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« on: April 19, 2006, 09:12:25 PM »

If a car came with rally wheels was the spare also a rally? I have an original car but not sure if the wheels are. They are correct coded rallys but the spare wheel is a steel wheel with body color.
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2006, 10:01:11 PM »

All 5 wheel/tire assemblies matched unless the car was ordered with N65 space-saver spare, available only with 14" wheels.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2006, 01:41:57 PM »

My '69 RS has all 5 original 14" rally wheels.  At one time, I verified that the code, on all 5 of the Kelsey Hayes ralleys, was the same. Can't seem to find that info right now.  Guess I'll have to note it again next time one of the wheel is off the car.

As an aside, when I bought the car in 1991, it actually had what may have been one of the original tires on the spare in the trunk, a Goodyear Polyglas E7014.  That tire is still the spare tire in the trunk to this day.  Hope I never have a flat, as I would not want to have to consider the use of that tire.  The tires that I have on the car are repro Polyglas E7014's to match the one in the trunk.  If not the original tire, looks good.
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2006, 06:36:20 PM »

E70 x 14 tires were never available as original equipment on a 1969 Camaro.

The standard size [non-SS or Z/28] was E78 x 14; F70 x 14 optional.

SS cars had F70 x 14 as the standard size; several varieties were optional.

Z/28s and COPOs also equipped with 9737 used E70 x 15. There were no 15" tire options.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2006, 07:01:32 PM »

What were the optional tire sizes for an SS?
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2006, 07:55:59 PM »

Only F70-14 was available, but you could get them in blackwall, redline, and a few white letter variaties.
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2006, 12:44:32 PM »

What would be the correct P-Metric equivalents for E78x14 and F70x14?
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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2006, 05:14:35 PM »

Looks to me like E78x14 is today's P205/70 R14 and the F70x14 is today's P215/70 R14; 8 inch wide and 8.5 inch wide (approx) tires.

From the following link:  http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/chevylist/tech/tire_size_conversion.htm

Assuming that I am reading the chart correctly - not the most intuitive thing.
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2006, 02:23:36 PM »

Here is a cute little tire caculator:
Tire Caculator

It won't give you the old format, but it can compare different tire sizes.
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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2006, 10:58:35 PM »

Would a 69 SS equipped with 14"x 7" wheels come with a 14"x6" spare wheel? What color would the spare wheel be?

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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2006, 12:05:29 PM »

Would a 69 SS equipped with 14"x 7" wheels come with a 14"x6" spare wheel? What color would the spare wheel be?

John

All 5 wheel/tire assemblies matched unless the car was ordered with N65 space-saver spare, available only with 14" wheels.
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2013, 10:40:51 PM »

is this true as far as the 5 all match - including the optional SS wheels as well?
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2013, 10:49:18 PM »

Yes.
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2013, 10:51:01 PM »

William,

My understanding is that any '69 Camaros ordered with the 4-wheel disk brakes also included the 15" rallye wheel (or it was a mandatory associated option?)  I assume this would even be true with the one 6-cyl Camaro that was supposedly ordered with the 4-wh disks?

E70 x 14 tires were never available as original equipment on a 1969 Camaro.

The standard size [non-SS or Z/28] was E78 x 14; F70 x 14 optional.

SS cars had F70 x 14 as the standard size; several varieties were optional.

Z/28s and COPOs also equipped with 9737 used E70 x 15. There were no 15" tire options.
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2013, 10:52:49 PM »

Kurt, thansk for your time

 thanks for the advise- -now i  need 5 of the ss wheels dated nov of 68!
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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2013, 01:28:39 PM »

William,

My understanding is that any '69 Camaros ordered with the 4-wheel disk brakes also included the 15" rallye wheel (or it was a mandatory associated option?)  I assume this would even be true with the one 6-cyl Camaro that was supposedly ordered with the 4-wh disks?

E70 x 14 tires were never available as original equipment on a 1969 Camaro.

