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Question: Do you like the look of a Vinyl Roof on a First Generation Camaro?
Yes, if original - 103 (57.2%)
Yes, original or not - 40 (22.2%)
No, even if original - 10 (5.6%)
No, no matter what - 12 (6.7%)
Maybe, depends on color - 15 (8.3%)
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« on: March 09, 2006, 02:25:50 PM »

I've heard pro and con on vinyl roofs for the first generation Camaro.
What do you think?
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2006, 01:36:24 AM »

I don't care for it so much.  MY car had it when I bought it, but I removed it when we restored/restified her.

I've only heard bad things with the vinyl roofs...rust etc.
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2006, 06:13:30 AM »

I have a 67 SS with Vinyl roof and it looks great!!!!!!!!! haven't had any concerns with rust as of yet. And if I do, I'll pull the top, repair what needs to be repaired and put a new Vinyl on.

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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2006, 07:10:39 AM »

If the car originally had one, leave it on or replace it when restoring. I think they look great.
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2006, 04:04:15 PM »

MMMM ERT, did your car have rust when you removed the vinyl and was it at the bottom of the back window (like most 60s chevys) or elsewhere?

Dab67, what colors? Post us a picture...

Drdave, as you can see my car has a vinyl roof.  The fellow who had it before me put it on and did a great job.  But my trim tag says YY, so its not original.  Still, everybody tells me that Butternut Yellow looks better with black vinyl.  The next time I have it painted, I need to decide whether to take it back to original.  That's the reason for my poll.
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2006, 04:36:27 PM »

MMMM ERT, did your car have rust when you removed the vinyl and was it at the bottom of the back window (like most 60s chevys) or elsewhere?



There was some slight surface rust under the vinyl in spots all over the roof.   ...and yes, the rear window tray had rust which is standard for any 1st gen.    Fortunetely, my car was an original Cali car and rust damage was minor.    The trunk pan was totally rotted out, had to replace it...someone left water in there.

I don't dislike the vinyl look...but I prefer 1st gens without it.  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2006, 01:43:49 AM »

I came close to not putting the vinyl top back on my 69 but am glad that I did now.  I wanted to go Hugger Orange with white stripes but ended up replacing the black vinyl to top to maintain it's originality.  Just wished that I had'nt put that rear spoiler on it.
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2006, 07:54:25 PM »

MMMM ERT,
Was it much trouble (beyond the rust) preparing the roof for painting?
I've know guys would did away with their vinyl, but never heard them talk about sanding the roof to get it ready to paint.
Thanks for the info. Grin

Please vote!!!
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2006, 06:04:56 AM »

lake:

My car is Royal Plum with a White Vinyl (M-1) SS350 with SS hood and white stripes, black standard interior, powerglide with console and gauges. As soon as I can get a decent picture of it in the sunshine and no snow (Wisconsin here) I will try an post it. Car is basically stock except for headers I just put on. 

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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2006, 01:31:58 PM »

MMMM ERT,
Was it much trouble (beyond the rust) preparing the roof for painting?
I've know guys would did away with their vinyl, but never heard them talk about sanding the roof to get it ready to paint.
Thanks for the info. Grin

Please vote!!!

Honestly, paint and body work is BLACK MAGIC to me...I let the body shop take care of it.  I know it wasn't too bad...the hardest part was getting the roof perfectly smooth for paint.
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2006, 06:38:20 PM »

Thanks for the posts!  I've been out of town a few days, but now I can see a pattern to the voting.

Please vote!
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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2006, 10:09:09 PM »

i have already voted on this, so now i guess this is just my opinion.  some colors look good with a vinyl top.  some colors don't.  i just found out alot of information about my 67 camaro.  it was purchased in dire need of repair 18 years ago with my understanding that it was an RS with a vinyl top.  after decoding and all that, i found out it is a base model butternut yellow without a top.  not a bad color, but the black top would look alot better in my opinion.  maybe if it was a diiferent color...i.e. black, red or blue, vinyl probably not
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2006, 06:34:01 AM »

I asked this same question about m own car that is Daytona Yellow with a black vinyl top. At first I really wanted to not put the top on. But after asking this same question onTeam Camaro and paying more attention to cars with vinyl tops I started to appreciate the unique style of the top. I am now in the middle of a frame off on the car and am definitely putting the top back on.
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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2006, 02:44:42 PM »

