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« on: May 03, 2006, 07:22:01 PM »

Following pictures taken 2 May 2006 in Atlanta.
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2006, 07:22:36 PM »

First 3 pictures
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2006, 07:27:56 PM »

Next 3 pictures

Note mocked up engine compartment in top picture and console gage cluster and dash layout in middle picture.
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2006, 12:31:53 AM »

Personally love it....most exciting thing to come from GM in many MANY years.   Only thing GM is good for these days is rental cars.

Love the retro styling...which they claim it isn't...but it sure as heck looks retro to me. Wink
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2006, 10:10:31 AM »

If Chevy has the Courage to build it. This it will be best thing from GM since 1974. Ten bucks says they don't.
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2006, 02:31:37 PM »

I believe that one of Chevy's biggest issues with the Camaro, beginning way back in '67, was how to keep the performance up so as to compete with the rest of the muscle car market and at the same time, not dig too deeply into Corvette sales - an issue that Ford, for example, with the Mustang doesn't have to worry about.

Case in point, when I bought my '95 Z28 (still my daily driver) new in January 1995, I paid $18,022 total to the dealer.  For that very reasonable price, I got 90+% of the performance of the '95 Corvette.  Same engine (LT1) and same 6 spd manual gearbox with 3.73 posi rear end.  Chevy purposely restricted the intake somewhat and unlike the Corvette, the Z28 did not have a true dual exhaust from the engine back.  So net engine HP was a little de-reated from the Corvette, but not seriously - and all for less than 1/2 the cost of the 'Vette.

Chevy will be struggling with the same issues here.  If they do indeed make the car, and put the LS2 in it, you will have a vehicle that will be about the same size as a 'Vette, with basically the same drivetrain.  If the Camaro is to go back into production aimed at the same market as before, Chevy will have to price the Camaro appropriately.  The same old issue will be there:  striking the balance between pricing the Camaro "with almost Corvette performance" appropriately in order to compete with the Mustang, but not priced so low as to create Camaro buyers at the expense of Corvette sales.
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2006, 09:13:26 PM »

OK, I'm starting to warm up to it... especially the interior and back end.
You might think you were behind a vette from behind...
I see the yellow bow tie...  Have they said anything about SS or Zs?
Is the blonde in the first picture standard or optional?
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2006, 12:25:49 PM »

I still don't like the car, though it may be grow on me.    I think it needs to be much more retro as in 1rst. gen. styling.    But then they did not ask for my opinion.    That said, they may miss a huge part of potential market (baby boomers) by not making significant changes.   Anyone agree, or am I in a dream world???
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2006, 06:28:52 PM »

I still don't like the car, though it may be grow on me.    I think it needs to be much more retro as in 1rst. gen. styling.    But then they did not ask for my opinion.    That said, they may miss a huge part of potential market (baby boomers) by not making significant changes.   Anyone agree, or am I in a dream world???
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Yep I agree fully - and if they don't retro the pre-production units more and soon enough to attract interest and satisfy the 'Boomers' they will lose so much hype by the time it is actually introduced, that the car will get shelved for lack of sales soon after it gets into production, if it does get that far...
Don't forget its the 50's and up age bracket that wants the retro stuff mostly, and they are the ones that have the $$$'s to be able to play with and now afford one that is decently equipped not the 20's group (I'm guessing pricing in the mid thirtie$$$ - in a form that will do the Camaro name some performance justice - not a V6-thing with a 3 speed auto for $27,000 with tires). Anyone who says otherwise has forgotten how the Mustang sales stomped the last version or two of Camaros produced and why!
IMHO - Chev will be so late , so overpriced, and so off the target with this not only with the styling, but with the way they market it - that it will fail miserably(what have they done right in the last 10 or more years otherwise to make us believe they can suddenly get it right now Huh except for the Vette - and those performance toes can't be stepped on by other division models as we have been seem in the past).
Others will have their comments I'm sure - if it ever comes to be - it will be interesting to see how it will play out nonetheless.
I still don't like the car as it is now either - but I will admit that as always, styling is a very subjective and personal thing, but that is what made our North American auto industry different from the others back when the cars wars were in full swing... It may grow on me but so far and after a couple of months of pictures, I have to admit I don't have any more appreciation of it now than previously... - Randy
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2006, 08:02:32 PM »

I also agree that the back looks beter than the front .

Hopefully Chevy understands, as previously mentioned, it's the boomers, not the tuners who will make this car a success - if it makes it into production.  Hopefully, someone from GM looks at the CRG forum occasionally and will take notes.

Nothing mentioned in the pitch at the Atlanta show about SS, Z28, etc. - the blonde must be standard - no mention of her on the option list either.
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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2006, 01:35:37 PM »

Great pics Rich - thanks for sharing those Cheesy
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2006, 08:40:43 AM »

One of my favorites

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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2006, 05:01:39 PM »

I found this today at the following linK:  http://www.gminsidenews.com/index.php?page=Future_Product_Guide
Looks like a GM supported website of "insider news".

For Model Yerar2009, Chevrolet:-

Chevrolet Camaro:

Rumors state that the Camaro is on for model-year 2009.  Cheesy   Expect the design of the car to follow what that of the Camaro Concept car in coupe and convertible form. Power is said to come from the 3.6L V6 and an optional 6.0L LS2 V8. GM’s Oshawa, Ontario, Canada plant is likely where this Camaro will call home.

Addtional info. at this link as well:  http://www.5thgen.org/   which was referenced in a previous post.
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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2006, 04:24:51 PM »

From today's auto news:

GM Looks to Sell 100,000 New Chevrolet Camaros 
The Daily Auto Insider
Wednesday, May 17, 2006
 

General Motors can sell more than 100,000 units of a new Chevrolet Camaro based on a concept unveiled at the Detroit auto show, Automotive News reported.