The standard size [non-SS or Z/28] was E78 x 14; F70 x 14 optional.

SS cars had F70 x 14 as the standard size; several varieties were optional.

Z/28s and COPOs also equipped with 9737 used E70 x 15. There were no 15" tire options.

JL8 included 15" wheels when not ordered with Z/28. Only one such car is known to exist.
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« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2013, 06:21:18 PM »

Don't forget the other option - SS five spoke wheels, 14 X 7 AO code K-H's, available up until late '68 if I remember correctly, I've always called them SS-1's. Some people like 'em, some don't, but I'm happy to have all 5 of mine on the L78 X66 12A barn car.

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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2013, 11:27:07 PM »

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My understanding is that any '69 Camaros ordered with the 4-wheel disk brakes also included the 15" rallye wheel (or it was a mandatory associated option?)  I assume this would even be true with the one 6-cyl Camaro that was supposedly ordered with the 4-wh disks?

E70 x 14 tires were never available as original equipment on a 1969 Camaro.

The standard size [non-SS or Z/28] was E78 x 14; F70 x 14 optional.

SS cars had F70 x 14 as the standard size; several varieties were optional.

Z/28s and COPOs also equipped with 9737 used E70 x 15. There were no 15" tire options.

JL8 included 15" wheels when not ordered with Z/28. Only one such car is known to exist.
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I've heard about the 6 cyl car either here or TC, and I have a friend with a '69 SS396 HT with factory JL8.
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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2013, 01:32:22 PM »

Steve what are the dates or date on your wheels... ED take NOTE!!!
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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2013, 02:10:09 PM »

William,

My understanding is that any '69 Camaros ordered with the 4-wheel disk brakes also included the 15" rallye wheel (or it was a mandatory associated option?)  I assume this would even be true with the one 6-cyl Camaro that was supposedly ordered with the 4-wh disks?

E70 x 14 tires were never available as original equipment on a 1969 Camaro.

The standard size [non-SS or Z/28] was E78 x 14; F70 x 14 optional.

SS cars had F70 x 14 as the standard size; several varieties were optional.

Z/28s and COPOs also equipped with 9737 used E70 x 15. There were no 15" tire options.

JL8 included 15" wheels when not ordered with Z/28. Only one such car is known to exist.

There was a 15" tire option in 68 and 1 documented 1968 SS was discovered in 2011 with the option, may be 69's out there too. My friend has the MacNeish certified 307ci, 4 speed, JL8 car found in a Southern California field> currently under restoration.
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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2013, 08:29:18 PM »

Don't forget the other option - SS five spoke wheels, 14 X 7 AO code K-H's, available up until late '68 if I remember correctly, I've always called them SS-1's. Some people like 'em, some don't, but I'm happy to have all 5 of mine on the L78 X66 12A barn car.

Another senior moment - I scrambled over the pile in the garage looking for date codes on my N66 SS rally wheels, only to discover that they are not AO code '70 Chevelle wheels (I was apparently remembering the '70 LS5 I sold last year), but are YA code Camaro wheels like they are supposed to be. That's what I get for owning a Chevelle ( at least I sold it to afford my '68 Z). I have to assume they are not Kelseys ? No "K" code, all are marked M19, dates range from 4/23 - 5/28. Car is a 12A '68 X66. My bad - leaped before I looked.

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« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2013, 11:29:13 AM »

.. but are YA code Camaro wheels like they are supposed to be. I have to assume they are not Kelseys ? No "K" code, all are marked M19, dates range from 4/23 - 5/28. Car is a 12A '68 X66. My bad - leaped before I looked.

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As I recall, those wheels were made by Motor Wheel Corporation in Lansing, Michigan (another major GM wheel supplier).
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2013, 02:01:20 PM »

Don't forget the other option - SS five spoke wheels, 14 X 7 AO code K-H's, available up until late '68 if I remember correctly, I've always called them SS-1's. Some people like 'em, some don't, but I'm happy to have all 5 of mine on the L78 X66 12A barn car.