I guess that is an important point.  First, yellow cars do look good with black vinyl.  Second, vinyl is a 60s and 70s look.
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2006, 01:15:51 AM »

My 68 R/S is tuxedo black with a black vinyl top and pearl parchment deluxe interior. It'll be done in about two weeks and the top looks cool because of the continuing "beltline" stainless moldings. Also, my dad used to run an upholstery shop and he pointed out that the factory didn't put a lot of time into the roof bodywork due to the soft backing of vinyl tops which hides many small imperfections. My upper quarter seams show the lead areas along with many little waves etc. It's a bunch more body work (which I hate) that you have to pay for if you delete the top. I voted to keep a factory top vinyl if it came that way. Besides, we all keep our cars in out of the rain right? ;-) Dan
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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2006, 06:31:08 AM »

 Grin I've just been informed my 67 will be on the front page of the CRG website for April. So Lake take a look and let me know what you think!

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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2006, 11:30:47 AM »

OK, so far we've gotten about 250 views and only 26 votes.  PLEASE VOTE!

Dab67, You're going to make us wait till April?!?  Royal Plum was another one of the great 60s/70s colors (at least in my opinion... One of my friends used to have a plum colored AMX that drew crowds at shows like a magnet.).  Cannot wait to see it!

Summertime, I'd love to see that black on black.  That's timeless!  (But hard to keep clean... I've got a new all black car and would love to keep it out of the rain...)

That's worth knowing that cars with vinyl tops may not have gotten as much TLC at the factory.
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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2006, 06:41:48 AM »

If I knew how to post a picture to this sight I would post my car. Sorry, not to familar with the in's and out's of the web!

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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2006, 10:46:33 AM »

well I tried to send the pictures from work and it will let copy but it will not let me paste it to the forum. sorry
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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2006, 12:46:35 PM »

Use the standard "Reply" button (not the "quick reply"), and use the "Additional Options" feature below the box you type in; that will upload the image from your computer and place it in your post; copy-and-paste won't work - the image has to be uploaded first, and that feature does it.
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« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2006, 01:33:26 PM »

Thanks, John.  I stand corrected!
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« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2006, 11:35:52 AM »

Up to 330 views and got 30 votes...  Seems like you get a vote for about every ten views...  PLEASE VOTE!
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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2006, 01:01:57 AM »

My 69 SS had a black vinyl top originally.  They were quite popluar back then and certainly a sign of the times.

When I installed my new quarter panels with the sails, I couldn't bring myself to drill holes for the vinyl top
trim.  Sooooo, off the vinyl top came.  I was very happy when I finished the car.  As time went by, I started
to look at the vinyl top Camaros differently ( perspective of time ). I came to realize that the 69 vinyl top
was really differernt in that there was the 1" reveal ( painted body color ) all along the drip rail molding.  This
was totally unique and really set the top off quite nicely.  It didn't take long to add the top back on.

If you keep it out of the rain, it really shouldn't rust.  Besides, how many of us leave our restored cars out in
the rain?  My Camaro has not seen rain in 25 years.  See my point?

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« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2006, 05:03:19 PM »

Steve,
I had actually forgotten that the 69 had that 1" reveal.  I know I've seen that dozens of times before.  (AHA! That also explains why vinyl kits require trimming for a 69!) But since you've put one on, how was it done?  I can look at my 68 where the vinyl comes all the way to the drip rail and that seems obvious and simple.  Is the 69 top that much more complicated? Huh
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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2006, 06:33:38 PM »

Phillip,

I did a 68 Camaro vinyl top with my brother years ago.  No biggie.

I didn't do my '69 myself.  I started to do it, but I got scared that I might not get it just right.  I'm a perfectionist by nature and defer to others
when I'm not up to the challenge.  The areas of concern to me were around the window trim ( front & rear ) and how the vinyl top tucked
under it so as to eliminate peeling and the trim seating properly. 

I did wet sand the top paint up to the area where the vinyl top chrome would be installed.  This promoted better adhesion of the glue.

BTW, as I didn't have the trim location anymore, so I had someone with a vinyl top car under restoration send me the measurements for each
rivet location on the quarters and the back ( below the rear window ).  Drilling that first hole was scarry. Shocked  Once I started drilling, it get easier
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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2006, 06:36:59 AM »

Lake:
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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2006, 09:42:35 AM »

Steve, Thanks for the info.  Sounds like its not that tough a job, as long as you are precise and take your time.

