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« on: February 04, 2010, 08:29:07 PM »

My Fisher Body tag is dated 11D. Looking at a 1968 calendar, November 1, 1968 was a friday. Would that be considered as week 11A? Making 11D the 18th through the 22nd? or is 11D the next week, November 25th trough the 29th? Any help would be appreciated. I am tring to put together a chronological assembly of my car based in all of the casting and production dates of the parts. I am lucky enough to have all the original parts except the starter. Thank you.

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2010, 08:33:03 PM »

11D is the 4th week of November.
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2010, 08:39:30 PM »

Yes I know that, but is it the 18th through the 22nd or the 25th through the 29th?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2010, 10:06:30 PM »

Ah yes, i did not thoroughly read your question, my error.
Someone here will know the days of each week for that month, cheers.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2010, 12:05:48 PM »

Yes. Smiley

It's however Fisher decided to handle that month.....
There wasn't a set procedure.
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2010, 06:07:15 PM »

ok.........., then let's go about this another way ................ Does anybody have or have they seen an 11E car?? I would appreciate it if you guys with access to the database could let me know. Thanks.
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2010, 09:51:28 PM »

I know this does not answer your question, but it may help you make some sense out of it all.
I have a 68 Camaro that is dated 05E, May 1st was a Wednesday. Cheers  Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2010, 12:36:01 PM »

OK, lets say the last day of any month ended on a Wednesday, the build date of a car built that week through Wednesday would be MMd or e (depending on the number of weeks in that month, partial or whole). The cars built the next day(Thursday, 1st of new month) would be MMa. So in answer to your question 11A would be just for the one day(November 1st) and 11D would be the 18th - 22nd. IMO
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2010, 03:03:34 PM »

If you look long enough and hard enough at tags it looks like build weeks almost always always changed from one letter to the next on a Monday but the months did not always change on the first calendar day of the month.  If the last day of a calendar month was a Tuesday and that was an XXD week, all cars built on the 1,2,3 of the next month were also XXD built cars, then the build week code rolled over to XXA the following Monday the 6th.  Of course nothing is laid out in concrete and Fisher sometimes forgot to change the build week codes for 2 or more weeks 06A of the 69 model year is a classic example.
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2010, 01:52:51 PM »

If this helps,I have an 11d car. VIN comes up 189 cars AFTER November's end of the month VIN. I asked a local Corvette restoration shop about this very question. They told me that 11d was the last week. That the 1st & 2nd were the last week of Oct. I then wondered if Corvette was labeled in the same guide lines. Sorry for the late reply, I don't get on here very often.
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2010, 10:39:55 AM »

I then wondered if Corvette was labeled in the same guide lines.

Nope, 1964-82 Corvette trim tags were stamped with the DAY the body was built; only the '63 Corvette tag was stamped with the WEEK, and the Corvette format was different (Fisher Body wasn't involved with the Corvette).
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2010, 09:47:01 AM »

Like Kurt said, the month and week codes were however Fisher wanted to handle it. 

You also have to remember that 11D is when they STARTED the body build. Now we can somewhat assume that means the 4th FULL week of November, we are talking about November 24 to 30 of 1968. But truth be known - nobody can exactly define what dates are associated with a week letter.

Check this out. Scroll down to the section on Body Assembly Date. This is from my buddy's Chevelle site, but information should be similar for Camaros.
http://www.chevellestuff.com/tech/trim_tag_facts.htm
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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2010, 12:19:49 PM »

Check this out. Scroll down to the section on Body Assembly Date. This is from my buddy's Chevelle site, but information should be similar for Camaros.
http://www.chevellestuff.com/tech/trim_tag_facts.htm

Hmmmm...the wording in the second section under "Body Assembly Date" looks familiar....  :-)
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2010, 10:33:34 PM »

My Fisher Body tag is dated 11D. Looking at a 1968 calendar, November 1, 1968 was a friday. Would that be considered as week 11A? Making 11D the 18th through the 22nd? or is 11D the next week, November 25th trough the 29th? Any help would be appreciated. I am tring to put together a chronological assembly of my car based in all of the casting and production dates of the parts. I am lucky enough to have all the original parts except the starter. Thank you.

