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« on: November 30, 2010, 05:33:10 AM »

Newbe  what a great site.  I own a 68RS that was rebuilt in 2004. The VIN is 124378N338716 for your data base. I have located the POP just now. My question is in regard to the RS option. Seems to me it was added during rebuild.

Will someone verify my  info on my POP.    Here are some of the POP location #   A-29=R   B1 to B7=V1027EA  B-15 to B-21 PE1028G   B-29=N   C-1 to C-5 = S8R10   C-15=1   C-17=3    Soid out of Miller Chevrolet in Michigan.  The car does not have the correct drive train with your help from this info maybe I can locate it Love the thrill of the hunt.  Thanks Allen.
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2010, 08:06:53 AM »

Post a pic of your POP (if possible a mirror image).

Don't understand the question and your numbering format is hard to figure out. Are you asking if your car is a RS? Please explain...

You can also decode the POP here;  http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#POPCodes

Welcome to the Forum  Smiley.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2010, 09:32:58 AM »

Allen,
I broke apart your two questions to make them clearer.
Unusual car in that someone ordered the higher hp engine and a posi, but kept the base 3-speed trans. What city in MI?

V1027EA - L30 with manual trans, Oct 27
S8R10  -  Saginaw 3-speed, Oct 10
PE1028G - 3.08 10 bolt posi, Oct 28
N40 and U63 were options.

RS - see http://www.camaros.org/options.shtml#rs

Marty,
He's using the #'ing shown here http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#POPCodes and in the AIM.
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2010, 09:53:04 AM »

Got ya...thanks
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2010, 11:24:55 AM »

Thank you for the  info.  My real question was it a RS from the factory based on the POP info.  The car was sold in Grand Haven, the city is a little hard to read.  The colors were GG by the POP.  I have started to track some of the prior owners.  Thanks again ALLEN
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2010, 12:30:21 PM »

If you take a look at RPO Z22 (RS Option) of the link I posted you might find the information you are looking for. The RPO's are listed on the left hand column.  

http://www.camaros.org/pdf/options.pdf
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2010, 01:04:34 PM »

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My real question was it a RS from the factory based on the POP info.

Allen, the POP won't show the Z22 option, so the only way to tell a RS car from a non RS car is to do a little detective work and examine the "signs". While the RS option can be added, most people don't go through the trouble of routhing the backup lights wire (and grommet) through the trunk floor (see the picture below), so that's usually a pretty good indicator. Although you can't use this as a "for sure", it's one of the better signs that the car left the factory as an RS. You also need to look at the firewall and compare the RS piercings to what's shown in the AIM.

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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2010, 06:40:20 PM »

ED Thanks for the info. I do not know about the backup light wire yet but it has the grommet on the firewall with 2 holes in it for vacum hoses. The headlights have to be opened and closed by hand. There is no other headlight operateing parts on the car.  Is there anything else to verify a RS car.  The car was rebuilt without any lower body moldings. It has the wheel well mouldings.  The car has a very nice Torch red paint with black interior. Has all the upper moldings. The car has white Z stripes on hood and trunk with spoiler, with BB block hood. with chrome louvers.  So there has been some extra things done. Both the front and rear valences are correct.  Would they ever not put on the lower moulding but everything else for RS option?  Allen
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2010, 07:17:49 PM »

Allen.
 Remove your door panels and see if there are holes filled in. (rear quarters-Front fenders also are pierced) also check if the light buckets are R/S style, check if a vacuum canister was removed, Check the light switch,
 Check if the rear panel under the bumper has been filled in. 68 R/S questions are rarely answered... We middle kids need to stick together. I am no expert but 30 plus years  of 68 R/S cars has provided me with a little insight. Any help i can provide I will.
  Good luck,
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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2010, 07:31:59 PM »

All the physical items to check for an RS car are shown in the link that I posted, including the trunk hole and the backup light hole.
http://www.camaros.org/options.shtml#rs
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2010, 09:17:04 PM »

Victor   The rear panel has the correct backup lights now.  The headlight backing plate is a early square hole design. The car is in cold storage now.   I live in ND along the canadian border, we are having a snow storm as we speak.   I find it odd that the POP does not tell if it had the RS option.   Check out the other things on it tomorrow  Allen
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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2010, 09:39:36 PM »

Some friendly advice...if Core Members or Current CRG Members suggest something on this site you can pretty much take it to the bank.  All the information you need is on the link Kurt posted. Take some time to research your car...the information for your detective work is there.

In addition...If you continue your efforts with regards to the POP/RS option your search will be in vein.  Ed already stated the information isn't there.

Good Luck Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2010, 07:19:17 PM »

The link provided does not mention the R/S side molding. Three pieces per side and the fastener holes in the door. these follow the lower body line and separates the dull black from the body color.
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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2010, 08:46:10 PM »

That trim was part of the z21 "style trim" which was included in the z22 RS package
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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2010, 06:57:06 AM »

Tom     This car has on lower side trim at  all.     Could it come with out any when new a be a true RS?    I find these options very confusing.    Please bear with me      Allen
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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2010, 04:00:32 PM »

Allan,
 There are two types of lower moldings for 1968. R/S molding are three piece and would be attached to the door, the other molding is a one piece that mounts under the door and extends onto the rear quarters and front fender. So removing a door panel would revel the FILLED in holes on a original R/S car. But the very front hole will show Under the front door hinge, on the outer panel. Buy a 1968 Camaro AIM  (assembly instruction Manual AKA Factory Assembly Manual) and a 1968 "BODY BY FISHER" service manual if you are just starting.