Dab67, BEAUTIFUL!!! Thanks for the picture.  The white really sets up that dark plum look.  Great car!!!
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« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2006, 05:24:38 PM »

You know, this topic really got me to thinking about a 1969 Camaro "Day Two" or COPO car that I saw at the Camaro Nationals a few years ago.

I recall that it was green with a black vinyl top that was dealer installed.  It used the 1967-68 scheme where the vinyl went up to the drip rails.
When I first saw it, I did a double take.  Then I thought to myself - FAKE !  I believe I later learned that some dealers did vinyl top installations,
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« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2006, 07:43:39 PM »

my68 came with it orig.  It was island teal with a black vinyl top.  It was restored once already and the car is now an ss clone hugger orange with a black vinyl top.  I really liked the way it looked but it left the roof in bad shape.  Mainly around the rear window and the C pillar.  The actual window frame is fine but the rest is bad. 
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« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2006, 09:49:49 AM »

I suppose you mean rust, etc. around the rear window and pillar.  Of course, that was the curse of all 60s & early 70s cars.  Did it sit out in the weather?  By what you said, do you think that wouldn't have happened without the vinyl?

Thanks for the pictures...
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« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2006, 08:22:26 AM »

PlLEASE VOTE!
Well, if 34 persons can be considered an acurrate and wide-ranging survey, then I think I'll keep my vinyl top when I get the car repainted.  Considering some of the negative comments I've seen elsewhere, I'm pleasantly surprised.  Thanks for the input!
I'm going to shut this poll down next week... Would still like to have your opinion.
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« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2006, 11:23:33 AM »

I voted for maybe, depends on color.  But I also wanted to vote yes, if original.  So, yes, if original, and sometimes even when it isn't original. Cool
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« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2006, 07:12:32 AM »

Thanks for the opinions and votes.  Got some good, helpful information.  Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2006, 10:15:12 PM »

Phillip,

I know you shut down your poll but you asked to see my Tuxedo black with black vinyl 68 R/S when finished, so here it is. I'm getting tons of compliments for the color combo with pearl parchment interior, all which is original to the car. Way back I voted for keep it original but also believe it's in the eye of the beholder/owner. Good luck, Dan
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« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2006, 12:33:24 PM »

Sumrtime--Beautiful car.  It would be a shame NOT to have the vinyl top.  Dave
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« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2006, 07:31:25 PM »

Dan,

Now, that's what we are talking about!  Thanks for the picture.
That black on black combination is great! Grin Grin Grin

Hope you are going to send that shot to sdkar:
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« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2006, 08:23:22 PM »

What do you think?
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« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2006, 08:33:48 PM »

To me it depends on the car.  I don't like vinyl tops on the performance Camaros,  i.e. SS or Z/28.   Vinyl tops to me give a car a more luxurios feel.  With that said, I think they do look good on 1st gen plain jane sport coups or on RS models.
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« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2006, 10:34:36 PM »

I'm kinda split in the middle. Like gro51 said, no vinyl top gives the car more of a performance appearance versus a more sedate, optioned model. But then, if I had a numbers-matching car or a Z/28 or a heavily-optioned car to restore there is no way I'd not put a vinyl top back on it. My '68 originally had a vinyl top, but the original drivetrain is long gone and the car is a sparsely-optioned Plain Jane coupe--just what I wanted for a hot rod--so I  the vinyl top goes. I voted for Depends on the Color, for on some cars a vinyl top makes a nice statement. Butternut Yellow with a black vinyl top and black interior is sharp for a true resto, eh Phil? You GO guy.
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« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2006, 11:24:01 AM »

Thanks, Hotrod & Joe.  Actually, that's part of the reason I started this poll.  The previous owner of my car restored it half in the direction of sport and half in the direction of luxury. (Actually, he went in so many different directions, it's hard to tell...) When I finally decide to give up driving it for a while and put the big bucks into it, I've got to go in one direction or the other.  Both of you make a good point about how it depends on the look and the purpose. Take another look at Summertime's black on black 68 RS above.

