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« on: July 20, 2010, 06:53:14 PM »

I have determined that my son's 69 came with the heavy trunk prop rod/spring, which if I understand correctly means it had a rear spoiler fromt he factory, the D80 option. If I further understand it D80 also included the front spoiler. Could the rear spoiler be factory by itself, or was it always with the front spoiler and was anything else included with them? I am just trying to document its original as best I can before I erase any signs of originality, not that it will really matter, I have just spent so much time documenting my Mopars, its a sickness.

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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2010, 08:02:05 PM »

D80 included both front and rear spoilers.

All '69s w/D80 produced in calendar year '68 had a '68 rear spoiler; narrower than the '69. Approximately 01B the '69 spoiler entered production, perhaps on an allocation basis as the '68 was still used on some cars. I know of no Z11 or early-build Yenko with a '68 spoiler.

By 03B or so all had the '69.
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2010, 08:05:50 PM »

Thank you its a 12C car, any dimensions on the 2 spoilers end to end show I can determine if it the original still on the car?
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2010, 09:34:29 PM »

The '68 rear spoiler does not extend to the outer edge of the '69 quarter panel.
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2010, 10:59:06 PM »

Is a 69 trunk lid the same as a 68?  I was able to determine that my spoiler was not factory as the holes were not punched in the trunk lid for the Camaro emblem that had to be moved up.
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2010, 06:48:06 AM »

Where the whole punch for the original emblem location on all 69 lids?? I'll have to check for that. Very interesting stuff, great info. Thanks guys.
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2010, 09:50:37 AM »

Where the whole punch for the original emblem location on all 69 lids?? I'll have to check for that. Very interesting stuff, great info. Thanks guys.

Yes - original deck lids had the holes die-pierced for the standard emblem location.
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2010, 05:27:34 PM »



This is my 68 trunk lid, upper right corner.  The holes at the bottom would have been pierced if the factory had put on a spoiler so the Camaro Emblem would be above the spoiler.
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2010, 06:24:38 AM »

Thanks, so the original emplem holes would be there in every case (typical) on an original deck lid.
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2010, 05:08:44 PM »

That's my understanding of the way the factory did it.  Dealer add ons, not necessarily so.
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2010, 05:20:38 PM »

Thank you, it has the big support strut, so I'm reasonably sure it was a D80 car, dealers or owner would probably have not changed that even if they added a spoiler. I need to see if the wholes are there and take the paint down to see if the original color is under there. Not that it really matters, just trying to document as best I can.

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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2010, 08:41:51 AM »

Where the whole punch for the original emblem location on all 69 lids?? I'll have to check for that. Very interesting stuff, great info. Thanks guys.

Yes - original deck lids had the holes die-pierced for the standard emblem location.

Thanks, so the original emplem holes would be there in every case (typical) on an original deck lid.



No there is a research topic on this... please reference, as the changeover to no lower punched holes is believed to coincide with the change of Firebird Production from Lordstown.
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2010, 08:58:45 AM »

Also look for a hole in the front subframe for the center support bar for the front spoiler. Someone here probably has a pic.
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2010, 11:09:07 AM »

<<Also look for a hole in the front subframe for the center support bar for the front spoiler. Someone here probably has a pic.>>

Here's a photo of the center support rod attachment to the subframe.
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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2010, 10:57:44 PM »

Thanks, I'll check in a the next couple of weeks. I'm in Philly til late Thursday night and leave for the Nats early Friday, not even sure I will walk by my shop for the next couple of weeks.
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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2010, 07:35:53 PM »

Glad everyone is back. I actually finally looked this week end and it has the hole in the subframe. The picture above isn't showing anymore but I believe its the correct one. Did anything else come with the D80 option or just front and rear spoilers?
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2010, 09:40:46 AM »

Glad everyone is back. I actually finally looked this week end and it has the hole in the subframe. The picture above isn't showing anymore but I believe its the correct one. Did anything else come with the D80 option or just front and rear spoilers?

Nope - just the spoilers.
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2010, 09:33:29 PM »

Thanks, the picture came through tonight and it is the correct hole.
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2010, 11:35:22 PM »

When did  d80 become standard? and was it coded into the trim tag?
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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2010, 04:41:11 AM »

Spoilers (D80): The spoiler option was not available in 1967 on any Camaro. It became available as an option on all cars (except those with a rear antenna) in 68-69. It was not mandatory on any car, except for the 69 pace car replicas and later 69 Z's.
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Here's a picture of my tag with the D80.
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« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2010, 03:13:49 PM »

Is the bolt supposed to be pointing down as in the picture? Looks like a hazzard when sliding under on a creeper.
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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2010, 09:59:04 AM »

Is the bolt supposed to be pointing down as in the picture? Looks like a hazzard when sliding under on a creeper.

