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« on: April 22, 2009, 05:47:05 PM »

Hello CRG Community:

At long last, we're getting very close to putting paint on my 67 Z/28.  This car was originally painted Hugger Orange (or very close to it....) in 1967 as a special order paint car.  This car DID NOT have a vinyl top.  During the stripping / body work process, we could not find ANY evidence of either black or white stripes on the car.  Nonetheless, I've come to believe that a Z/28 had to have / generally could not have come without / NEEDS stripes to say "Z/28." 

Being that this is a special order paint car, I suppose that it COULD have come with either black or white stripes.  I've also learned that in 1969 Hugger Orange Z/28's HAD to have white stripes unless they were ordered with a black vinyl top, in which case the car would have black stripes as well. 

But - since this car was made in 1967 - and again its a special order paint car - could it be "correct" with either black OR white stripes?  What would you do?  What do you think would be most "correct?" 

Thanks for helping me with this decision.

Paul

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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2009, 06:43:58 PM »

If the orange you took off was the original paint and there was no evidence of stripes that's how I would do it.
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2009, 07:19:57 PM »

Paul was the car original paint or is there a chance the car may have been stripped to bare steel earlier in its life? Huh
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2009, 07:51:42 PM »

I meant too say could the original stripes be gone because of this.
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2009, 11:47:41 AM »

Paul, what color is the interior?

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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2009, 12:59:07 PM »

To answer the questions to date:  1) The original paint was still on the car - it was NOT stripped prior to resortation.  The orange was visible everywhere - but the car HAD been repainted at least 2x before.  It is possible that during the past repaints, the stripes were stripped or sanded off so that the next coat of new paint would be smooth.  (couldn'r feel any evidence of stripes)  At any rate - again, NO STRIPE color was evident.  Some say they beleive the car did not ever have stripes, but others say as a Z, it HAD to have come with stripes.

2) This car came with a black standard interior.

Thanks for your input!

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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2009, 02:36:21 PM »

If it had white stripes, as it should have, you would have found eveidence of overspray SOMEWHERE. I still vote no stripes, let the experts at the shows figure it out. Was the orange the truck color?
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2009, 02:46:16 PM »

Hugger orange with black interior, no vinyl top, don't know what was original, I would lean towards black stripes.
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2009, 03:04:44 PM »

Paul was there any sign of white paint down in the wiper cowl area? I think white would be the cleaneast look on the orange.
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2009, 03:11:27 PM »

Paul -

My vote is for black stripes!  Stripes are the signature of a Z/28, especially a '67.  I'd go with black to match the interior color.  My Z/28 has white stripes with a parchment (white) deluxe interior.  It's all original but people who don't know Camaros asked me all the time if I customized one or the other to match.  They're amazed when I tell them it's all factory.  Good luck with your choice!

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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2009, 03:51:10 PM »

For a long time I thought the original orange color was the GM Truck color #516 "Tangier Orange."  But - last June that theory was put to rest.  The original color was Hugger Orange (see picture).  The computer matched color (the original color is on the drip rail) was "Flameau Red" that was virtually idential to Hugger Orange.  In the picture you can see the original color on the drip rail and Hugger Orange as well as Flameau Red spray-outs.

We did look long and hard around the Cowl area, and all I can say for certain is that no one saw white.  If anything, there MAY have been areas that had been black - but it was REAL hard to tell.

I really appreciate the input received thus far - keep it coming!  Thanks to all.

Paul

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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2009, 11:56:08 PM »

Paul ,your cars looking great by the way. I saw this picture on the Lucas web site. It looks like to me there is no evidence of any stripes. Did Team Lucas think the car had stipes from the factory? It being a special paint car it may have been a stripe delete car. If you cant find evidence of stripes I'd say "NO" to stripes. Either way your got a super rare car. Cant wait to see it finished.





