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Power steer pump cap
« on: May 09, 2006, 04:17:13 PM »
Hi, does anyone have a pic or p/n of the original power steer pump cap - 68 Camaro
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2006, 08:19:37 PM »
Just sold this one the other day:
PS cap
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2006, 11:57:52 AM »
Thanks for that. Is it a metal top painted black in your pic?
Is that how they came originally, metal painted black?

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2006, 12:40:52 PM »
Metal cap with short plastic stick.
I actually have seen them both ways - Painted and no paint.
I think typically on the Camaros they were painted.

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2006, 01:17:54 PM »
Actually I believe they were natural on the Camaro. All the ones I have seen on original cars have been natrual.

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2006, 08:36:12 PM »
Or, as a compromise you could paint it a little bit.

I have seen them like that too. just some black overspray. ;)
Pretty sloppy sometimes too.

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2006, 04:48:32 AM »
Caps were a 2 ear metal with a cad plate finish. Plastic was a replacement later.

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2006, 09:34:18 AM »
Pacecarjeff, is it possible that the "kinda black - had a sloppy spray gun waved at it" metal ones you have seen, may have been rebuilt power steering pumps that the rebuilder then threw a flash of black over to make it look nice, without worrying about any overspray that went on the cap?

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2006, 12:06:56 PM »
None of the ones I am talking about are rebuilts.
My experience is from walking through junk yards for 20 years.
I have pulled 100's of these caps in the past.
Quite a few of them were definitely painted at the factory.

According to NCRS - Corvette PS caps were aways painted.

Either way would be OK on a Camaro.


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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2006, 05:19:42 PM »
My '67 Corvette and '69 Camaro PS caps are both painted - have never seen an UN-painted 60's PS cap.  :)
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2006, 05:23:02 PM »
John, I think the 69 should have had a black plastic cap with no inner line (and no paint).  Are you saying yours has a metal painted cap like the 68s?

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2006, 05:28:45 PM »
I should have been more specific - my '69 cap is black plastic with no inner line as you describe; just meant I've never seen an unpainted metal cap.  :)

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2006, 05:52:21 PM »
Pretty darn sure the 69's should have a metal cap. The plastic caps are later 70's.
Painted or unpainted - either would be OK.
I have shoe box full of these.  Some are opainted some are not

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2006, 07:24:41 PM »
I've been watching this thread with great interest...
Jeff, how about posting a picture of an unpainted metal power steering cap.  I'm not questioning that you have one.  But like John, I've just never seen one. 
In the last four years I've looked at literally hundreds of 60s Chevrolets --mostly Camaros-- including judging a few.  If some caps were originally unpainted, we need to know it.
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2006, 07:44:09 PM »
here is one.
Will get some more later - I have to dig for these.

« Last Edit: May 15, 2006, 11:45:27 PM by Pacecarjeff »

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2006, 07:47:17 PM »
This one looks like it was partialy painted:



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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2006, 07:48:11 PM »
These were both natural - not removed from Camaros.
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2006, 02:16:25 AM »
This nos one looks correct unpainted from the manufacturer, quoted as grp 6.635  pn 5690846 for a variety of chevy's including 67-69 Camaro and 63-69 Corvette.
Of course, what happened on the assy line with regard to paint or no paint is another story. Perhaps the pump assembling was outsourced to a couple of places with one paintng the cap and the other not?

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2006, 02:18:43 AM »
hmmm....then there's the different colored plastic of the level indicator...

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2006, 04:03:13 AM »
That is the first short one I have seen with the white plastic stick.
Usually the ones for the taller pumps have had that color stick. Interesting.


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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2006, 04:46:24 AM »
I have seen a few unpainted caps. Not common (IMO) and they stand out.

Every 69 cap I've seen has been plastic (also via junkyarding). :) There also different lengths of the stick on the cap. Didn't realize that til recently....
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2006, 02:01:03 PM »
All the way back to the original question:  I think, 5690846 for a 68... But it would be great if Ed or someone could verify.

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2006, 03:52:18 PM »
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There also different lengths of the stick on the cap. Didn't realize that til recently....
Are the different lengths you note just for 69's? Are there just two different lengths and do you know what the lengths are?