If you're asking about the center brace rod-to-subframe attachment, that's the way it was designed; see the Assembly Manual.
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« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2010, 03:06:47 PM »

I guess I need to turn mine around.
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« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2010, 03:08:41 PM »

Is that hole only on D80 cars? Or on all subframes?
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« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2010, 05:01:05 PM »

A subframe was not D80 prejudiced, none had the hole until the spoiler was mounted.
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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2010, 11:03:47 AM »

Is that hole only on D80 cars? Or on all subframes?

The subframe hole was drilled using the brace rod as the drill fixture, as shown in the Assembly Manual.
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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2010, 10:27:37 AM »

Had a look at mine. It does not have the 5/16 nut and bolt as shown in the pic. above. It has a 1/4 self tapping screw installed. Hole is to small for the 5/16 bolt. A variation?
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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2010, 08:20:22 PM »

 I notice your bolt drops in from the top & a nut is added.On my 69Z10 the subframe is treaded & the bolt just screws in to the frame to hold the spoiler bracket on??
<<Also look for a hole in the front subframe for the center support bar for the front spoiler. Someone here probably has a pic.>>

Here's a photo of the center support rod attachment to the subframe.
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« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2010, 09:26:08 PM »

I doubt it's threaded, I bet it's a self tapping screw,
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« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2010, 07:22:28 AM »

I doubt it's threaded, I bet it's a self tapping screw,
As is mine.
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« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2010, 09:44:54 AM »

I notice your bolt drops in from the top & a nut is added.On my 69Z10 the subframe is treaded & the bolt just screws in to the frame to hold the spoiler bracket on?

That's not typical of factory production - they didn't use a self-tapping screw.
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« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2010, 10:46:33 AM »

my 05A 69 z is also a tapped hole. maybe done later on to streamline things. sounds like a new thread!!
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« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2010, 10:52:04 AM »

lets start posting production dates! jacmac, l78steve anybody else?
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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2010, 06:56:03 PM »

69 Z10 04c The sub frame is threaded for a 5/16 bolt "course"
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« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2010, 12:40:17 PM »

There were NO drilled and tapped holes created anywhere in the assembly plant, and if self-tapping screws had been used in that metal thckness, they would have been FINE thread (5/16"-24). Thousands of spoilers have been added (or replaced), and ALL of the "kits" the vendors sell for attaching them are wrong.
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« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2010, 08:39:41 AM »

Mine has not been replaced. Its a real 04C Z/28,with the original sub frame. This time period included D80. The hole is too small for a 5/16 bolt to slip through and use a nut. A zip screw is a lot faster to install than a bolt,lock washer and nut. Maybe someone realized this since it is only holding a piece of plastic?  Huh
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« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2010, 07:22:55 PM »

Mine is 12C and I remember it to be a 5/16 hole, definitely a screw in from the bottom not a bolt and nut situation.
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« Reply #37 on: October 16, 2010, 09:10:01 PM »

when did D-80 become a mandatory option in 69 z-28s ?
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« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2010, 09:25:08 PM »

when did D-80 become a mandatory option in 69 z-28s ?

Spoilers were optional on Z28's up to approximately April 69. They were then included in the Z28 package.

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« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2010, 12:12:50 PM »

Why did they start stamping D-80 in the trim tag in may 69 when other options such as am/fm or engines  such as L-78 weren't ? Plus it wasn't stamped in earlier production cars (04and prior) when it wasn't a mandatory option?-why?.
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« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2010, 09:30:24 AM »

Why did they start stamping D-80 in the trim tag in may 69 when other options such as am/fm or engines  such as L-78 weren't ? Plus it wasn't stamped in earlier production cars (04and prior) when it wasn't a mandatory option?-why?.

Codes stamped on the trim tag were only for Fisher Body information; if an option didn't directly affect how the body was built, painted and trimmed, it wasn't on the trim tag - Chevrolet never looked at it. Incorporation of coding on the trim tag was up to the local Fisher Body plant production control department for their own convenience; that's why trim tag coding was different between Norwood and Van Nuys.
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« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2010, 10:21:03 AM »

My 04C has no D80 on the tag but D80 was mandatory in this time period.
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« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2011, 07:32:50 AM »

I was told years ago that if you bumped a curb with the spoiler that the support rods would do a number on the sheetmetal- bend fender? seemed to make sense to me so I had never installed the rods fearing this. had thought about using nylon bolts that would break away saving the sheet metal- any thoughts on this? I will be driving my car and I'm carefull but you know "stuff" happens
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« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2011, 07:41:55 AM »

Why did they start stamping D-80 in the trim tag in may 69 when other options such as am/fm or engines  such as L-78 weren't ? Plus it wasn't stamped in earlier production cars (04and prior) when it wasn't a mandatory option?-why?.

We theorize it is because of the different deck lid design required by the phasing in of the Firebird Trans Am production at Norwood.
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