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No one has touched on when the date code was assigned. Seems like all the discussions before stated the date code assigned when the order was entered to start the building process. It really has nothing to do with the week the car was assembled, right?
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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2010, 11:28:29 PM »

My car's VIN is 124679N552528.  According to production figures at Norwood, it was the 666th car built in December. How many cars a day were being produced at that time? Would this number put the car out around December 4th? If that is close, then I would guess that the 11D on my Fisher Body tag was from the week of Nov 25 to Nov 30. Am I thinking correctly? I appreciate all the input!!

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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2010, 01:19:52 AM »

Possibly.
But you need to understand is that all the published info is 'soft'.
Fisher dated however they wanted and the month ending VIN data has issues of its own.
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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2010, 10:39:35 AM »

My car's VIN is 124679N552528.  According to production figures at Norwood, it was the 666th car built in December. How many cars a day were being produced at that time?

Norwood production was 912 units per day; the line rate never changed.
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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2010, 01:46:19 PM »

Hello everyone. I hope I'm not highjacking this post..and if I am shame on me.

 I have been following this post with interest hoping I can find some info on my build date as well. I have one of those 06A built Z28's. I'm not really positive about this, but I was told some time ago that my car was probably built the first week of June... 2 thru 7...that was a monday thru saturday in 69. Based on the info in Jerry M's book, 2 edition page 199, it really is hard to say for sure since the book states my VIN as being built May (05) with VINs starting at 636000 and ending 654000. My VIN is 653104 and body is 344579. My original driveline has not been in my car since it came to Delaware in 1987 as far as I know so I haven't anything to go by in regards to those numbers. On a side note when I got the car I found a V0604DZ dated E 27 9 and 186 heads E 27 9 and F 1 9. I believe Kurt has this engine number in his data base. Vin stamp by oil filter reads 661 something, I can't remember all of it at the moment. Is it too close or OK?

Any opinions would be appreciated.
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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2010, 03:43:41 PM »

Thanks to all for your help. I now have a pretty good understanding about the build of my car.  I also understand that records are no better than the one who keeps them. Chevrolet and Fisher Body didn't keep good records, but those were the times.  Guess we must do the best with what we have. Good research can fill in some of the blanks, but I think there will always be questions. Thanks again.

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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2010, 07:23:30 PM »

My VIN is 653104 and body is 344579. My original driveline has not been in my car since it came to Delaware in 1987 as far as I know so I haven't anything to go by in regards to those numbers. On a side note when I got the car I found a V0604DZ dated E 27 9 and 186 heads E 27 9 and F 1 9. I believe Kurt has this engine number in his data base. Vin stamp by oil filter reads 661 something, I can't remember all of it at the moment. Is it too close or OK?

Any opinions would be appreciated.

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N653104 is an early June VIN. Cars in that time frame have mid-late May engines.
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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2010, 11:19:49 PM »

 HOW CAN THE BODY SEQUENCE NUMBERS, BE SO FAR OUT OF SEQUENCE WITH VIN NUMBERS? (EXAMPLE)   I TOOK A CAR BUILT IN JUNE OF 69 ,AND PICKED A CAR WITH A VIN 8,000 UNITS LATER. THE BODY SEQUENCE NUMBER WAS 13,000 UNITS LATER. THATS A DIFFERENCE OF 5,000 UNITS!
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2010, 04:35:14 AM »

My VIN is 653104 and body is 344579. My original driveline has not been in my car since it came to Delaware in 1987 as far as I know so I haven't anything to go by in regards to those numbers. On a side note when I got the car I found a V0604DZ dated E 27 9 and 186 heads E 27 9 and F 1 9. I believe Kurt has this engine number in his data base. Vin stamp by oil filter reads 661 something, I can't remember all of it at the moment. Is it too close or OK?

Any opinions would be appreciated.

Gary

N653104 is an early June VIN. Cars in that time frame have mid-late May engines.