On the other hand there were some 60s muscle cars of various models ordered with BB motors and vinyl tops.  I had a buddy in college that had a 71 red BB Chevelle, SS, stripes, and yes, a black vinyl top.  Everybody loved that car! It was sort of like an "I want it all" attitude.  How else would you explain a BB RS/SS Camaro?  Come to think of it, however, my buddy got his one night when he pulled up next to a dog bowl hubcapped, plain jane Camaro.  Turned out to be a COPO.

What do the rest of you think???

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« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2006, 10:46:21 PM »

Shoot, Phil, on a big-block car who cares?  lol. "396" emblems in those days were almost magical, even if it was a mere 325hp car. Those things were tire-fryers--Chevelle, Camaro...Bel Air. I knew a guy who bought a baby blue '70 SS Chevelle 360-hp 4-speed car new in high school. Black stripes, black interior and yes--black vinyl top. It had Magnum 500 wheels and just LOOKED mean. Being a true hot-rodder, he trashed the manifolds and installed headers, changed the cam and intake, and began to clean almost anything on the street with it. He wound up butting heads with one well-modified white '69 Z/28 that sounded like a bunch of tin cans rattling and a clap of thunder at the same time. Geez, that 302 SCREAMED. The Z prevailed by a half-car length (NOT on the street--chuckle). Ironically, the Z had a black viny top! I guess it's all in your perception of what's hot or not. I wonder if that mystical Z could have dusted your dog-bowl COPO?   lmao I'd guess the Z would have met its match with a COPO 427. But it sure dusted that 396 off. 
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« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2006, 08:53:55 AM »

Love to get a few more votes and opinions.  Otherwise going to shut this one down soon.
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« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2006, 06:17:50 PM »

check out this one Grin
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« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2006, 06:19:24 PM »

and this one Grin
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« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2006, 06:23:26 PM »

and this one allthough its not a camaro Shocked
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« Reply #45 on: October 18, 2006, 06:27:33 PM »

all my cars have the B code for the black top and I think its a nice option,if your trim tag doesnt have the option well then my opinion is no dont do it. Grin
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« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2006, 04:16:50 PM »

OK, once last stab at getting 50 votes on this before I close it down for the winter...

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« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2006, 12:27:40 AM »

Holy smokes, 69RSZ--that thing is GORGEOUS!
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« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2006, 07:49:05 AM »

Thanks for the compliments,I like the vinyl tops, they give the car a nice look.My 68Z is pictured as the 68 car of the month on the homepage and it also has a black top.in order are my Z cars.67,68,69.


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« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2006, 12:50:18 PM »

Now that I know my 69 had a vinyl top I'm thinking about replacing it. Can someone point me to a good starting point? I presume I will need all trim, fasteners, material, some type of template or measurements to start drilling etc.

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« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2006, 03:53:15 PM »

Tom you might check the camaro assembly manual.I think the specs might be in there but im not sure.you will need the roof trim.it comes in a kit from any camaro restoration dealer like ricks or firewheel classics.
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phil sorry i took so long to reply to this.  In my first post you asked me if I thought the rust around the window was due to the vinyl top.  Yes definately.  It held moisture right around the trim and it was so bad it bubbled.  The car only has 40k on it total and was restored in 95-96, which is when the vinyl top was put on.  The car had one from the factory as well.  I can only assume it sat outside, but due to the poor resto job I have no idea how they prepped the roof.  The rear 1/4s were both replaced, front windshield had some bondo/lead work done to it, and the roof had like 6 different colors of filler.  The lips on top of the rear 1/4s were all covered with bondo that was so much thicker then you are ever supposed to use it.  Even if the car sits inside.  If its not driven and not kept it a strict moisture controlled environment I dont think i would put a vinyl top back on.  If you plan on driving it often that might be different.  I dont think i can save the pillars on this car so i might end up putting a whole roof on it.  If i do the car will definatly not get a vinyl top.  A guy i work with has an early gto with a vinyl top that he drives monthly and it has no problems at all with rust or moisture.  I also have a friend with several old licolns that sit or sat for exteneded periods of time outside and you can push holes throught the body where the trim was its so thin from rust. 

Its hard to see because of the crappy pic, but you can definatly make out a color difference where the top used to be.  the bottome 6" was all flaky rust.  And the car sat inside a garage from about 98 or 99 until today without being driven.  I can also see in to the car in several places where the trim was.



if you look at the paint around the trim you can see it bubbling up.



