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Re: Future First Gen Values
« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2011, 08:49:39 PM »
Thanks for the links guys!

On the plus side: CAFE by Manufacture Targets;
  • 35 - 41% Improved Fuel Economy
  • Expected Cost vs Savings - Cost; <1K, Fuel savings over the life of the vehicle; 4K
  • New Muscle Cars won't be built (I think)
  • Our cars will be much more sought after
  • We will have a fuel efficient car to trash while our rides aren't :)
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« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2011, 09:12:03 PM »
'Muscle cars will still be built'.   Your just going to have to wrap your mind around how a 4 cylinder direct injected twin boosted engine figures into the picture.  Less mass, better fuel efficiency and great torque.  Mustang will have em for sure in the replacement to the V6, we just got to accept that the definition will require some 'hard swallowing'. OH and I have no doubt these new set-ups will be very quick.
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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2011, 09:14:58 PM »
Sure hope you're correct but did you read the sixth paragraph down on Phillip's link? Please explain how these cars are going to achieve muscle car status given these restrictions? Perhaps these future MC will be an example of the cars Tom so eloquently referred to as nothing more than Rice Rockets and Fart Pipes.

Sorry Tom, couldn't resist. You nailed it...foreign jobbers.  :-\
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Re: Future First Gen Values
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2011, 09:25:25 PM »
Sure hope you're correct but did you read the sixth paragraph down on Phillip's link? Please explain how these cars are going to achieve muscle car status given these restrictions?

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but a believe it's going to be called a "gas guzzler tax" paid by the owner.
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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2011, 09:35:34 PM »
Excellent question John. It will be interesting to see if automakers can use this as a loop-hole.

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« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2011, 10:45:48 PM »
I been holding out for the new 5th gen. Z and talk now on the 5th gen. boards it's in the $50,000 plus range and it may not even be a Z, but a different name.  Looks like I'm keeping the CTS as my primary driver. 
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Re: Future First Gen Values
« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2011, 11:11:45 PM »
I read that the new camaro outsold the ford mustang for the first time ever. 

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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2011, 11:21:21 PM »
I'd be interested in JOHN Z's thoughts on how this gov't intervention with all their BS hurt Detroit and the big 3.
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« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2011, 12:04:59 AM »
I been holding out for the new 5th gen. Z and talk now on the 5th gen. boards it's in the $50,000 plus range and it may not even be a Z, but a different name.  Looks like I'm keeping the CTS as my primary driver. 
Sure hope the car gets built and the name isn't changed. I think that would be a huge mistake. At any rate, now is the time to buy these cars before the Feds get a hold of them. 50K puts it right up there with the F-GT500. Do you know what the projected HP is?

Thanks John

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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2011, 01:56:36 AM »
My God what a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D Time to consider a second mortgage.........

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« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2011, 02:13:20 AM »
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to drive one. But isn't the new Z getting away from the essence of the original Z? Thought they were going back to the first gen well. Insane HP figures wasn't what it was about.

Seems like we are going off topic here (which necessarily a bad thing). I'd really like to get both JohnZ and William takes on future values. I could listen to those two all day.
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Re: Future First Gen Values
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2011, 02:19:03 AM »
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to drive one. But isn't the new Z getting away from the essence of the original Z? Thought they were going back to the first gen well. Insane HP figures wasn't what it was about.

Seems like we are going off topic here (which necessarily a bad thing). I'd really like to get both JohnZ and William takes on future values. I could listen to those two all day.


True, I did not mean to hijack this thread.  Should have started a new one.
If a mod could move my posts or if needed delete them.
I get carried away sometimes.
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Re: Future First Gen Values
« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2011, 02:26:45 AM »
John, I see nothing that suggest your posts are off topic. Quite the contrary. The whole idea here is gain insight into the future of our prized positions. What better way to insure the preservation of these classics than continued competition from the big 3 automakers and their take offs from what started it all. Thanks for sharing!

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« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2011, 03:26:23 PM »
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to drive one. But isn't the new Z getting away from the essence of the original Z? Thought they were going back to the first gen well. Insane HP figures wasn't what it was about.

Seems like we are going off topic here (which necessarily a bad thing). I'd really like to get both JohnZ and William takes on future values. I could listen to those two all day.

The link below shows how significant the development of the 1st gen Z was. The information indicates with racing add-ons its HP was in excess of 400. My thought is that the new Z has to be developed with the same ground breaking forsight in mind to set it apart (as it did back then) from the competition. The excitement for me is one can only imagine what GM has instore for the Big Block SS counterparts. Again...just my opinion, but I think all of this plays into how our cars are perceived into the future, and can only lead to their longevity.

http://camaros.org/geninfo.shtml#Z28