Just an FYI, but YA coded wheels were not exclusive to the camaro. They were used in 1969 on both the camaro and chevelle. AO coded wheels were used on 1970 chevelle. 

Another senior moment - I scrambled over the pile in the garage looking for date codes on my N66 SS rally wheels, only to discover that they are not AO code '70 Chevelle wheels (I was apparently remembering the '70 LS5 I sold last year), but are YA code Camaro wheels like they are supposed to be. That's what I get for owning a Chevelle ( at least I sold it to afford my '68 Z). I have to assume they are not Kelseys ? No "K" code, all are marked M19, dates range from 4/23 - 5/28. Car is a 12A '68 X66. My bad - leaped before I looked.

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« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2013, 11:01:01 AM »

Some people like 'em, some don't, but I'm happy to have all 5 of mine on the L78 X66 12A barn car.

Hope your using the X66 term to describe your car, and not saying its on your Dec 68 12A cowl tag. Shocked
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« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2013, 05:15:45 PM »

Mark,
Some people like 'em, some don't, but I'm happy to have all 5 of mine on the L78 X66 12A barn car.

Hope your using the X66 term to describe your car, and not saying its on your Dec 68 12A cowl tag. Shocked


Mark,
That's exactly what he is doing..  Sometimes it's just easier to call it that when describing..
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« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2013, 07:47:11 PM »

Precisely - thanks, DW -

If the creeping thing was a 12B or C, I wouldn't have to go through the guesswork of whether it's an X66 or an X22. Gotta be one or the other, but with no original paperwork, how can I tell ?

I don't think it is a Style Trim car (not an RS, anyway due to the rear valance), standard interior, no console, and the quarters are not drilled for gills. My guess is that it's an X66 -

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« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2013, 01:26:56 PM »

I am only familiar with the X33 and X77 models (Z/28). I am learning more about the others, so my question is your guessing your car is a X66 because of no style trim. There was a 69 SS 396 car on ebay with a report by Jerry, it is a X66 car with style trim ebay completed auction 261256670270. A nice original car 1 repaint, but it is not mentioned in the report of having the wrong trim on it. I am unsure what constitutes a X22 car.
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« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2013, 10:16:15 PM »

The X66 is the same trim as the X77 except all SS cars had the shark gills in the quarters....Joe
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« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2013, 12:45:09 AM »

So on the car that Jerry inspected they added the headlight trim, tail light trim and wheel well moulding, and then Jerry didn't call any of that out?
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« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2013, 07:05:47 AM »

I take back what I said. It's not the same as the X77 but it is the same as X55. I guess SS cars had the bright work except the wheel well & rain gutter on X66. I should know that...I own one...Joe
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« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2013, 09:02:30 AM »

Precisely - thanks, DW -

If the creeping thing was a 12B or C, I wouldn't have to go through the guesswork of whether it's an X66 or an X22. Gotta be one or the other, but with no original paperwork, how can I tell ?

I'd assume there would be an X6 or an X2 hand written on the bulkhead behind the rear seat. My 12B has an X1.

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« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2013, 09:21:26 AM »

So on the car that Jerry inspected they added the headlight trim, tail light trim and wheel well moulding, and then Jerry didn't call any of that out?

It's common for owners to display a Camaro Hi- Performance certificate. The inspection always includes a listing of non-original parts and incorrect features if it is a restoration. I'm sure it was noted.
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« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2013, 11:00:29 PM »

sorry I din't mean to hijack this thread, just trying to learn.
Well unless they added it after the inspection, it was not noted int he report.
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« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2014, 12:13:35 PM »

Don't forget the other option - SS five spoke wheels, 14 X 7 AO code K-H's, available up until late '68 if I remember correctly, I've always called them SS-1's. Some people like 'em, some don't, but I'm happy to have all 5 of mine on the L78 X66 12A barn car.

