.

BUT the Radiator petcock looks wrong to me. Shoudn't the fins be facing open TOWARDS the engine?

Also the interior paint pattern on the horn button looks to be repro??

Also looks like the piston return springs might be after market??.......Danny
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2010, 08:31:27 PM »

here's a few more;
incorrect caster - camber shims
upper ball joints bolted in
Fram oil filter
insulators under gas tank straps
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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2010, 08:35:14 PM »

a couple more;
screw missing for l/r wheel opening mldg.
r/r inner brake line retainer on differential housing not retaining brake line
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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2010, 09:29:01 PM »

Most of the cars restored today use repop parts and Chinese sheetmetal. Nothing new. Most of the stuff on this car would not take to much to fix in my opinion. As long as the price reflects the condition is what counts. Looks to me that the people bidding are happy and probably don't really know what they are looking at. Pretty good money at this point.
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2010, 05:46:19 AM »

My turn...

Wrong floor mats
non factory original tires
That endura bumper is way too nice to be factory
the alignment on the driver RS headlight door will never be right (that is an absolute fact)
lint on carpet
paint too shiny
smudge on fender
fingerprints on glass
DS radiator mounting bolts incorrect (should be the squishy rubber things)
washer bottle is very low on fluid
pass. seatbelt on console folded wrong
water spot on trunk mat near spare tire
Blue GM sticker on DS door jamb...not factory
unleaded fuel in tank (should contain lead)
scuff on sill plate (indicates bad door hinge)
bottom of rockers way too nice...be leary
Pass Front tire - pebble in tread
missing "CAUTION FAN" sticker

Obviously painted by Earl Schieb
This thing is a complete basket case and needs way to much work to be a correct car...I would recommend all buyers stay away from this one for sure.

Seriously though, at least a billion dollars spent on restoration work and they use those cheap zip ties on the alternator wiring harness instead of the correct ones!!!  OMG, they are like complete amateurs. 


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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2010, 08:05:18 AM »

OMG Do I sense SARCASM?!! 

 The car is obviously very nice in many respects... its just that the difference between a $70K car, and one where the owner wants $109K, require a high level of restoration skills. I just wanted to have a little teaching exercise. In fact you gentlemen noted several items I missed.  As close as I looked I didn't see the 'smudge on the fender'
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2010, 08:34:58 AM »

Why do they always turn the cowl air cleaner to hood seal down?

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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2010, 09:12:11 AM »

OMG Do I sense SARCASM?!!  

 The car is obviously very nice in many respects... its just that the difference between a $70K car, and one where the owner wants $109K, require a high level of restoration skills. I just wanted to have a little teaching exercise. In fact you gentlemen noted several items I missed.  As close as I looked I didn't see the 'smudge on the fender'

Perhaps two more lesson learned...the days of 6 figure prices for these fine muscle cars can no longer be had. Second lesson...perhaps it is time, the high level restoration shops experienced their own market adjustment...IMO...go easy on me... Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2010, 11:43:48 AM »

OMG, they are like complete amateurs. 
Yes, and the first clue was the sarcasm (or should I say "bluff") in the initial reply to 9T4Z, saying you tell me what is wrong with the car.  Roll Eyes

9T4Z, why don't you ask him what it is worth to gain this valuabale correction list from the CRG forum???  I think your overall appraisal of the car is fair.  It is a real shine and show job, but there are several over-restored and imporperly restored items about it...  (I'll have to admit it was fun watching you guys pick it apart! You made my day!)  Grin  Grin  Grin

I think this one comment from John is pretty revealing:
No photo of trim tag
  Huh  Huh  Huh
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2010, 12:41:36 PM »

Why? There is nothing of value on a Van Nuys tag thus no need to post a photo of it.

It IS odd that this car was completely dismantled for restoration but no photos of the drivetrain stampings. Nice photo of the inside rear view mirror though...
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