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2006, 08:39:56 PM »
According to NCRS. The metal cap was used through mid 1969.
After late June or so - they went to the plastic caps.

NCRS is usually right on with this stuff. I have to believe that the Camaro was exactly the same.

The longer stick was used for the taller pumps used in the full size cars.

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2006, 08:48:10 PM »
Mine is black and plastic.  Assume it is original to the car - but no way of knowing for sure.  I don't remember ever seeing a metal cap on a '69.  Then again, i've slept since yesterday as well.
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2006, 08:54:16 PM »
Maybe they started using the plastic cap earlier on the Camaro.
I don't really know.  ???
But, whenever I saw a plastic cap on a 69, I always just assumed it was replaced.

I guess I could have grabbed a bunch of those over the years. :(

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2006, 05:26:43 PM »
I have an original oct (68) 69 with the original black plastic cap.

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2006, 05:42:59 PM »
So then are we saying that the Camaros originally came with a plastic PS cap in 69?
Are we sure? That would mean the Corvettes are different. ???

Does anyone have a picture of the exact writing on the top of an original 1969 plastic cap?
What would make the old one different then the current cap available from GM now?
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2006, 06:13:30 PM »
Not the best picture as this is cropped and enlarged from a picture of my engine prior to rebuild in 2005.

Wording says (corrected as per JohnZ noted):

"Use Approved Fluid"
"FIll to Proper Level"

This cap has always been with the car since I purchased it in Nov 1991.  I assume it is original to the car, but I have no way of knowing for sure.
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2006, 06:42:31 PM »
Exactly the same cap and wording as my 02D '69 - as in the photo above, it says "Use Approved Fluid", not "Use Proper Fluid".
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2006, 07:06:18 PM »
So are you guys saying that ALL 1969 Camaros had a plastic cap?
And that the Norwood and LA cars are the same?

What does CRG state on the record?

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2006, 08:07:07 PM »
Richard and Jeff, thanks for the pictures.  Great thread!  I guess we all learned something.  I did!

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2006, 09:00:51 PM »
Wait a minute?....I am not convinced yet.

The NCRS documented that the change from metal to plastic was in mid year 1969.
I believe the Camaro would have to be the same, should be the same. ???
I would really need more examples, or a "real definitive" answer from Kurt or John.  :P

The metal caps came off pretty easily, so even a documented all original car, could have lost it's PS cap back in 1970. The plastic ones held on much better. I have even lost a few metal ones here and there.


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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2006, 01:23:19 AM »
Don't know that this will clarify things any but the 5690846 was definitely used for the 67 & 68 years and was superceded in May of 70 with part number 7803820.

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2006, 03:59:36 PM »
That's why I was hoping someone with a P&A that covers those years would jump in...
So, Steve, are you verifying that there was no other cap "listed" from 5690846 to 7803820? 
In other words, what p/n(s) covered 69 cap(s)?
If 5690846 changed from metal to plastic in 69 at any time, would that have been reflected in the p/n?
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2006, 04:14:41 PM »
I think the other thing we must be cognizant of is when did this change apply to Camaros.  We aren't really interested in when it applied to Corvettes, Chevelles, Novas, etc.

There are many examples where parts which were eventually utilized by various GM cars were introduced at different times.  For example, 307 engine showed up in GM product in 1968, but not in Camaros until Jan 1969.  350 engines showed up in Camaros in 1967, but not in some of the other GM products until much later.

Just because a part became available on a certain date might not necessarily mean that from that date forward it was universally used by GM in all of their products.  In this case, the question is, did the black plastic PS Pump Cap become "standard issue" for the 69 Camaro perhaps earlier than others.
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2006, 05:47:13 PM »
That's why I was hoping someone with a P&A that covers those years would jump in...
So, Steve, are you verifying that there was no other cap "listed" from 5690846 to 7803820?
In other words, what p/n(s) covered 69 cap(s)?
If 5690846 changed from metal to plastic in 69 at any time, would that have been reflected in the p/n?

The P&A isn't always a reliable source for production parts usage; service parts were frequently released/listed that would "Service" the application functionally, with no concern for whether or not they "looked" the same, depending on inventory levels and usage rates.