Tom,
 1968 AIM page 423

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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2010, 01:55:03 PM »

Allen,
 No, All real 1968 R/S cars would have been built with the THREE PIECE R/S ONLY lower body molding. Tom must be thinking of the roof drip rail moldings (3 pieces) or the door revel molding (2 piece).
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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2010, 02:06:55 PM »

 Kurt, Tom,
 Please respond to your comments regarding the 1968 R/S lower body three piece trim. Tom states flatly that I am wrong, Kurt seems to agree based on his # 9 reply "ALL THE PHYSICAL ITEMS" comment. If I am FOS please point out where I am wrong. I have been waiting  a week for some kind of reply to the "drive by" opinions, that is the reason for this post.
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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2010, 02:14:06 PM »

Victor, I'm not sure what you're questioning. Tom stated that all RS cars came with the three piece lower body moldings, which is what you also said.

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« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2010, 02:18:31 PM »

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 I read that # 13 comment as stating that that trim is part of the "Z21 style trim". Z-21 did not come with the thee piece R/S lower door molding.
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« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2010, 02:46:58 PM »

Ah, now I see. You are correct. Z21 (which was included with Z22) included the belt (wide window) moldings, the wheel opening moldings, and the roof moldings (for Coupes). It didn't include the three piece lower body moldings. Cars with the Z21 option came with the standard one piece lower body molding.

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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2010, 12:31:18 AM »

Ed,
 Picture is worth a thousand words, Thanks. That was my original point- these facts are missing from the R/S ID link.
As a side note The Z21 also consisted of the hightlighted side marker bezels (black painted valleys) that i have never seen listed in print, Same part numbers. The original rear bezels were taller/deeper to compensate for the gasket to keep your trunk dry.
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2010, 10:10:19 AM »

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As a side note The Z21 also consisted of the hightlighted side marker bezels (black painted valleys) that i have never seen listed in print, Same part numbers.

I've never heard that one before and there's nothing in any of the parts books, Illustration guides or the AIM about this. As a matter of fact, the same rear quarter panal lamp assy was used on almost all models in 1968 (P/N 916632). And Chevrolet wouldn't have used the same part number on two different items. Where did you get this information from?

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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2010, 02:31:25 PM »

Ed,
  The part number on the bezels are the same for standard or painted (different for front and back).
 The only slight mention I have seen refers to "and other bright accents" I think was the term used , I will find it and be precise... it may be in old sales brocures. But look closely at original cars and you will find some I'm sure. There is a thread on this site from a few years ago about this subject, by Me. I do have some but never have been able to post pictures on this site.  The Part numbers are 3925429 for the front and 3927459 for the rear.
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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2010, 03:01:09 PM »

Here is the thread:
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=5580.0

I remember when Victor posted it.
The repos don't know this.
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« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2010, 03:21:38 PM »

Phillip,
 You are the man! with a picture too. My rears were faded away but upon further inspection I found paint in the corners. I could not find the thread, Thank you for posting it. I now believe is is part of the Z21 option. LA cars only?
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« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2010, 03:44:30 PM »

Victor, as far as I know, all 68 side marker bezels were painted black inside the grooves. I've never seen any with white or had no paint in them*, but this isn't something I've done a lot of research on.

However, if you go by the AIM, under Z22 there's no note for this on the non illustrated parts page (Z22 page A2), and nothing in the rest of that UPC section showing anything different, so I would say with the evidence of the AIM and the P&A, there was only one set of bezels used, 3925429 for the fronts and 3927459 for the rears.

* I would imagine that after 40 some odd years of cleanings, especially using tooth picks and tooth brushes, some of the black in the grooves would be scrubbed off, but there should be some reminents of black in the corners. Mine are almost clean (no paint), but I DO show bits of black in several areas.

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« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2010, 05:21:10 PM »

Ed,
 Interesting, I only noticed the black paint on cars with the Z21 parts. I sold a virgin  basic 210 hp 327, PG car to some Swedes a while back that i went over with a fine tooth comb and never saw any black (car was virgin but neglected and covered in a carport for years, cousins in-laws). Now I will be on a quest to find out one way or another. Members with original 68 cars please chime in (Z21/RS or not, painted or not). Your killin' me Ed, but I love this type of sh!#.

 Victor
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« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2010, 01:08:40 AM »

That was my original point- these facts are missing from the R/S ID link.
Get me a good pic that shows the holes in the body and I'll add it. Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2010, 11:07:26 AM »

That was my original point- these facts are missing from the R/S ID link.
Get me a good pic that shows the holes in the body and I'll add it. Smiley
BTW, the text has always been there. It's under the last row of pics and gets lost, IMO.
"67's will have holes in the doors for mounting the RS lower trim. 68's will have have the holes in the doors and also mounting holes in the fenders and quarters for the RS trim."
Some pics will help it standout more. Smiley
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« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2010, 05:38:04 PM »

Kurt,
 E-mail sent.
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