I dont want to discourage you from putting one on.  Personally I loved the look of the car in hugger orange with the SS clone stuff and vinyl top.  I like the look of the cars with vinyl tops if they have all the orig trim with the car, emblems and everything.  It really dates them.  If you are trying to modernize it i would steer away from it.

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« Reply #52 on: November 07, 2006, 10:18:17 AM »

Shift 1313,

Sounds like you've had all those body resto. nightmares rolled into one.  We definitely know that design tended to encourage some of the rust.  The vinyl only complicates the problem --holding the water in.  And yes, inheriting a poor and improper restoration is perhaps the biggest nightmare.  A few years ago, I had a guy from a major restoration shop in SC tell me, "For every minute it takes to paint a car, you need to spend thirty prepping it."

Right now, my 68 is a mutt driver.  Eventually, when I do fully restore it, I will probably put the vinyl on it.  The original color is butternut yellow and a black vinyl top really sets yellow (and several other colors) off.  Having said that, I've literally talked with dozens of people at shows and meetings about vinyl tops.  There are lots of war stories about rust, bubbling and cracking, (Of course, that's true with or without vinyl.) about liking or not liking the look (So far, this poll proves that a vast majority like the look --at least on the right car), and about originality.  (I must confess my trim tag is YY, and that's the one point where I'm seriously considering not going original in the restoration.)

With or without the vinyl and even as a driver, I try not to drive when the road is wet, let alone when it is raining.  When I wash the car, about an hour after drying it, I go back with a blower (low speed) and dry out the underbody and all the seams.  If anyone wonders about rust, they ought to try that.  A lot of water does sit under the vinyl trim, etc.

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« Reply #53 on: November 07, 2006, 12:00:51 PM »

With all the rust issues what can I do during restoration to minimize rust if I decide to go vinyl. I do not have the luxury of garage space, and I live next to wetlands less than a foot above sea level (constant humidity even in winter).

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« Reply #54 on: November 07, 2006, 05:42:15 PM »

I'd start with Por-15 or a similar product.  I've seen Por-15 work very well on some marine applications.
Look at this: http://www.por15.com/

Seriously, after restoration you plan to keep your car outside in high humidity?
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« Reply #55 on: November 15, 2006, 11:13:18 AM »

OK, we got fifty votes... so I'm closing down.

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« Reply #56 on: December 10, 2006, 07:21:55 AM »

i left the vinyl top off my 69 rs/ss . its a rally green with parment vinyl top code 79 E   also an x-22 car that hhas never had factory stripes
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« Reply #57 on: December 15, 2006, 12:14:55 AM »

i think it looked great on the new 69 i used to have   blue with the black
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« Reply #58 on: February 17, 2007, 04:52:14 PM »

Seeing a lot of new names on the site...
Thought I'd dust this one off and seek more opinions.
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« Reply #59 on: February 17, 2007, 09:35:13 PM »

I don't really like the vinyl tops look but I agree with others..if the car had it from the factory  then replace it.  I also agree that it is a very 60-70's look so kinda goes with the cars.  The green SS below had a lot of rot from the vinyl but since the car is numbers matching we took it back to the original appearance (and took a lot of grief from friends for "ruining" a perfectly good fathom green paint job Grin)...but not all vinyl roofs rot.  The '69 GTO has it's original vinyl roof in place and started in wet Seatttle (Olympia to be specific) and then moved to Alaska.

In case Sam is looking...the SS is an LA built car that spent its entire life in CA and had very rusty quarters and rear window channel. Cheesy

Bottom line...we don't treat these cars as they were treated when new and daily drivers so vinyl roofs are not real weak spots any longer.  It comes down to originality and preference on appearance in my book.