So are the dates on the block and heads I have too close, acceptable or not acceptable for my build date?
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2010, 09:32:10 AM »

HOW CAN THE BODY SEQUENCE NUMBERS, BE SO FAR OUT OF SEQUENCE WITH VIN NUMBERS? (EXAMPLE)   I TOOK A CAR BUILT IN JUNE OF 69 ,AND PICKED A CAR WITH A VIN 8,000 UNITS LATER. THE BODY SEQUENCE NUMBER WAS 13,000 UNITS LATER. THATS A DIFFERENCE OF 5,000 UNITS!

The body number is the number assigned when the factory accepted the order, correct? If so, could it be that these numbers were assigned for cars built both at Norwood, and LA? And if so, could these numbers have also been used for orders of Impalas which were also built in LA? I know the range of Body numbers is greater than the total no. of Camaros built by 40-50K. Would these have applied to the LA built Impalas?

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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2010, 11:17:51 AM »

HOW CAN THE BODY SEQUENCE NUMBERS, BE SO FAR OUT OF SEQUENCE WITH VIN NUMBERS? (EXAMPLE)   I TOOK A CAR BUILT IN JUNE OF 69 ,AND PICKED A CAR WITH A VIN 8,000 UNITS LATER. THE BODY SEQUENCE NUMBER WAS 13,000 UNITS LATER. THATS A DIFFERENCE OF 5,000 UNITS!

The body number on the cowl tag was assigned when the plant accepted the order, not when the car was built. Almost 20,000 units were built with "06A" as the body build date on the tag.
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« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2010, 06:17:40 PM »

END OF MONTH  VIN REPORT FOR NORWOOD @ JUNE 69  SHOWS 13.685 UNITS.   THE QUESTION BEING ASKED, IS WEATHER A MOTOR DATED  V0604DZ ,WOULD BE CORRECT FOR A VIN OF NOR653104 .  I THINK THIS MOTOR DATE IS TOO CLOSE ! IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE MID MAY.
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« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2010, 06:50:42 PM »

 FIREBIRDS WERE ALSO BUILT @NORWOOD LATE IN 69.   DO FIREBIRDS ,HAVE THEIR OWN SEPERATE BODY SEQUENCE NUMBERS?
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« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2010, 09:39:28 PM »

Yes, Firebirds started at Norwood on April 19th 1969 and they started with body number 500001 on that date.  Same deal though the body number was assigned when the order arrived at the plant, not when the car was actually built. 501000 could have been built before 500001.
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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2010, 10:19:56 PM »

If Norwood line rate was 912 units daily.  We  see high monthly production @ 20,000 units . We need to consider ,starting in April of 69, Firebirds were built at Norwood. You can see Camaro production fell off after April of 69!
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« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2010, 03:59:08 AM »

Here is some more color on your post Boston14
I have an extensive data base and it includes a numbers match Z28 with a VIN about 100 greater than your car. It has a 12A build date, and X33 code.
I have several 11D build dates and 12A build dates, but no 11E
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« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2010, 07:53:41 AM »

12A with an xcode ? http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#XnnCodes
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« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2010, 11:30:45 PM »

Thanks Tom. I have read that article and I also many Trim tags to compare the research with. Since I'm no expert in validating Trim Tags, I'm posting a picture of a reported numbers match RS Z28, VIN 9N5526xx 12A Trim Tag to see if it is a fake. If it is original, then possibly the X coding started prior to 12B.
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« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2010, 11:46:40 PM »

Here is one more 12A Trim Tag, this time from a convertible. The car is reported to be X55 with VIN 124679N5578xx
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« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2010, 11:16:38 AM »

Both of those tags above are fakes.
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« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2010, 01:36:14 PM »

The body # on my 12A car is 188744. The vin is 5579XX. It has no X code. That makes me agree that those tags are fake.
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« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2010, 06:24:40 PM »

I thought they might be fake, but figured others with more knowledge and experience would speak up.  Thank you Mark.
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« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2010, 02:04:54 PM »

Someone made an "attempt" at making the top example look semi-correct... some people are absolutley retarded...
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Please accept my apology if I have offended anyone with or whom has a family member with a learning disability, as I have not meant to maliciously degradate anyone's condition by grouping them with LIARS and THEIVES.
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