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2006, 06:35:41 PM »
For example, 307 engine showed up in GM product in 1968, but not in Camaros until Jan 1969.  350 engines showed up in Camaros in 1967, but not in some of the other GM products until much later.
In this case, the question is, did the black plastic PS Pump Cap become "standard issue" for the 69 Camaro perhaps earlier than others.

What we have to remember, this cap is an accessory item, not a new engine, or a newly available option. At some point the PS pump manufacturer started using a plastic cap on the pumps they were supplying to GM.  The new cap would pretty much be used across all model lines. It was likely cheaper (and it worked better) to make the plastic cap, so that was why it was changed.

Items like that are requisitioned up in large batches.
However the 1969 PS pumps are slightly different then the 67/68 pump - that may have had something to do with it. The rear return outlet was redesigned to accommodate the accessory holes that were now being provided in the cylinder heads.

Maybe with the new pump design, came the new cap?  Just a thought for consideration. ;D

Maybe the old caps were used up, before the new caps were used?
Maybe both caps were being install at the same time? Maybe not?
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2006, 08:21:06 PM »
Thanks John.  That's a very pertinent point about "production" vs. "service" parts.

We actually have two different questions going here, and the second question seems to have superseded the original. 

So, a 68 cap 5690846 was metal and generally painted black with some possible exceptions to the paint... 

You 69 guys can solve the other question...

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2006, 09:37:20 PM »
To clarify my earlier post.....
Don't know that this will clarify things any but the 5690846 was definitely used for the 67 & 68 years and was superceded in May of 70 with part number 7803820.

Steve
By superceded I meant the part was "removed from service".  It was not "transferred" as in a p/n being "mixed" with another p/n until exhausted nor "substituted" as in a p/n being "used" instead of another p/n that was still available.   ???   Hope that helps and doesn't just make it more confusing.  :)

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2006, 04:40:26 AM »
So it sounds to me like the metal cap was still being used untill May 1970,
or at least untill mid year 69, just like the NCRS has documented in the Corvettes. Kinda what I thought.

No reason to be anythiing different. There were not two caps being used.
So at some point, all GM models went to a plastic cap.

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2006, 07:18:43 AM »
I had an Oct 68 Camaro, plastic cap. I've never seen any metal caps on an 69. Ever. That's way too many cars to be due to replacement. :)
Vettes have a different accessory design, the 69 metal cap may have been just that application.....

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« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2006, 02:22:00 PM »
Really I am trying to get someone to officially commit "on the record".
Kurt - Is it the CRG's official opinion then, That ALL 1969 Camaros used a plastic PS cap?

As always, there may be few exceptions I know, but for the most part, are you guys saying that:
ALL 1969 Camaros built in California and Ohio used a plastic PS cap.

67/8 used metal, 69 was plastic?. It would make sence because of the new pump design.
But possibly more reasearch needs to be done?  What do you think?  ???


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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2006, 08:28:35 PM »
Sorry guys but I've been away on business for the last several days.

Here's what the "good book" has to say (and remember, like JohnZ says, you can't always go by the P&A)...

Group 6.635

62-69 Nova, Camaro, Chevelle - Cap Assy, oil fill (tube gauge) - 5690846

However, again the P&A is inconsistant! On the very next line is shows:

69 Camaro - Cap Assy, filler - 7803820

No indications on what the caps are made of. Sorry...

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2006, 02:22:56 PM »
846 is metal.
820 is plastic.

At this time till someone can absolutly confirm,
I am going to keep the metal PS cap on my 03B Pace Car.
Sounds like we are just not sure.  :-\

I am going to go with what the NCRS says. :P

At least untill something can be proved either way.
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« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2006, 02:54:40 PM »
Ed - in my opinion the info. that you have provided is not necessarily inconsitent at all.

One possible interpretation of the p/n references in your previous post is:

62-69 Nova, Camaro, Chevelle - Cap Assy, oil fill (tube gauge) - 5690846 (which has been identified as the metal cap.  Since there is a seperate p/n for the '69 cap, the Camaro reference here  is for years other than '69.  Wouldn't be the first part number / year error ever made in a parts listing.) 