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« Reply #60 on: February 19, 2007, 12:55:42 PM »

I like the looks of them and I get alot of comments at car shows since not too many are around compared to coupes without them. Smiley

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« Reply #61 on: February 19, 2007, 04:52:14 PM »

My 67 came with one originally and it will be put back on it when I restore it. Nantucket Blue, Black top, White stripes orignally. Kind of wish the stripes and top were the same color.
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« Reply #62 on: February 19, 2007, 09:37:04 PM »

Thanks for the pictures!  And the votes!  More opinions...?
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« Reply #63 on: February 19, 2007, 10:54:09 PM »

Here is my green L89 with a green vinyl top...
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« Reply #64 on: March 05, 2007, 04:50:19 PM »

Vote...
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« Reply #65 on: March 05, 2007, 08:40:20 PM »

I agree with the view that if the car came with a vinyl roof, restore it with the vinyl roof. Mine (a '69 Z/28 RS Garnet Red with black stripes) has vinyl and I love it. It is also true that mine will never see rain, so I'm not worried about rust.
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« Reply #66 on: March 07, 2007, 11:24:23 PM »

If any car is still fairly original, especially with paperwork/documentation, I think it's a shame to change it. When I go to a show and see a car with the typical "crowd pleaser" color and trim combinations, I can't help but feel a little less excited when I see that it's been changed----even though it looks beautiful (can't splain it Lucy).  On certain cars, vinyl looks awesome---original or not.  Contast is best---light on dark or dark on light.  The reason most of us own these cars is for the pleasure they give us. That being said....at the end of the day, will YOU be happier knowing your car is now as it left the factory or by the way it looks now?  It's your car and only you know the answer to that question. Your black on Butternut 68 is a winner. I would keep the top.    Grin
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« Reply #67 on: March 08, 2007, 11:56:39 AM »

Thanks, Steve.  Actually, I've just completed the history of my car.  My trim tag says "YY", but the original owner drove it off the lot with a vinyl top --original dealer installed.  You make a good point about contrast.  In fact, the original owner had the top installed because it really set off a butternut yellow car. So, I'm keeping the vinyl and carrying my documentation to shows.
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« Reply #68 on: March 09, 2007, 11:12:36 AM »

I get the originality argument, but Vinyl is out...I like my cars metal - not with a fake convertible look to them! Your pictures do look great, and I don't adivise ripping them off but if you are doing a resto get out the sander and show some metal and paint!
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« Reply #69 on: March 16, 2007, 01:55:32 PM »

Out?!?  Well, yes, for about 30 years...
But fake convertible?  In 68, vinyl tops outsold convertibles 3 to 1, and by 69 5 to 1.  Convertibles were on their way out!  Makes them rare and worth something today.
Don't get me wrong, I love convertibles.  I've owned three.  And yes, the right color of paint... the more the better.
Thanks for posting!  Anybody else?
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« Reply #70 on: March 17, 2007, 03:46:14 PM »

  Back in the day I hated them, but I was into hotrodding them at that time. Now as time has gone on I have gotten sick of seeing all the aftermarket chrome, intakes, carbs, wheels, seats, paint and other stuff people do to them. I like them to look the way they came from the factory which is why my butternut yellow 67 RS will have the black vinyl top it came with. The 327 will we solid chevy orange and the rest of the car will be as stock as I can make it.
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« Reply #71 on: March 20, 2007, 09:34:56 AM »

If it came with one originally I would definitely put one back on when restoring. My original car shows no signs of rust and has original vinyl.
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« Reply #72 on: March 20, 2007, 09:54:22 AM »

Danny,

Could you post a picture of your original white vinyl top?  What sort of shape is it in overall? How has it bee taken care of over the years?
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« Reply #73 on: March 20, 2007, 02:18:27 PM »

Overall it is in pretty good shape. It show signs of it's age. A little dryed out. Has one small tear near bottom by rear window. Overall it is to nice to replace since car is a survivor. I can't post a pic. Mine are to large. I've only owned the car a little over a year so not sure how it was taken care of.
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« Reply #74 on: March 20, 2007, 02:32:18 PM »

Danny,

I'm sending you my work email address.  I'd love to have a white vinyl top picture included here.  I'll reduce it and post it.

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« Reply #75 on: March 20, 2007, 08:45:02 PM »

My SS

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« Reply #76 on: March 21, 2007, 03:24:49 PM »

Thanks for those pictures, Danny.  I wanted the white vinyl represented here, and it's great to get a Vintage car for an example.

So far, the general trend is yes to vinyl.  But I appreciate the no ideas and other thoughts.
80.9% = yes; 10.3% = no; 8.8% = maybe.  That's still 4 to 1 on the yes side.

I do wonder if I'd started this under Originality, if that would have affected the vote.