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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2009, 10:28:36 AM »

Well, "Team Lucas" coundn't say definitively if the car did or did not have stripes from the factory.  But - everyone agreed that there was NO EVIDENCE of stripes found on the car.  No evidence does not mean that stripes were not there at one time.  I don't want to speak for Jerry MacNeish - but he was emphatic that as a Z/28 - it had to have had stripes from the factory.  He told me about some Z's that were ordered "stripe delete" in 1967, but when they showed up at the dealer, the stripes were there.  I suppose that as a special order paint car - things COULD have been different for this car - and the "normal" 67 Z/28's have to have stripes "rule" may not have applied.  I've come to a place where I THINK I can do whatever I want to the car (no stripes, black or white stripes) and "technically" be correct.  I started this thread just to get some other opinions on what others might do in my place.  Thanks for any advice/opinions.  Paul       
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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2009, 11:42:37 AM »

I would go with 'white' stripes..... just because IMO it's a better color combo.
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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2009, 12:31:44 AM »

Hi Paul,

I would go with White without question if it was mine, black stripes on the 1969 Hugger Orange to me takes away from the orange, and the white stripes makes it look brighter.  Just my two cents.

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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2009, 10:00:21 AM »

Well Paul it is your call in the end, but white striped would be more correct according to the existing documentation for the 67 Zs. Probably would get less grief from the experts if you followed current wisdom, considering you have no evidence to dispute that. I would not go with no stripe even though the paint research on the car would provide a good argument. Stripes will make the cas and my vote, for what it's worth, would be for white. Can't wait to see the car. Make sure you look me up at Carlisle and bring pictures.    Bill C.
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2009, 03:15:14 PM »

I think it would be wicked to have an Orange 67 Z with no stripes... the ultimate sleeper, no spoiler, ralleys, no call outs, it even has the down turned exhaust so it doesnt call out duals... awesome! you could always add the stripes later, try the solid orange, you can't go backwards. It will look like Kevn S's Orange 68 Dana Camaro 427 tripower car...
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2009, 09:24:47 PM »

Looking at your pictures above, and you say there was no definite black or white paint found in the cowl section then I would not put any stripes on the car as it does not appear it ever had them from the factory. As firstgenaddict states, you can always add the stripes later. Have you found any original pictures of the car or previous owners?.............RatPack....................

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« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2009, 07:48:15 AM »

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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2009, 08:41:57 AM »

I've always liked the black over orange myself, but it's pretty cool that you are able to go whichever way you want and still be "correct".

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« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2009, 06:52:02 AM »

All of the original data that we've put together over the past 21 years in running the '67 Z28 registry has shown that stripes could not be deleted.  To my knowledge, stripe delete cars were not availavle until the 1969 model year.

What I would do Paul is try to locate people who worked at Clippenger Chevrolet and ask them too.  Maybe this will bring some answers.  Clippenger sold several cars in this color and someone has to know what went on there.  With all of the tools and Internet, I would make this a research priority.  Someone at Clippenger was smart enough to order these special order paint cars to help push special models.

The car will also look much better with stripes too.  That was the whole identity with a Z28.  Without it, these cars are very bland.

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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2009, 10:14:15 AM »

Have you asked Bob Wingate? Since he ordered and sold your car when it was new, maybe he remembers about the stripes...

Jerry... the cars that were ordered with out stripes in 67 yet were delivered with them... did they have the OO on the trim tags or were they coded with Alpha Paint Codes?
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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2009, 09:19:25 PM »

Out of the 200 cars in the registry, Paul's is the only '67 Z28 OO paint code car.

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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2009, 10:22:39 PM »

 Go with the white stripes........
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« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2009, 09:53:07 AM »

Were any of the other cars with "RPO paint codes" ordered sans stripes?
If they were ordered with out stripes OR "special paint" yet didn't receive OO paint codes isn't it possible that they were painted per normal practice like any other Z28 with STD paint codes?
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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2009, 11:03:54 PM »

Well, yesterday I talked to Bob Wingate who ordered and sold my car originally back in 1967.  Unfortunately, Bob did not have any "specific" recollection of the stripe color on my car.  He did seem to think that it came with stripes.  But, he could not say for certain what color they may have been.  His best recollection (from one day 42 years ago), was that it had black stripes.  He said he would look through his documentation and pictures and see if he could find anything specific on my car's appearance way back in the day.  He did remember ordering my car, and some other high performance cars in the orange paint color.  I do know that the car that was produced immedialty after mine was an SS 350 or 396 in the same color.  I do have some pictures of that car - it was in pretty rough shape when it was sold on ebay a while back.

Thanks for the research ideas and opinions on what I should do next.

I was on the east coast last week and saw the car in person on 5/13/09 - its looking great.  Color will go on in the next 2 - 3 weeks.  That's pretty exciting.  I'll post a couple of pictures when that's done.

Paul

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