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« on: April 19, 2006, 09:12:25 PM »

If a car came with rally wheels was the spare also a rally? I have an original car but not sure if the wheels are. They are correct coded rallys but the spare wheel is a steel wheel with body color.
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2006, 10:01:11 PM »

All 5 wheel/tire assemblies matched unless the car was ordered with N65 space-saver spare, available only with 14" wheels.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2006, 01:41:57 PM »

My '69 RS has all 5 original 14" rally wheels.  At one time, I verified that the code, on all 5 of the Kelsey Hayes ralleys, was the same. Can't seem to find that info right now.  Guess I'll have to note it again next time one of the wheel is off the car.

As an aside, when I bought the car in 1991, it actually had what may have been one of the original tires on the spare in the trunk, a Goodyear Polyglas E7014.  That tire is still the spare tire in the trunk to this day.  Hope I never have a flat, as I would not want to have to consider the use of that tire.  The tires that I have on the car are repro Polyglas E7014's to match the one in the trunk.  If not the original tire, looks good.
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2006, 06:36:20 PM »

E70 x 14 tires were never available as original equipment on a 1969 Camaro.

The standard size [non-SS or Z/28] was E78 x 14; F70 x 14 optional.

SS cars had F70 x 14 as the standard size; several varieties were optional.

Z/28s and COPOs also equipped with 9737 used E70 x 15. There were no 15" tire options.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2006, 07:01:32 PM »

What were the optional tire sizes for an SS?
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2006, 07:55:59 PM »

Only F70-14 was available, but you could get them in blackwall, redline, and a few white letter variaties.
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2006, 12:44:32 PM »

What would be the correct P-Metric equivalents for E78x14 and F70x14?
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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2006, 05:14:35 PM »

Looks to me like E78x14 is today's P205/70 R14 and the F70x14 is today's P215/70 R14; 8 inch wide and 8.5 inch wide (approx) tires.

From the following link:  http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/chevylist/tech/tire_size_conversion.htm

Assuming that I am reading the chart correctly - not the most intuitive thing.
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2006, 02:23:36 PM »

Here is a cute little tire caculator:
Tire Caculator

It won't give you the old format, but it can compare different tire sizes.
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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2006, 10:58:35 PM »

Would a 69 SS equipped with 14"x 7" wheels come with a 14"x6" spare wheel? What color would the spare wheel be?

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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2006, 12:05:29 PM »

Would a 69 SS equipped with 14"x 7" wheels come with a 14"x6" spare wheel? What color would the spare wheel be?

John

All 5 wheel/tire assemblies matched unless the car was ordered with N65 space-saver spare, available only with 14" wheels.
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2013, 10:40:51 PM »

is this true as far as the 5 all match - including the optional SS wheels as well?
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2013, 10:49:18 PM »

Yes.
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2013, 10:51:01 PM »

William,

My understanding is that any '69 Camaros ordered with the 4-wheel disk brakes also included the 15" rallye wheel (or it was a mandatory associated option?)  I assume this would even be true with the one 6-cyl Camaro that was supposedly ordered with the 4-wh disks?

E70 x 14 tires were never available as original equipment on a 1969 Camaro.

The standard size [non-SS or Z/28] was E78 x 14; F70 x 14 optional.

SS cars had F70 x 14 as the standard size; several varieties were optional.

Z/28s and COPOs also equipped with 9737 used E70 x 15. There were no 15" tire options.
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2013, 10:52:49 PM »

Kurt, thansk for your time

 thanks for the advise- -now i  need 5 of the ss wheels dated nov of 68!
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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2013, 01:28:39 PM »

William,

My understanding is that any '69 Camaros ordered with the 4-wheel disk brakes also included the 15" rallye wheel (or it was a mandatory associated option?)  I assume this would even be true with the one 6-cyl Camaro that was supposedly ordered with the 4-wh disks?

E70 x 14 tires were never available as original equipment on a 1969 Camaro.

The standard size [non-SS or Z/28] was E78 x 14; F70 x 14 optional.

SS cars had F70 x 14 as the standard size; several varieties were optional.

Z/28s and COPOs also equipped with 9737 used E70 x 15. There were no 15" tire options.

JL8 included 15" wheels when not ordered with Z/28. Only one such car is known to exist.
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« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2013, 06:21:18 PM »

Don't forget the other option - SS five spoke wheels, 14 X 7 AO code K-H's, available up until late '68 if I remember correctly, I've always called them SS-1's. Some people like 'em, some don't, but I'm happy to have all 5 of mine on the L78 X66 12A barn car.

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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2013, 11:27:07 PM »

William,

My understanding is that any '69 Camaros ordered with the 4-wheel disk brakes also included the 15" rallye wheel (or it was a mandatory associated option?)  I assume this would even be true with the one 6-cyl Camaro that was supposedly ordered with the 4-wh disks?

E70 x 14 tires were never available as original equipment on a 1969 Camaro.

The standard size [non-SS or Z/28] was E78 x 14; F70 x 14 optional.

SS cars had F70 x 14 as the standard size; several varieties were optional.

Z/28s and COPOs also equipped with 9737 used E70 x 15. There were no 15" tire options.

JL8 included 15" wheels when not ordered with Z/28. Only one such car is known to exist.
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William,  I'm not sure what you mean here...   only one 'non-Z28'?  or only one 6 cyl car?   
I've heard about the 6 cyl car either here or TC, and I have a friend with a '69 SS396 HT with factory JL8.
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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2013, 01:32:22 PM »

Steve what are the dates or date on your wheels... ED take NOTE!!!
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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2013, 02:10:09 PM »

William,

My understanding is that any '69 Camaros ordered with the 4-wheel disk brakes also included the 15" rallye wheel (or it was a mandatory associated option?)  I assume this would even be true with the one 6-cyl Camaro that was supposedly ordered with the 4-wh disks?

