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« on: November 16, 2010, 07:36:25 PM »

69 DZ302 Casting 3956618 Stamped V0219DZ VIN 19L52XXXX

What would this block be worth to the owner of the original car?   Huh  (I already have the name of the owner.)
To any other Z28 enthusiast?

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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2010, 09:43:02 PM »

Is the partial VIN 19L527002?

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2010, 11:01:31 AM »

 Looks to me the partial vin should be in the 59xxxx area not 52xxxx ? Gary
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2010, 11:24:10 AM »

Paul - sorry, it's not 527002
Gary - it is 52xxxx
Casting date is A 28 9.
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2010, 11:50:54 AM »

Please post the entire VIN. This is one of the requirements to post in the orphans section.

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Please include the item type and the partial VIN as part of the subject line, for example: "I just found POP 9N654321". This standardized format of the VIN is important to help people search the forum. (This format does not need to be used in the text of the message.)

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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2010, 11:51:40 AM »

Can you please post the complete VIN? The owner has little chance of finding the block without it.
No risk with that cause they could prove they own the car.

The risk is if you are looking for your block and post your VIN. There's the chance a restamper could 'find' it in his inventory. Sad
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2010, 12:00:07 PM »

Ed, sorry about that. I was not aware that this was a requirment. 

Kurt, I already have the name of the owner, that's why I was asking the orginal question.  WHat's this worth??
Please delete my post.  (What section should I be asking this question?)
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2010, 04:16:39 PM »

I moved it and edited it to reflect the intent of your question. Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2010, 05:18:29 PM »

Thanks Kurt!
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2010, 06:09:08 PM »

Take some advice from James in florida. He did  what every body shoud do work it out with the owner of the car
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2010, 06:57:56 PM »

I'd love to do that if somebody could just let me know what it might be worth...  (Who is "James in Florida"??)

Obviously the value of the car would go up dramatically if it was a matching numbers car. 

Let's pretend I don't have this block.  Maybe I should be asking what the value difference is between a matching number Z28 and a non-matching number Z28?? 
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2010, 07:59:00 PM »

IMO it's worth what someone is willing to pay. Anywhere from 500 to 5000. Is it a bare block, short block? Has it been magged for cracks? With that engine assembly date the VIN could be 100 units on either side of it.

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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2010, 08:29:29 PM »

I would think that the block you have would be worth about $3000 - $5000 depending on the condition to the present owner.
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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2010, 12:32:05 PM »

i paid $3500.00 to get the original engine back for my 68z.  Keep in mind that was a complete engine.
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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2010, 12:52:39 PM »

James was a guy in Florida that found out he had a 67 z motor in his t bucket and the car was  still around and being  restored as we speak . He took the motor out of the t bucket and worked out a deal with the 67 z owner. It was a great story
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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2010, 04:50:05 PM »

Some people dont care about numbers. So worth less to them. The people that do care? it depends how much they care and how deep their pockets are. Nowone can answer your question but the person with the car. Consider this, how much is the block worth without the car? I would be a nice guy and let it go for that. It will make you feel good inside and someday someone may be good to you. And no I don't own the car in question.
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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2010, 11:48:04 PM »

Thanks All for your comments, this does help to give me some ideas as to how to proceed!
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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2010, 04:07:02 PM »

If I needed the original block for my Z and someone wanted to sell it to me I'd be interested to a point. If the party wanting to sell the block to me made me feel like I was being held hostage because they had something I could not get anywhere else, I would get PO'ed and tell the party to forget it. It becomes a pride/ego thing at that point. I agree with L78 Steve.

