re-stamping a block

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Flowjoe:
OK, this doesn't involve a Camaro directly but it is subject on which I would like to pick your brains.

a friend acquired a '69 300HP/350CID AT Corvette.  it is very rough and has been in storage a long time (becasue teh previous owner beat on the poor thing).  It had the numbers matching, original engine in it.  One thing lead to another and it ended up being decked at the machine shop.  So now he is considering using one of these services that puts factory style broach marks on the block and then re-stamps that block.   As we understand it, the NCRS says this is OK and will not penalize the car.  We lve in SO-cal so there are at least two palces in LA that do this sort of thing. 

Would you do it?   

An additional problem is that the machine shop has a cautionary tale of a previuos customer who used a palce in LA to do the "broaching" and re-stamping  only to have the block come back with uneven surfaces taht had to be machined all over again.

So, if you would do it, who would you use?

RickH:
The Corvette world seems to have a different outlook then most in the Camaro word. Restamping may be acceptable to the Corvette community but in other circles it's frowned upon very seriously.

That's all I am  going to say.

Rick H.

Flowjoe:
Well I guess that we know where you come down on this issue. ;-)  And it would be safe to assume that you wouldn't do this if it were a Camaro, right?  that's not to come down on you as I am curious to see what other enthusiasts think about the various aspects of this issue

First, I would say that the "corvette world" has traditionally been one of the most picky and critical of all american collector car groups.  So it seemed that if they allow it then it would set something of a standard for the rest of the hobby.

Second, this isn't a case of  Ebay scum fabricating a COPO Camaro for fun and profit...the motor really did have the right stuff on it before...just not now (I myself went throught his with a numbers matching '70 LT-1, 4-speed Corvette a few years back.  the motor blew and it took a  lot to salvage it and when it came back the stamping was much lighter than before..almost unreadable...I was sick.  For an instant I condsidered the restamping but  I  - and several other sets of eyes - decided that it was legible enough as was)  So he is considering it for his own "pleasure"  and to protect his "investment" because realistically he won't keep the car forever.

So, if you have further thoughts I would still like to hear them.  and of course from others.

Quote from: RickH on April 17, 2006, 08:10:27 PM

The Corvette world seems to have a different outlook then most in the Camaro word. Restamping may be acceptable to the Corvette community but in other circles it's frowned upon very seriously.

That's all I am going to say.

Rick H.



rich69rs:
Although, not a cloned car, to me a restamp is still a restamp - originality has been lost in the sense that there now is no way to prove that the restamped engine was original to the car.  Doesn't matter that you know it is original, no way to "prove" it that I am aware of...and a car commanding high $$$$ needs documentation to justify the $$$$.  I don't believe that restamping qualifies as documentation.  To easy to fake. As you state - two shops that you know of that will do this.  Will they only restamp original blocks or will they stamp anything?

If the car is put on the market at some time in the future, and it is clearly stated that the block has been decked and restamped, and the potential buyer acknowledges this and agrees, no harm, no foul....but if that fact is not mentioned, ......now we are into the arena of personal ethics.

Last year I finally installed the correct 327 in my '69RS.  When I bought the car in 1991, it had the wrong 327 in it -   a mismash of parts from a variety of engines.  Over the years, I found the correct 327, pulled it out of a '69 Camaro that was being parted out, engine partial VIN and car VIN agreed, best information said the engine was original to the parts car.  Date code was acceptable.  I needed a FK code, this one was FJ (powerglide vs. 3 spd manual). 

When I had the machine work done on the replacement 327, I fully documented (pictures) the pad stamp prior to sending the engine to the machine shop.  I never considered a restamp.  Kind of proud of the fact that the engine originally installed in a plain jane 3 spd coupe, VIN# 124379N551248; engine code V1122FJ, is now in my ride.

Whoever winds up with my RS after I'm long gone, will also get a plethora of documentation describing everything that I know about the car.  Only being honest with the next owner.

lakeholme:
The ability to verify is certainly a big issue when it comes to originality.  And I hope originality is the major factor in the true value of cars for a long time to come....
But... like Colvin says in Chevrolet BY the Numbers, the hobby has changed since he started out hunting swap meets years ago.  There are lots of cars now with repo parts and new motors --by some necessity.
But... is a restamped car that is original any worse than a car with a replacement  motor that looks correct but it is still not the original motor?  The hobby certainly sees a lot of that now.  It is pretty much a necessity, too.  I spoke to Tom Cottor in Charlotte a while back.  We're finding less "Cobras in the Barn".
I had a well known restorer from my neck of the woods look at my car right after I bought it, and he said (Quote) "That's one of the most original looking cars I've seen lately"  But... my motor isn't even an original Camaro motor, even though it is the right year and "looks" correct.
Like advised above, just make sure you clearly state what you've done, if you ever sell it.  But... I'm glad you are restoring the car!

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