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« on: December 20, 2009, 07:23:24 AM »

News Story - Chevy Tonawanda shuts down Big Block production.

http://www.tonawanda-news.com/local/local_story_352232506.html

The end of an era.

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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2009, 09:01:07 AM »

Yeah, I heard that on the radio.  Very sad indeed.
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2009, 09:39:41 AM »

I have to wonder if our new administration in D.C. has anything to do with it?  These engines are not very "green" in their eyes and with all the bail outs for Government Motors, I think that I see the writing on the wall.  It's a shame and yet another change at GM.

Merry Christmas to everyone,

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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2009, 09:55:53 AM »

Big blocks have become obsolete. For heavy rigs that use big blocks you can use a Duramax diesel, get better mileage and tons more power. For a gas engine the new LSX family of engines make great power, good mileage, don't leak and they put millions of them in cars. How many big blocks were being used in cars ? I think they were only being used in Big Suburbans and large trucks. I finally switched over to a 3/4 ton crew cab GMC with a Duramax and this thing will leave any big block I have owned in the dust. It makes a ton of torque and gets 14 mpg. My old 90 SS 454 1/2 ton got 10 mpg on a good day and didn't have near the power. GM is trying to make money. They probably don't sell enough big blocks to justify the expense and there are better production line engines. There will always be the aftermarket supplying big blocks when needed.
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2009, 10:35:43 AM »

No surprise here - GM forecast the end of the BB line two years ago due to continuously declining demand, to give their BB customers time to order what they'd need. The Gen V engines (502, 572) haven't been made at Tonawanda for many years anyway - GMPP has them made by outside suppliers, like the ZL-1. The only one Tonawanda made was the 8.1L, and its primary usage was the Kodiak and Top Kick trucks, and those products are now history; the only other users were marine engines.
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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2009, 12:26:49 PM »

I suspect then, the BB engine has run its course.  It's a shame but time marches on.  When I bought my Dura Max truck there were still many die hard BB people who wanted the BB in their 2500 HD truck.   

I watched the Baltimore GM assembly plant shut down too.  That was due to the politicians wanting more money and more money to stay here in Baltimore.  Tax, tax, tax.  GM finally said that they would shut the plant down and move on.  They did and the plant was leveled.  Thousands of jobs were lost due to the plant closing.  Many from Norwood were transferred to Baltimore when Norwood shut down in the mid 1980's.  That is how I was able to interview many Norwood workers before writing my first Camaro book.

During the late 1960's, the Chevelle and Pontiac mid size cars (GTO, LeMans) were built here.  I toured the plant when I was in high school.  My '69 Chevelle was also built in Baltimore. 

The Maryland government is now struggling.  There is no money and massive state lay offs are predicted for 2010.  Most big companies have left this state due to the tax issues.  I say good for them.  The Baltimore mayor was just convicted for corruption and more charges are still pending.   

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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2009, 01:00:38 PM »

im sure the baltimore mayor will not be the only politician to have to answer for crimes against our nation on judgement day.our country is very different today than it was twenty years ago its a shame to see it steadly going down hill. i wonder if the value of our big blocks will increase in the future because of the plant closing?
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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2009, 02:14:44 PM »

The minute gov. sticks its nose in private business,it wont be long when its demise will begin.GM use to be the largest corp. in the world.This country in my opinion is going down hill fast!
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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2009, 02:37:49 PM »

Just wait until the health care kicks in........

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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2009, 04:33:03 PM »

As an outsider looking in and having many friends in the US. It is a darned shame to see the collapse as it were of such a great nation.
We can only hope that the powers to be and those who are directly responsible for the problems are smart enough to ask why it happened and how it can be prevented from happening again. In my opinion if those simple questions are not addressed and people are not prepared to answer the hard questions, then we would seriously wonder if the US will ever recover. It may be more than Big Blocks that go, hasn't Pontiac got the chop as well?  Huh
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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2009, 04:37:55 PM »

Wow, Seriously sad to hear that.  I took a trip to Niagra Falls last winter and had to stop by the plant to see where my engine was born.  The place was massive!  Here's some pic's.
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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2009, 06:58:30 PM »

As an outsider looking in and having many friends in the US. It is a darned shame to see the collapse as it were of such a great nation.
We can only hope that the powers to be and those who are directly responsible for the problems are smart enough to ask why it happened and how it can be prevented from happening again. In my opinion if those simple questions are not addressed and people are not prepared to answer the hard questions, then we would seriously wonder if the US will ever recover. It may be more than Big Blocks that go, hasn't Pontiac got the chop as well?  Huh

The main problem is that there are those within and without this great country that see the US as the one last obstacle to absolute power and control.  Most of us foolishly believe that things will always go on as they have in the past.  The reality of what has happened in the recent past prove that that is not necessarily true.
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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2009, 07:17:55 PM »

Well written!
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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2009, 09:02:04 PM »

Still the only country I would want to live in. We might not like the Govs involvement in GM but if they hadn't stepped in there probably wouldn't be a GM for everyone to bitch about.
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2009, 09:39:48 AM »

The current political happenings scare me like no other in my life. I'm afraid these new programs will cost us more than our money.

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