69 Camaro - Cap Assy, filler - 7803820  (plastic, black, clearly identified as the '69 cap)

Additionally , as many have previoulsy noted based on their own personal observations, no one has ever seen a metal cap on a '69 Camaro - matter of fact, just the opposite.  These observations (which include original cars) all have the black plastic cap.  At this point, the info in this thread would lead me to conclude that the black plastic cap is correct for the '69 Camaro.  We all know the quality of info. that  comes from NCRS sources and data - some of the best there is.  However, to assume a direct extrapolation of NCRS data to Camaros in all cases probably is not reasonable.  These are two different cars with two different bills of materials.
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2006, 03:13:17 PM »
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Although not clear, I would conclude, since there is a seperate p/n for the '69 cap, that the Camaro reference here  is for years other than '69

Rich,

No, I don't think so. If that was the case, the book would have stated something like:

62-69 Nova,
64-69 Chevelle,
67-68 Camaro - 5690846

That's the normal convention it uses if there's a change between the years.

But since it states "62-69 Nova, Chevelle (even though there was no 62 or 63 Chevelle), Camaro (again, even though there was no 62-66 Camaro)", I would say that the 69 Camaro may have started out with the metal cap and then changed to the plastic one at some point.

Another note we should look at is the date of my P&A, which is September, 1968. This would indicate that IF there was a change from metal to plastic, the change would have probably occurred very early in the 1969 model year. Perhaps a phase out of the metal cap in favor of the plastic. Since a power steering cap wouldn't make any difference in the drivability of the car, it's possible that the factory used both for a period of time until the metal caps were finally exhausted from stock.

Of course, I'm just guessing here.

JohnZ, was this a normal procedure for the factory to phase in or phase out parts over a period of time?

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2006, 12:12:15 AM »
Again, remembering what John said...
The October 1967 P&A says, "62-68 Chevy, Camaro, Chevelle... CAP ASSY., oil fliter (tube guage)... 5690846". It makes no mention of 7803820. And that's not a misprint. It does say "filter" for 5690846.

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« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2006, 12:26:19 AM »
I find it interesting that there is a mention of a new PS cap in the Sept 68 P/A book.
Looks like it was substituted early. Now I would like to determine just how early.

And why only the Camaro, and not the other models with the Log design manifolds ???

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« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2006, 01:17:10 AM »
Ed

Perhaps Rich is on target.  Taking into consideration they just neglected to delineate like you did in your post for the Camaro for 67-68.  I have had my head in these books for many years and if I had to make a call on this at this point I would say because the 69 has the separate listing for the Camaro it is the correct p/n for the entire year.  Especially since the 5690846 was apparently not being mixed with, or used instead of, any other part up to 5/70.  Sorry if my 2 cents upsets you Jeff but what do I know anyway.

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« Reply #50 on: May 24, 2006, 02:16:03 AM »
I am not going to get upset. Want to find out what is right. I have lots of caps laying around, switching would be a very easy fix.
I could use plastic on Thursdays - Saturday, and metal the rest of the week. Makes no difference to me. ::)

(The only thing upsetting to me, is how many plastic caps I let go to the crusher over the years  :o )

I don't want a guess, or a speculation. I want to prove absolutely what is right.
The true answer is going to come from research. Something it now appears CRG has not really done yet on this topic.  NCRS has been documenting this stuff for 30+ years. CRG will someday get caught up (thats what we are now doing - right?).  No one wants to commit to an answer. So that is enough for me to assume that we really are not sure.

Until we have the verified data in our hands everything is just a guess.
So anyone ready to commit? .... Go ahead - make my day. :D

The Camaro may have been the first model to use that cap, but there would have to be something out there showing when or why.  An internal memo, a purchase order, or something.

I have pulled metal caps off many a 1969 car. So there must have been a reason to change ONLY the Camaro in Sept. 1968 - 7 months before the Corvette changed.  And Like I said before it may have been the new heads with the accessory holes, and the need to redirect the return fitting.  That would certainly make perfect sense.....

Lets get together and find out why.   8)

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #51 on: May 25, 2006, 06:09:37 AM »
It's not something that had even come across our radar until now.
So there no group research to back it up, just individual recollections.

