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« on: January 27, 2010, 10:26:25 PM »

I noticed this car on ebay (below) with rare ZL2 hood, has a very early date. Could this be an example earlier than the 12E earliest example ever seen?
My guess this car had to be built in the second week of december (12B?).
by the way, this is the second california built L78 I have seen with the heavy duty radiator as an added cost item (w/ documentation), (and the car has the 410 rear end). Interesting it is not the curved neck version on this car.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27aed6c8e2QQitemZ170437036258QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks
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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2010, 11:22:47 PM »

Thats an 11D car, based on a VIN of 9L510365.  Seeing it was built the same week, or at most 1 week after the announcement of the hoods availability was announced by GM (and it has a full width rear spoiler that didn't appear for another 3 months) I would hazard to guess its not original to the car.  Which then throws the "invoice" under suspicsion, which inturn throws the whole cars originality under suspicsion.
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2010, 11:54:35 PM »

be careful this guy might want to retire off your cash
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2010, 12:23:42 AM »

That invoice is clearly a fake.
You could not order the HD radiator on a Z or a 396 car.
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2010, 12:34:02 AM »

Well from a back yard rookie point of view.....That sheet is too nice, with WAY to evenly layed browning. I would have the 4 X's tested to check the age of the ink. If it's about a few years old then bingo! Of course, they could have a pen from the 60's that they are using to show aged ink. My other trick is smell. I have smelled many of these so called original invoices and build sheets. The original ones have this certain smell of age, and mildew, and must. And if I don't get that smell, I would think twice. But ya gotta have the nose for it. When I see those guys with documentation schrink wrapped in plastic. I have them cut it open so I can smell it. Just say'in, that's what I have done in the past. And it works pretty well. It is hard to get that aged paper smell. Very close to an old newspaper, but not quite. Anyway, looks too good to me...Danny
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2010, 06:38:16 AM »

The relay for the cowl is in the wrong location according to the assembly manual too.

Has it ever been noted on ZL2 cars that they put them way up there?
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2010, 09:18:41 AM »

Has bright pedal trim and wood grain accents part of Z23? But shouldn't it also have trim piece above glove box, grab handle, and Camaro emblem close to ash tray if Z23?

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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2010, 01:11:58 PM »

He states it has all orig interior but it is pretty clear he has crappy repo door panels so what else is not correct. If it was really a survivor why is the fan shroud replaced,the cowl induction seal replaced with a inside out one, where did the smog go ?
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2010, 09:22:28 PM »

Style trim car ?,Where is the bright roof drip, and tailight mouldings?
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2010, 09:36:57 PM »

Charley the 396 didn't get smog.
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2010, 10:23:34 PM »

All 68 and 69  Big blocks got smog pumps and AIR injector tubes.  Only small blocks and L6's with auto transmissions escaped from the factory without the smog equipment.

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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2010, 11:39:51 PM »

Unless you had a Canadian car with the smog deleted. :-)
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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2010, 09:41:57 AM »

I guess my memory has findly went kaput. I ask Jerry about a pic in his book and I "thought" he said small blocks with autos and 396 cars didn't get the smog. My bad Charley. Didn't want to pick on anybody, please accept my apology. I'll start writing this stuff down if I can't do better than that.
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2010, 10:52:37 AM »

It's not rocket science to install the air cleaner seal....Why are so many of them installed incorrectly?...Joe
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2010, 10:56:08 AM »

When you buy a new one they come setup that way. Hard to explain but it is kind of abnormal to take it and roll it inside out so most people just stick it on and figure it is just another crappy repo part
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2010, 11:13:23 AM »

Unless you had a Canadian car with the smog deleted. :-)

'69 Canadian cars were equipped exactly the same as domestic cars - they had the same smog system as U.S.-delivered cars. The KD1 "Less Air Injection" option only applied to cars delivered to some overseas markets.
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2010, 12:58:13 PM »

'69 Canadian cars were equipped exactly the same as domestic cars - they had the same smog system as U.S.-delivered cars. The KD1 "Less Air Injection" option only applied to cars delivered to some overseas markets.
68 Canadian cars could come with KD1. It doesn't show on all the 68 Canadian paperwork though. I'm not sure if was just a paperwork issue or if some 68 cars were delivered with AIR.
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2010, 01:26:17 PM »

A Friend has a survivor 68 L78 with the KD1 "less air injection" and was not a overseas car. I have no experience with the 69 Canadian cars. I probably should have kept my comments to only 69's since that is the subject.
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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2010, 04:52:17 PM »

A Friend has a survivor 68 L78 with the KD1 "less air injection" and was not a overseas car.
I assume it's a Canadian car?
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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2010, 05:01:00 PM »

Same fake invoice style that I've seen on several cars this past year.  That's a problem.

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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2010, 08:15:06 PM »

A Friend has a survivor 68 L78 with the KD1 "less air injection" and was not a overseas car.
I assume it's a Canadian car?
Yes..
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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2010, 08:56:08 PM »

Have seen a couple of survivor SS396 Canadian Camaros with AIR.

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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2010, 11:43:05 PM »

Have seen a couple of survivor SS396 Canadian Camaros with AIR.

Jerry
68's or 69's? Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2010, 09:24:23 AM »

Have seen a couple of survivor SS396 Canadian Camaros with AIR.

Jerry
68's or 69's? Smiley

I have seen Canadian 68's without smog, but no 69's.
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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2010, 09:35:22 AM »

'69's,

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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2010, 10:27:08 AM »

I think everyone is on the same page.
Canadian 68's got KD1, Canadian 69's were the same as US spec cars.

I am confused by the Canadian documentation. I know of two 68 L78 cars, built at the same time. One has KD1 on the docs, one doesn't. Huh
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