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« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2014, 08:15:01 PM »

JohnZ,
Did Motor Wheel supply finished painted wheels (low volume)?
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Did the assembly plants mask and spray 2 colors on the wheels?
Perhaps this could provide an answer to the grey back question regarding 69 Trans AM Rally II's (grey backs on survivors assembled at Norwood) as well.

 

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« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2014, 09:30:55 AM »

JohnZ,
Did Motor Wheel supply finished painted wheels (low volume)?
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Did the assembly plants mask and spray 2 colors on the wheels?
Perhaps this could provide an answer to the grey back question regarding 69 Trans AM Rally II's (grey backs on survivors assembled at Norwood) as well.

 



I can't speak to the Pontiac Rally II wheels - I don't recall how those were handled - I was at Norwood before Firebird production was transferred there. The standard Pontiac wheels were black primer on the back side, based on Lordstown photos.
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« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2014, 06:35:35 PM »

Don't forget the other option - SS five spoke wheels, 14 X 7 AO code K-H's, available up until late '68 if I remember correctly, I've always called them SS-1's. Some people like 'em, some don't, but I'm happy to have all 5 of mine on the L78 X66 12A barn car.

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Were yours (original wheels) in original paint?
and if so what color is the reverse? Black or Grey?


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I answered the PM before I saw this - please see attached pic. Definitely gray (or grey) -


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« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2014, 06:38:05 PM »

Dig the giant wheel weight - indicative of what I took off of it (Goodyear WT GT, RWL's). Tires were original Goodboots, not Brazilian copies.

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« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2014, 10:02:16 PM »

Thought factory wheels were painted black on the back, service wheels were grey?
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« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2014, 10:25:22 PM »

My factory YH and YJ rallys are black on the inside and backside (unrestored, original paints), the factory YA's (original paint) and the set of AO's I restored (also original paint) for my '70 SS Chevelle were grey on the backside, black on the inside, with a little black overspray around the backside of the rim (you can see this in the pic, slightly). The grey is more reminiscent of "jack" grey or putty than "shock" grey, come to think of it.

My N66's were produced in '68 - I doubt they are service wheels. The AO's I had were original to that car, also (perfectly dated to the car to boot). If there is another circumstance for these, I'm not privy to it. My sample size is pretty small to draw a complete survey -

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« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2014, 06:57:34 AM »

I looked at a friends 30K Feb 69 car yesterday and took a picture of his rally spare for you guys. Very original unmolested car. Note the straps on the jack mast also. George
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« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2014, 07:51:47 AM »

A February N66 equipped car kinda stretches the aforementioned January 8th deadline (if it was January the 8th) out there, doesn't it ? Car could have been ordered before the cancellation, obviously.

Nice trunk and appointments - the VE3 hook is a lot brighter than mine. The color always reminds me of Ford Blue.

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« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2014, 02:24:43 PM »

A February N66 equipped car kinda stretches the aforementioned January 8th deadline (if it was January the 8th) out there, doesn't it ? Car could have been ordered before the cancellation, obviously.
As not to confuse anyone the picture of the wheel I posted is not an N66 (SS Wheel) car.
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« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2014, 09:50:33 AM »

Thanks for the correction - a classic case of me commenting without realizing the subtle change in the thread direction. I looked at the color, not the configuration, and was still thinking N66 -

I'll be more careful -

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« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2014, 01:57:54 PM »

Thought factory wheels were painted black on the back, service wheels were grey?

CBTN Figure 17-9.
The way I read the painting notes:

PLAIN K-H Part No E-82277 Cust PN _____
Coat with Rustproofing Oil: K-H Part No E-82278 Cust Part No. 3958480
Gray Primer K-H Spec B-3352: K-H Part No E-82279   Cust Part No. 3966934
Same as E-82279 except tape  identify for Chevrolet Service: K-H Part No E-82280

This relates to the 69 AD rally.