But Ed's P&A34 is pretty convincing since it shows the early 69 model year usage. I'll check my books when they get unpacked.....

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #52 on: May 25, 2006, 02:45:40 PM »
Another interesting thing I noticed...
In the 1969 Assembly manual the part number for the PS Pump is different for the L6 and the V8 engines.

L6 calls for pump #7805653 Pump Asm.
V8 calls for pump #7805656 Pump Asm.
V8 w396 calls for pump 7806370 pump asm.
This is all found in the N40 Section.

The picture of those V8 pumps are illustrated with a design shape that wasn't used until 1975.

I really think the PS pump was redesigned for the 1969 Small block heads with the accessory holes.
and ........
The newly designed pump was produced with a new plastic cap.

The listing application does not show a separate part# for the cap, so the caps were likely already attached to the pumps when delivered from the manufacturer.

The P&A book listing # may only be for the replacement items if only the cap was needed. ???
So it may be very likely that SB V8's 302 350 327 got a plastic cap and all others L6 and BB V8's 396's 427's got the metal one.

Or the pumps may have all been shipped with metal caps untill the supply was used up.

Just "thinking out loud" here, with possibilities.

Somewhere is the internal memos to prove what happened. Someone has them, we just got to find them.
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #53 on: May 26, 2006, 06:47:44 PM »
Just got back from my favorite junk yard.

There were some new(old) cars today.
1969 Skylark - Had a metal PS cap
1970 Skylark - Had a plastic PS cap with no inner line.
Grabbed them both. along with everything else I always take.  ;D

Now I know that this does not transfer to the Camaro - but this is what I have been seeing for years.
Additionally - It has always been rare for me to find Camaros that are scrapped.
Used to happen from time to time, but not any more.
So on this particular componet my expertise may not be Camaro.

But typically what I have seen accross the entire GM model lines is: 1969 were metal PS caps.  If the Camaro is different - that is something I would really like to prove.   ;)

Kinda of makes us special.

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #54 on: May 30, 2006, 05:51:17 PM »
In one of my copies of Chevrolet Service News (either Aug or Sep 1968), there is a general discussion of the major changes for the 1969 model year.  Under steering, there is a discussion of how the power steering pump is new for 1969 (for small block engines).  The information states taht the pump is new for 1969 and that previous year pumps will not work.  As mentioned in a previous post, the change fundamentally related to mounting location, hardware, etc. 

Chevrolet changed the location of the various accessory drives in order to package all of them (alternator, ps pump, ac compressor, smog pump) in as compact an arrangement as possible.

Nothing conclusive, just another tid bit of info - the pump changed at the beginning of the '69 model year and maybe the cap was a part of that change.
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #55 on: May 30, 2006, 06:52:33 PM »
My 69 307 has the plastic cap - presumed original not a lot has been done to the car over the years.

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #56 on: June 15, 2006, 02:18:20 AM »
I found a few plastic caps.  (now that I am looking)  ;)

The longer one came off a 1970 Fleetwood.  --  It is not vented in any way,

The shorter one came off a 1970 Cutlass - This is the same size pump used by Camaro.
This cap is vented all the way down through the center of the tube.

Both tops look identical, except for the hole throught the center of the short one.


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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #57 on: January 16, 2007, 02:01:36 AM »
if it helps-i was a teck in that era and worked on all these cars and as i recall they were painted black

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2007, 04:39:55 AM »
I just checked the P/S cap on my 02C built '68 Z/28. Here's what I have:
- metal cap (appears to have been originally painted black - most of this black paint is worn off).
- the words "USE AUTOMATIC TRANS FLUID TYPE A - CHECK OIL HOT".
- short (44 mm) black plastic tube (stick).
- "FULL" line on tube (stick) is 20 mm from the bottom of tube (stick).
- cap is vented on the top of the cap through the tube (stick).
- cap is a little loose on the P/S pump housing when it reaches the stops. OK it you back it off very slightly. worn gasket?
- I'm not 100% positive this is the original cap.
Hope this info helps.

Paul 

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2007, 05:28:05 AM »
That one likely is the original cap for your car.
No question that the 68's used metal.
still trying to determine exactly what month 69 Camaro switched to the "new" plastic cap.