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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2010, 04:15:58 PM »

In my mind, a better question to ask would be why wouldn't you be satisfied (and extremely happy to help someone out) by offering to sell them the original engine block for their car at an amount = to $$$ you currently have invested in the block  + a reasonable profit (20-40%)?  You are working this way to hard.  This isn't something you get a chance to do every day.  Make a reasonable profit, take pride in yourself, and call it a day..
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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2010, 04:27:20 PM »

amount = to $$$ you currently have invested in the block  + a reasonable profit (20-40%)? 
The block came with a Z28 that was involved in a warehouse fire.  So, what I have into it is basically a '69 Z28.  What's that worth?  I'm not trying to bend someone over, but am just asking what someone would reasonably pay for this.  Obviously each person has their own idea, I'm just trying to find out what that might be. 

Here's an engine I found on craigslist for $10k. 
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/pts/2064308660.html
Is that reasonable???  That seems a bit high to me...
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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2010, 12:23:26 AM »

10K is a pipe dream. Maybe if it was an all-original complete engine.
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2010, 07:38:46 AM »

This is complicated because there is only one block, one buyer and only one seller. If I was the buyer I would at a minimum ask for pictures of the casting numbers and stamps before any money or negotiations would take place just to verify the authenticity of the block.

In my mind, the buyer probably will determine the price. It seems that the buyer here would be the only person interested in paying above the value of a generic z/28 block with good dates. Everyone else would be out at maybe $1500 or so?  I can imagine a scenario where the buyer would dig his heels in at some figure with a reasonable margin above market price for a non-numbers matching z/28 block and let the seller decide if he needs the money or not. The seller can either take the money now or you both can exchange contact information. The seller is left to store the block for a period of time and waits for the car owner to maybe sell the car and start the processs all over.  That might take a lot of time and it might not be worth the effort.

The block owner can offer it to the car owner for $2500 and see if you both can live with that. That is a win-win for both parties. The block is not worth more than that to any other buyer and it is worth more than that to the car owner once it is together with the car. Either way, everybody wins and another orphan is reunited with it's original chassis.

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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2010, 10:20:41 AM »

In my opinon, the value of the engine is just that.
It has a market value set by recent comparable sales.
The extra value to the Z owner would be for documentation of his car.

If the Z has no paperwork then the original engine would change a un-documented car to a documented car and that will be a good investment to the Z owner.
If the Z has its pop, window sticker, or dealer paperwork, etc. then the engine does not change a un-documented car to a documented car so will not be as valuable to the Z owner.
(still great to have original engine and will still add value to the Z)

I hope this engines can get re-united to the car.
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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2010, 10:50:32 AM »

i think 500 bucks above market value and everybody sleeps well at night after the deal.
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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2010, 03:54:07 AM »

Ask the guy if he would sell the car to you, and in the end this could be the best outcome. No bickering over engine price.  I would do that first and not even offer selling the motor. In todays economy, who knows what might happen if you ask.

If you try to sell it, figure on a 10% min value gain. You are talking a safe 4K. He should not argue with that a all, if he does, he does not want the original engine anyways. offer to split the difference (win win).  So add atleast 2-3K to the engine, beyond its core value as a nice Z29 motor with a nice date code. 

If you find out the car has no documentation, you do in a sense vindicate the car, so again, 2K premium sounds reasonable to request.

If you can't make a deal, just part ways nicely, and ask him for atleast a shot at the car if it ever comes up forsale. 

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« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2010, 11:54:28 AM »

Its a block not a complete engine, so you not going to pull 4K out of it.  If a complete numbers matching engine adds  5K to the sale price of a Z how much more does the owner need to spend to get all the other parts?  Does he have the other parts?  Does he even care about  a numbers matching car, or is what he has good enough for his putposes.  Deduct all the other stuff he needs to have a complete numbers matching engine and thats the price and I think you will find it is somewhere in the 1K to 1500 dollar range max.

I'd love to have the original engine in my car but guess what, I wouldn't even spend 1K for the complete engine if someone miraculously found it,  (which based on the condition of the rest of the car when i bought it 27 years ago, isnt going to happen) its not that big of a deal to me.
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« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2010, 12:20:54 PM »

Thanks all for your feedback.  This has helped to give me some ideas on which way I might want to go.  (Bob, I do like your idea.) 