E70 x 14 tires were never available as original equipment on a 1969 Camaro.

The standard size [non-SS or Z/28] was E78 x 14; F70 x 14 optional.

SS cars had F70 x 14 as the standard size; several varieties were optional.

Z/28s and COPOs also equipped with 9737 used E70 x 15. There were no 15" tire options.

JL8 included 15" wheels when not ordered with Z/28. Only one such car is known to exist.

There was a 15" tire option in 68 and 1 documented 1968 SS was discovered in 2011 with the option, may be 69's out there too. My friend has the MacNeish certified 307ci, 4 speed, JL8 car found in a Southern California field> currently under restoration.
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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2013, 08:29:18 PM »

Don't forget the other option - SS five spoke wheels, 14 X 7 AO code K-H's, available up until late '68 if I remember correctly, I've always called them SS-1's. Some people like 'em, some don't, but I'm happy to have all 5 of mine on the L78 X66 12A barn car.

Another senior moment - I scrambled over the pile in the garage looking for date codes on my N66 SS rally wheels, only to discover that they are not AO code '70 Chevelle wheels (I was apparently remembering the '70 LS5 I sold last year), but are YA code Camaro wheels like they are supposed to be. That's what I get for owning a Chevelle ( at least I sold it to afford my '68 Z). I have to assume they are not Kelseys ? No "K" code, all are marked M19, dates range from 4/23 - 5/28. Car is a 12A '68 X66. My bad - leaped before I looked.

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« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2013, 11:29:13 AM »

.. but are YA code Camaro wheels like they are supposed to be. I have to assume they are not Kelseys ? No "K" code, all are marked M19, dates range from 4/23 - 5/28. Car is a 12A '68 X66. My bad - leaped before I looked.

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As I recall, those wheels were made by Motor Wheel Corporation in Lansing, Michigan (another major GM wheel supplier).
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2013, 02:01:20 PM »

Don't forget the other option - SS five spoke wheels, 14 X 7 AO code K-H's, available up until late '68 if I remember correctly, I've always called them SS-1's. Some people like 'em, some don't, but I'm happy to have all 5 of mine on the L78 X66 12A barn car.

Just an FYI, but YA coded wheels were not exclusive to the camaro. They were used in 1969 on both the camaro and chevelle. AO coded wheels were used on 1970 chevelle. 

Another senior moment - I scrambled over the pile in the garage looking for date codes on my N66 SS rally wheels, only to discover that they are not AO code '70 Chevelle wheels (I was apparently remembering the '70 LS5 I sold last year), but are YA code Camaro wheels like they are supposed to be. That's what I get for owning a Chevelle ( at least I sold it to afford my '68 Z). I have to assume they are not Kelseys ? No "K" code, all are marked M19, dates range from 4/23 - 5/28. Car is a 12A '68 X66. My bad - leaped before I looked.

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« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2013, 11:01:01 AM »

Some people like 'em, some don't, but I'm happy to have all 5 of mine on the L78 X66 12A barn car.

Hope your using the X66 term to describe your car, and not saying its on your Dec 68 12A cowl tag. Shocked
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« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2013, 05:15:45 PM »

Mark,
Some people like 'em, some don't, but I'm happy to have all 5 of mine on the L78 X66 12A barn car.

Hope your using the X66 term to describe your car, and not saying its on your Dec 68 12A cowl tag. Shocked


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That's exactly what he is doing..  Sometimes it's just easier to call it that when describing..
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« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2013, 07:47:11 PM »

Precisely - thanks, DW -

If the creeping thing was a 12B or C, I wouldn't have to go through the guesswork of whether it's an X66 or an X22. Gotta be one or the other, but with no original paperwork, how can I tell ?

I don't think it is a Style Trim car (not an RS, anyway due to the rear valance), standard interior, no console, and the quarters are not drilled for gills. My guess is that it's an X66 -

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« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2013, 01:26:56 PM »

I am only familiar with the X33 and X77 models (Z/28). I am learning more about the others, so my question is your guessing your car is a X66 because of no style trim. There was a 69 SS 396 car on ebay with a report by Jerry, it is a X66 car with style trim ebay completed auction 261256670270. A nice original car 1 repaint, but it is not mentioned in the report of having the wrong trim on it. I am unsure what constitutes a X22 car.
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« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2013, 10:16:15 PM »

The X66 is the same trim as the X77 except all SS cars had the shark gills in the quarters....Joe
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« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2013, 12:45:09 AM »

So on the car that Jerry inspected they added the headlight trim, tail light trim and wheel well moulding, and then Jerry didn't call any of that out?
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« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2013, 07:05:47 AM »

I take back what I said. It's not the same as the X77 but it is the same as X55. I guess SS cars had the bright work except the wheel well & rain gutter on X66. I should know that...I own one...Joe
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« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2013, 09:02:30 AM »

Precisely - thanks, DW -

If the creeping thing was a 12B or C, I wouldn't have to go through the guesswork of whether it's an X66 or an X22. Gotta be one or the other, but with no original paperwork, how can I tell ?

I'd assume there would be an X6 or an X2 hand written on the bulkhead behind the rear seat. My 12B has an X1.

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« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2013, 09:21:26 AM »

So on the car that Jerry inspected they added the headlight trim, tail light trim and wheel well moulding, and then Jerry didn't call any of that out?

It's common for owners to display a Camaro Hi- Performance certificate. The inspection always includes a listing of non-original parts and incorrect features if it is a restoration. I'm sure it was noted.
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« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2013, 11:00:29 PM »

sorry I din't mean to hijack this thread, just trying to learn.
Well unless they added it after the inspection, it was not noted int he report.
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