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #60 on: January 29, 2007, 03:03:16 PM »
when i bought my 05A x77 car in 1977, it had 31,000 miles on it and it has the black plastic cap. i dont know what happened in the first eight years, but i would assume with 31,000 miles, that it would be original.
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #61 on: January 29, 2007, 03:41:42 PM »
I had know idea that what I thought would be a routine question, would blow out to a 4 page discussion!   :o   :)
The inoccent 68 power steer cap has stirred up a hornets nest of controversy and parts book searching!
The joy of trying to unravel the mystifying past   :P

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #62 on: January 30, 2007, 01:33:10 AM »
I just checked the P/S cap on my 02C built '68 Z/28. Here's what I have:
- metal cap (appears to have been originally painted black - most of this black paint is worn off).
- the words "USE AUTOMATIC TRANS FLUID TYPE A - CHECK OIL HOT".
- short (44 mm) black plastic tube (stick).
- "FULL" line on tube (stick) is 20 mm from the bottom of tube (stick).
- cap is vented on the top of the cap through the tube (stick).
- cap is a little loose on the P/S pump housing when it reaches the stops. OK it you back it off very slightly. worn gasket?
- I'm not 100% positive this is the original cap.
Hope this info helps.

Paul 
That is the same cap on my 11C 68 LA car which I also know is correct and original.
Every 69 in my shop now (3) have a black plastic cap-2 sb -11c and 09a one bb 07b.
My 69 El Camino sb 07c  has a plastic cap also.
I think we have a winner-Black plastic.
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2007, 03:34:02 PM »
I did finally change the PS cap on my 69 - 03D Z11 to a plastic.
However, I left the metal one in the trunk, just in case. :)

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #64 on: January 30, 2007, 07:18:53 PM »
Hi Frank -

   Thanks for confirming your P/S cap is the same (and original) as mine. I'm going to declare my cap to be original also. It too is a Los Angeles car.

Paul

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #65 on: February 01, 2007, 02:14:23 AM »
For what its worth, my 05A, Norwood 69Z had just over 45K miles before the restoration.  I can not be 100% sure but my PS pump appears to be original to my car and it has a metal cap.

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #66 on: February 01, 2007, 02:32:41 AM »
That is why I kept the metal one in the trunk, just in case. ::)
Acording to the 5 pages of discussion here in this thread.
That is not the original cap for your car - Or is it? ???

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #67 on: February 01, 2007, 10:06:51 PM »
dave, we should get together and compare notes on our cars, as they were built the same week!

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #68 on: February 02, 2007, 02:31:56 PM »
Even in the concours judging, we want to see a natural cap on 67 and 68 and black on the 69s.

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #69 on: February 04, 2007, 05:21:25 AM »
Even in the concours judging, we want to see a natural cap on 67 and 68 and black on the 69s.

Jerry

Is the PS cap metal or plastic for 1969?

The Corvettes changed to the plastic cap in mid April 1969- were the Camaros the same?

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #70 on: February 05, 2007, 04:07:18 AM »
I am corrected from my prior post of possible overspray on my cap. :-[
Jerry is right  ;D

My cap is natural-the black was old grim and the under side shows no signs of ever being painted-now (that I have it apart to reseal it).
On another post I checked the pump numbers which are correct also and un restored or replaced since new like the cap.
Thanks
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #71 on: March 05, 2007, 06:53:16 AM »
For what its worth, i have a sept. 68 LA car 09B .L5014XX It has the plastic cap. All org. drivetrain when found.

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #72 on: November 16, 2014, 06:15:51 PM »
OK, I know this is an OLD thread!   What was the outcome here for a 69 cap???   Metal or Plastic???
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #73 on: November 16, 2014, 07:37:09 PM »
I, personally, have never seen a 69 CAMARO with an original metal cap. I have seen metal caps on 69 other models. I will stick out my neck and declare plastic for 69 F bodys based on many observations.
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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #74 on: November 17, 2014, 09:02:32 PM »
Agreed.

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Re: Power steer pump cap
« Reply #75 on: November 17, 2014, 11:11:42 PM »
Thanks guys.