In an interview with the trade publication, GM's Product chief, Robert Lutz, said the company is doing "intense work" on engineering for a production version and analyzing a business case for the car. But, Lutz added, "Is it an approved program? No." He said he expected a decision on building the sporty coupe within six months.

However, Lutz said GM wouldn't consider building the car unless it could sell more than 100,000 a year. The Camaro's prime competitor would be the Ford Mustang, which sold 160,975 units in the United States last year, the story said.

 
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I found this today at the following linK:  http://www.gminsidenews.com/index.php?page=Future_Product_Guide
Looks like a GM supported website of "insider news".

For Model Yerar2009, Chevrolet:-

Chevrolet Camaro:

Rumors state that the Camaro is on for model-year 2009. Cheesy Expect the design of the car to follow what that of the Camaro Concept car in coupe and convertible form. Power is said to come from the 3.6L V6 and an optional 6.0L LS2 V8. GM’s Oshawa, Ontario, Canada plant is likely where this Camaro will call home.

Addtional info. at this link as well: http://www.5thgen.org/ which was referenced in a previous post.

 IMHO Chevy better hurry - rumors on CNN. today suggest that the new Mustang 500hp Cobra due out this summer already has at least a $20,000 over sticker bidding price and they may end up going out even higher due to the fact that there are a couple available to each selected dealer - There may not be many big dollar takers left by 2009 for the (new small c) camaro - that and the high pref retro market may start to dry up in 3 - 4 years anyway due to changes in emission standards, crash requirements, and gas guzzler taxes etc.
  If you recall the real high performance times in the sixties only really lasted from late '65's thru to late '70's so by announcing it's availablility until 2009 this whole mess might just blow up in GM's face again as the market could have basically started to dry up - just in time for the new camaro's launch. Considering many of GM's other marketing fiascos over the years - it's really not that much of a stretch to imagine it occurring that way - hope not but....
  If the camaro did only show up with the LS2 in the hottest model and people had to pay over sticker to get one, it would probably only serve to make the Corvette more attractive to buyers in the long run - Randy
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2006, 07:26:45 PM »

You may be tragically right about GM getting in too late.  It took them three full production years to get into the pony car market, and by '73 the emission standards really slowed down the muscle car market.  BY 2010 we may all be paying $10 a gallon for gas or driving hydrogen cars.  I never thought about the Vette being a better buy.  But you've got a real idea there.  We may also be fighting very hard in every state to exempt classic cars from gas guzzler taxes, etc. by then!
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2006, 10:19:37 AM »

If anyone cares, there is a lot of good info regarding the new Mustang retro Shelby/Cobra in the newest Hot Rod magazine out for July 2006 (how can they get so far ahead date-wise???) regarding the performance details, driving impressions, and costs of it. Anyway, it seems like the LS2 that Chev may stuff into the new (c)amaro might not be initially enough to ward off the close to 500 hp that the new Cobra will be packing - oh well back to the drawing board...
Anyway - aside from the Shelby article itself - I don't normally read the rants from the editors in their mags since they generally don't really say much, but in this edition David Frieburger (sp??) talks about the timing of the (c)amaro into the retro fray and the new Mustang and other models that may materialize eventually - but the best part of his ditty is where he states essentailly what  he believes all manunfacturers should be doing and when, to get any interest and sales in this newest faze of hot performance market cars, and I for one fully agree with him - see if any of you agree with it as well - the feedback would be interesting...Much of it sounds exactly like what Ford is actually doing at the present time.
It is also interesting to note that Ford not only will make available to the Shelby (and lower retro models of the Mustang) 'over the counter' optional performance packages to suit the new owner in his wish to either make his car a lot better handling or faster straight line etc. just by going down to the dealer and plunking down the $$'s and taking the boxes of parts home and wrenching for a weekend himself. Sort of the grassroots approach that made the Mustang appealling in the late eighties and early ninties and helped it kick the hell out the past decade or two of Camaros and their sales
 I do think Ford has a better idea - and is showing it again... No I'm not a Ford fan in the least - but have to give credit where credit is due...
I don't really think GM has a hope in hell of capturing much of any of this not only by the timing of their proposed new (c)amaro model but in the way they will approach the whole thing when and if they do get one out - considering the past... Its too bad!!! 
There is also a great artist's impression of what a frontal view of a new Firebird retro model would look like with using the new (c)amaro body styling and I have to admit to me it looks absolutely perfect in a retro-sense. Unfortunately the new (c)amaro rendition just doesn't look as right or as instantly recognizable to me   - Randy
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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2006, 11:56:32 AM »

I agree, the front end of the Camaro Concept Car is its weak link - GM Pay Attention!

Look at how good the new Shelby GT500 looks!  (Atlanta Auto Show - 2 May 06)
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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2006, 11:58:07 AM »

I'm glad the Camaro is coming back but I just don't like the looks of this one. Sad
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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2006, 07:50:53 PM »

I gotta agree that the New Shelby looks great!   The Camaro is just to futuristic.  Especially the front end.  If they do make the Camaro in '09, what are they gonna do for updates to the styling?   It already looks like something out of Star Wars now.   The new Challenger is also a drop dead car.  I've been and out of Camaros and Chevelles for 35 years but would opt for either of those and not the new Camaro.  If GM doesn't give it a more retro look, it'll end up like the new GTO..... in obscurity.      J.R.
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« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2006, 09:26:14 AM »

I truly agree. I would rather have a buldozer than ( is that a Camaro ?) Tongue Embarrassed
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