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« Reply #77 on: March 21, 2007, 06:05:02 PM »

Phillip:

67 SS Plum with White Vinyl

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« Reply #78 on: March 24, 2007, 09:41:05 AM »

Thank you, too, Dave.

I think we have gotten a pretty balanced view of the issues --except perhaps a little more "negative" view of either look or rust-causing.  If anyone wants to say anymore --good or bad-- please do!  Otherwise I'm going to let this one "fade" down the page, again.

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« Reply #79 on: March 24, 2007, 12:55:20 PM »

keep it on phil. It looks good. Grin
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« Reply #80 on: March 31, 2007, 08:21:55 PM »

Ron, left it on until the end of the month...

Locking the voting for a while and letting this one "fade"...
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« Reply #81 on: May 09, 2007, 03:44:17 PM »

I am all for it if it has to be there to restore it to its orginal factory condition.  If I was to make a resto-mod I would probably leave it off.   

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« Reply #83 on: May 09, 2007, 04:07:08 PM »

Tim,
Thanks for the pics.  We've really not got anything like yours in this thread.

BTW, I know what a Seadoo is.  But humor an old man, what does CBR9 mean?
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« Reply #84 on: May 09, 2007, 06:11:01 PM »

BTW, I know what a Seadoo is.  But humor an old man, what does CBR9 mean?

My guess is Seadoo with a Honda CBR900 motorcycle engine in it!   Grin

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« Reply #86 on: January 01, 2008, 10:41:36 PM »

My vote is for the top. I can't imagine may car being the same without the black top. It does depend on the car though.

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« Reply #87 on: January 02, 2008, 08:54:33 AM »

Love that black on black!  I also noticed your grill.  There's been an interesting discussion on grills here:

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« Reply #88 on: January 12, 2008, 12:22:30 AM »

I like the looks of the vinyl roofs, especially the original ones.  If the roof is in good shape and the car is going to be garage kept and not much bad weather, I would think a new vinyl top would hold up nicely and look good for years to come.
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« Reply #89 on: January 14, 2008, 11:58:01 AM »

The key is to have an air compressor and blow out any water from under the trim after a wash or getting the car wet.  Do that CORRECTLY without driving water up & under the top and rust will never be an issue.
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« Reply #90 on: January 14, 2008, 07:03:29 PM »

So, is the trick to the "air drying", low pressure, angle, or what?

I've always tired to use as little water as possible on the vinyl top and dry everything a little extra with a blower on low speed.  I have noticed that water does get under trim.
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« Reply #91 on: January 14, 2008, 07:39:49 PM »

I use that blue painters masking tape to keep the water getting in where it would logicall would go, no air needed later to blow out. takes me about 5 minutes before i start washing the car, living around oak trees and around chicago, the car gets dirty so I wash it a lot. Its so easy to put that on the rear window near the bottom and the sides here and there. I used black turtle wax to fill in all the pores of the top and then treated it good with Mother's products.

the tape comes right off, easy easy easy. but it keeps water from getting in bad places. works fine on the side trim too at the base of the roof.

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« Reply #92 on: January 15, 2008, 08:27:50 AM »

So, is the trick to the "air drying", low pressure, angle, or what?
I back the regulator down to 35 PSI and you have to blow in the direction from vinyl to metal not vise versa if that makes sense.  In another way-blow from the top side on vinyl to car trim and for around rear window blow through the gap between vinyl & rear window trim while holding a towel on the glass to suck up the water that's blown out.  Guess this is only my opinion on how to do it too!

I'm gonna try the tape next time too though, never thought tape would keep out water but even if it limits the amount that get's in there all the better!!!
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« Reply #93 on: January 16, 2008, 06:27:51 PM »

Between the two of you sounds like a good plan to me!  Thanks!  Grin

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« Reply #94 on: January 21, 2008, 09:00:19 PM »

Here's My 2 Cents Worth . It's Your Car To Enjoy , View As Many Camaro's As You Can With Your Paint Color Both With and Without The Top . Then Go With what You Will Enjoy . I Have An Olympic Gold Z That Came With The Top And I Love The Way It Gives It A More Aggressive Stance . It Is In The Body Shop Now And I Am Having The Top Massaged And Painted As If The Vinyl Was Not Going Back On . The Front Clip Was Alligned Then Removed And Will Be Painted Apart From The Car . I Will Then Take It And Have The Top And Headliner Installed , I Will Install The Motor And Trans. Then Take It Back To The Body Shop And Have The Windshield And Back Window Installed Along With The Front Clip And Hood . The Reason for Saying This Is It May Save You Money To Have It Installed This Way .
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« Reply #95 on: January 25, 2008, 10:23:05 AM »

I've got the car in the shop and the vinyl top stays...