I assume you guys are hashing out the SS AO/YA wheels at this point. Does anyone have a copy of the CBTN for 70-75 & does it contain the K-H drawing with notes on it that might clarify.

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« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2014, 08:49:41 AM »

Thought factory wheels were painted black on the back, service wheels were grey?

CBTN Figure 17-9.
The way I read the painting notes:

PLAIN K-H Part No E-82277 Cust PN _____
Coat with Rustproofing Oil: K-H Part No E-82278 Cust Part No. 3958480
Gray Primer K-H Spec B-3352: K-H Part No E-82279   Cust Part No. 3966934
Same as E-82279 except tape  identify for Chevrolet Service: K-H Part No E-82280

This relates to the 69 AD rally.

I assume you guys are hashing out the SS AO/YA wheels at this point. Does anyone have a copy of the CBTN for 70-75 & does it contain the K-H drawing with notes on it that might clarify.


Does this mean KH painted the wheels or does it mean they shipped rustproof oiled wheels?


As an aside - The N66 wheels were supplied by Motor City wheel not KH
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« Reply #46 on: May 26, 2014, 10:32:29 AM »

Thought factory wheels were painted black on the back, service wheels were grey?

CBTN Figure 17-9.
The way I read the painting notes:

PLAIN K-H Part No E-82277 Cust PN _____
Coat with Rustproofing Oil: K-H Part No E-82278 Cust Part No. 3958480
Gray Primer K-H Spec B-3352: K-H Part No E-82279   Cust Part No. 3966934
Same as E-82279 except tape  identify for Chevrolet Service: K-H Part No E-82280

This relates to the 69 AD rally.

I assume you guys are hashing out the SS AO/YA wheels at this point. Does anyone have a copy of the CBTN for 70-75 & does it contain the K-H drawing with notes on it that might clarify.


Does this mean KH painted the wheels or does it mean they shipped rustproof oiled wheels?


As an aside - The N66 wheels were supplied by Motor City wheel not KH


K-H shipped whatever the customer ordered; the assembly plants ordered GM #3958480, K-H #E-82278. SERVICE ordered GM #3966934, K-H #82280.
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« Reply #47 on: May 26, 2014, 12:54:24 PM »

Jim, What is CBTN?
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« Reply #48 on: May 26, 2014, 03:54:59 PM »

What is CBTN?

Alan Colvin's book, Chevrolet By The Numbers.

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« Reply #49 on: May 26, 2014, 04:42:21 PM »

Thanks Paul. Another book I have to get.
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« Reply #50 on: May 26, 2014, 11:53:55 PM »

Thought factory wheels were painted black on the back, service wheels were grey?

CBTN Figure 17-9.
The way I read the painting notes:

PLAIN K-H Part No E-82277 Cust PN _____
Coat with Rustproofing Oil: K-H Part No E-82278 Cust Part No. 3958480
Gray Primer K-H Spec B-3352: K-H Part No E-82279   Cust Part No. 3966934
Same as E-82279 except tape  identify for Chevrolet Service: K-H Part No E-82280

This relates to the 69 AD rally.

I assume you guys are hashing out the SS AO/YA wheels at this point. Does anyone have a copy of the CBTN for 70-75 & does it contain the K-H drawing with notes on it that might clarify.


Does this mean KH painted the wheels or does it mean they shipped rustproof oiled wheels?


As an aside - The N66 wheels were supplied by Motor City wheel not KH


K-H shipped whatever the customer ordered; the assembly plants ordered GM #3958480, K-H #E-82278. SERVICE ordered GM #3966934, K-H #82280.

If all wheels shipped to plants were raw rust proof oiled KH # 82278 and all wheels shipped as service were to be KH spec B-3352 grey then there is no need for KH# 82279 (which appears to be a grey wheel withOUT tape to identify as a service wheel)
It exists for a reason, internally at KH or?  
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