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« on: February 12, 2009, 10:44:48 PM »

Does anyone know if bowtie mirrors were installed on 67 Camaros?  I sold a 67 back in the summer that was an all original with 52k miles, survivor car, October 66 build date - it had one.  I now have a 67 SS/RS with a December build date that has one.....  Just curious Huh  I've read posts that say it never happened and had people tell me the same.  These cars appear to be original...
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2009, 10:22:33 PM »

If you mean the small bowtie on the back of the mirror, then yes they were on 67's. I have a June built 67 RS with dual mirrors, both with bowties on them.
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2009, 11:18:34 PM »

Although we are still researching this, it's known that the bowtie mirror was used from 1963 though early 1966 for the following models:

Corvette from mid 1963 through mid 1966 (around VIN 103300)
Chevelle from the 1963 model year through the very early 1966 model year
Nova for the 1963 model year through the 1965 model year
Full Sized cars from the 1963 model year through the 1965 model year (as part of the Z01 Comfort and Convenience Option Group).

The Camaro didn't start production until August, 1966 (several months AFTER the bowtie mirror ceased production on all other Chevrolet models), so it's fairly reasonable to assume it wasn't used on the Camaro.

Note that although the bowtie mirror has been observed on a few very early publicity photos, Chevrolet publicity pictures are known to contain items that never made production and can't be used for verification.

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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2009, 09:08:39 AM »

1st generation Camaros never came with mirrors on both doors from the factory, so if you have dual mirrors one was added either by the dealer or a previous owner.
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2009, 11:45:27 AM »

After discussing this with other CRG member, I need to make changes to the above. The dates should read:

Corvette from mid 1963 through February 1967 (around VIN 103300)
Chevelle from the 1963 model year through the 1966 model year
Nova from the 1963 model year through the 1966 model year
Full Sized cars from the 1963 model year through the 1966 model year

Note that GM documentation shows this mirror wasn't used after 1966, but a few original early 1967 Chevelle's and full size cars have been observed with this mirror.

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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2009, 07:05:10 PM »

In my 20 + years of judging, I have never seen a Bowtie mirror on a 1967 Camaro.  I own a 13,000 mile March built 67 Z28 and it has the original mirror.  It's plain.

Hope this helps,

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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2009, 10:08:37 PM »

Thanks all - This does help.......
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2009, 10:34:23 PM »

Panther, do you happen to remember the VIN of the car you sold? Or if it was built in LA or Norwood?

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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2009, 11:11:53 AM »

It was a LOS built car, vin 124377L107658.  Built the second week of October
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2009, 01:23:11 PM »

Thank you.

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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2009, 02:21:51 PM »

The yellow L30 car.
Do you recall if there was a date on the mirror?
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2009, 03:39:02 PM »

Yes it was the yellow L30 car.  I do not remember if there was a date.  I'll dig through some photos in the next couple of days and see if I can spot anything.  If I talk to the new owner in the next few days - I will ask him.

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2954617170082165604rtOMEv

http://rides.webshots.com/album/515718109eMERDv

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2009, 04:14:12 PM »

Does this mean that the nos replacement mirrors  that were sold years ago are in fact the original mirrors or is there a difference? I still have my un-installed nos mirror and always was under the impression they were incorrect w/o the bowtie.
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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2009, 08:28:57 PM »

Original Chevrolet mirrors would be correct.

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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2009, 09:33:30 PM »

Let me expand on my above answer...

While "original" Chevrolet mirrors would be correct, NOS, or "service" mirrors may or may not be correct. Chevrolet service parts were intended to perform the same function as original parts, but might not be exactly the same. Therefore, even though the part number might be the same, minor changes to the design might be seen and the part not be exactly like originals.

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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2009, 11:59:25 PM »

Hogdaddy...Yes you want to use the one without the Bowtie.
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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2009, 03:40:25 PM »

I have the original mirror body from my Ď67 RS L30/M20  Norwood convert. Itís a plain mirror on the outside. On the inside (mirror glass is long gone) there is a small bowtie, the number 79413, a separate number 2, what looks like the letters NH run together, and two circles and two squares with some dots inside them. This help any? Cheers-  Pete
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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2009, 10:51:20 PM »

A nos mirror just recently sold for $250.00 on Ebay. Holy cowL!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/66-67-68-camaro-nova-chevelle-impala-NOS-mirror-ss-rs_W0QQitemZ230325391891QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item230325391891&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A13%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2009, 08:34:53 AM »

I had my eye on that one - thats it.  Anyone know how the USA repo's are?
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2009, 12:45:34 PM »

I had my eye on that one - thats it.  Anyone know how the USA repo's are?

Don't give up Danny!  I've found another NOS one for you...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/67-Firebird-Camaro-64-65-66-67-68-Chevelle-NOS-Mirror_W0QQitemZ130288953992QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item130288953992&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2009, 06:05:12 PM »

LoL - Thanks Paul - NOS stuff is great, I'll keep an eye on it.  I have an NOS 68-69 right hand if anyone would like to trade for a 67 mirror.  Undecided
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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2009, 06:33:59 PM »

Remember, there is a date code on the glass so paying crazy money for one and its still not correct !
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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2009, 12:19:13 PM »

I agree - thanks!
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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2009, 08:42:01 PM »

Paragon Corvette sells glass only with your date code.

http://www.corvette-paragon.com/p-349424-exterior-rear-view-mirror-glass-dated.aspx
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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2009, 09:02:03 PM »

FYI:  All 1967 Chevrolet full size cars (caprice, impala, bel air, biscayne) used a mirror with a bowtie cast in it. You can take that to the bank.  Part numbers: LH 3901861, RH 3901862. RH Accessory number 987025.  Those 3909197 mirrors are correct for 1967 camaros. Anyone who has studied Chevrolet parts has learned that the only thing that was consistent is inconsistency.

All cars in 1967 came with a LH mirror as standard equipment as per NHSTA regulations. 1965 and previous years did not have an outside rearview mirror as standard equipment. That is why you see so many accessory mirrors for 1965 and back for sale. Dealers kept a healthy stock of these on hand as many customers had one installed at the dealer if the car did not come with one. This also explains why you don't see any 1967 and up accessory LH mirrors for sale.  By then all cars came with one and there was no longer a need to offer one as an accessory.

If you look at remote mirrors the last year for a bowtie on any remote mirror is 1966 and the bow tie was on the stem and not the head of the mirror. By the time the Camaro came around the remote mirror that is correct for the 1967 Camaro is also shared with the 67 Chevelle, Corvair, Nova and 66 Caprice. No bowties at all. Camaro came around at a transistional time for the Bow tie on the mirror. Who knows why it was eliminated. Too bad because I think it ads a lot of character to the mirror and of course pride in wearing the Bow tie.
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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2009, 09:15:37 PM »

TY for your input.....
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