Have a great Thanksgiving!
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« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2010, 01:24:41 PM »

Even if there engine does not interest him, I would take the best possible digital photos, and give them to him after all the smoke clears. Won't cost you anything, can only help any existing documentation for the Z.
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« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2010, 01:36:29 PM »

Good idea Tom.  Thanks.
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« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2010, 01:54:43 AM »

I myself would not give anyone any hi res pictures of the original engine , unless they are serious about buying it.  I doubt everyone knows how to create the broach marks and characters on a block, so why give up the treasure map.  If he does not want to consider the block, just call it a day and follow the path of 'less is more'. You have to consider he could replicate that block if you never come to an agreement. My 2 cents.
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« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2011, 11:57:45 AM »

IMHO if someone isn't interested in giving 3-4k for "THE matching numbers engine" from their Hi-po solid lifter late 60's Chevrolet they either do not want it or they can not afford it... there really is not other reason as the value added to a such a car would be as much or more than the purchase price.
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« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2011, 01:13:31 PM »

You have to keep in mind when figuring value that ANY hard to find component of the motor can be had, but the block is only one of one to your car . If you have the original block in your car and everything else is incorrect,that is better than having a 100% show car correct complete engine with a NOM block, even though all the correct components will be more expensive to repalce than the block[if you are lucky enough to find it].  If any  Z motor has a  market value of 6K, than its worth alot more than that if its yours. If you compare 2 zs that are similar,except one is factory  block and the other repalced or decked , you are going to find a much bigger difference in market value than 5K...
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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2011, 07:07:55 PM »

Hello!!! I'm new to this site and not trying to hi-jack this post, but after reading these responses I was wondering what real $$$ loss value is there to a car that has been restored using another 302 block or restamped numbers during the restorations process...A loss greater than $1,000 to $5,000 or more than..

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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2011, 08:02:27 PM »

I think there would be variables :available legitimate documentation, year of car in question(1968 being the hardest to validate without ###). To answer your question I would think a minimum of 5K on a Z28 and the sky would be the limit on say a ZL1 or COPO. 

Hello!!! I'm new to this site and not trying to hi-jack this post, but after reading these responses I was wondering what real $$$ loss value is there to a car that has been restored using another 302 block or restamped numbers during the restorations process...A loss greater than $1,000 to $5,000 or more than..

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« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2011, 08:37:11 PM »

It's a emotional thing, Everybody would love to have a real L-88, L-72, LS-6 Etc. But you could build a better engine for the price you would have to pay for one these days. (it's getting better) If you don't have the matching car, what's the difference? All somebody is buying are the original stamps, Only matters if you have the matching car and vice versa. Hope you guy's can work out a fair deal.
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« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2011, 02:15:59 PM »

Seems 68's take the hardest hit for non matching in the Z's... BORN WITH correctly restored 68 Z's in good colors will bring an additional 10k when compared to a similar non matching car.   
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« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2011, 04:40:41 PM »

I know this is an old thread but with distributors and alternators bringing 1000-1800$ and thats for a dated component-no serial numbers then I would think that a born with block would be the "Icing on the cake" to get the only block the cars was born with would be worth 4-5k, course if the owner of my block would offer that I'd probably choke on it.
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« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2011, 07:55:43 AM »

For sure it's worth more to the orig. owner than anyone else and that is where it becomes complicated. Car will be worth approximately 33% more but how important is that or worth to the current owner. I found the owner to our DZ short block that had been in our 83 purchased Corvette since 1979 and that mouse now resides with the camaro it left home with. Grin  Sold it to him at an extremely good price and it still took him over 4 months to make a decision. http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=145097
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« Reply #38 on: August 04, 2011, 08:05:44 PM »

Chick, I just read your story.  Wow, that's pretty cool!  I'm glad to hear it all worked out. Now I justy need to find the person that has the car that goes with my block...  (I have his name, I just don't know where he lives.)
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