Still like your opinion... please vote!
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« Reply #96 on: January 26, 2008, 11:02:35 AM »

My car came royal plum with a black top. When I finish the car I'm going to put it back too
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« Reply #97 on: January 27, 2008, 06:51:01 PM »

Good choice Phillip, the vinyl top and butternut yellow go great together and every show I have been to with mine, people love it. I have seen the odd butternut yellow camaro without the vinyl top and it just doesn't look right (at least in my opinion).

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« Reply #98 on: February 03, 2008, 02:41:24 PM »

Roadrunner68, I've seen a picture of what may be the first butternut yellow 67 Camaro.  It is YY with a bubble bee strip.  But it still looks "plain" without the vinyl.  Yellow just begged for the top in first gen.

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« Reply #99 on: February 23, 2008, 09:08:56 PM »

Finished the mechanical side of the restoration, so we've started on the body work/decloning/painting side.
And guess what I found first thing under the rear widow... You bet!  The famous (infamous) Chevy rear window rust!
There was already about a six inch, odd running crack, so I wasn't surprised.
My real point is: even though the previous owner did a frame off restoration about 12 years ago and (supposedly) dealt with that area... and yes ,garage kept the car since, the rust did come back --right up under the bottom edge of the vinyl top.
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« Reply #100 on: March 23, 2009, 07:28:03 PM »

Final result, yes with black vinyl top... gotta have it with butternut!

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« Reply #101 on: March 23, 2009, 07:31:49 PM »

Hey looks GREAT Phillip!!!!
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« Reply #102 on: July 12, 2009, 09:07:34 AM »

I guess that is an important point.  First, yellow cars do look good with black vinyl.  Second, vinyl is a 60s and 70s look.

I agree completely. My '69 is butternut yellow with an original black vinyl top and it looks great. No problems with rust so far. I've seen several yellow Camaros w/o vinyl tops and don't care for the look. To me a black top on yellow really stands out and sets off the car. Cool

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« Reply #103 on: July 12, 2009, 09:39:15 PM »

I like the vinyl top look. My 68 had one but it was in bad shape. I took it off and made the usual repairs below the back window. That is when I was a 16 year old kid. Now my 69 convertible Butternut yellow is totally restored to stock and if I knew now...... well you all know the saying. Lakeholme, get that butternut color back on, it looks great with the black contrast.
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« Reply #104 on: July 13, 2009, 06:10:32 AM »

I would have to say "YES" but only if it originally came that way.
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« Reply #105 on: July 22, 2009, 08:02:26 AM »

Once again, vinyl tops were a "thing" back in the day, especially with certain colors.  Kinda of like roof racks on SUVs today.  Yes, it is all about the "look".  It always has been in cars.  Grin

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« Reply #106 on: October 02, 2010, 08:22:24 PM »

I'd like to see the new camaro w/vinyl top and the RS/SS or the RS w/hidden headlights.  Do you think this will ever happen?
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« Reply #107 on: October 03, 2010, 12:20:38 AM »

My car is original hugger orange with white stripes/interior and with vinyl top. Someone removed the top long ago but as soon as I get a shop built its getting re painted and the top is going back on.
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« Reply #108 on: October 03, 2010, 09:57:55 AM »

My 67 came with one originally and it will be put back on it when I restore it. Nantucket Blue, Black top, White stripes orignally. Kind of wish the stripes and top were the same color.
Yes why aren't they the same color, who would order a car like that, obviously you would have ordered it with same color stripe and vinyl, me too
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« Reply #109 on: October 03, 2010, 10:04:46 AM »

Here is my green L89 with a green vinyl top...

Beautiful car, here is my frost green with green vinyl top for comparison

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« Reply #110 on: October 06, 2010, 12:43:00 PM »

I'd like to see the new camaro w/vinyl top and the RS/SS or the RS w/hidden headlights.  Do you think this will ever happen?

Vinyl top,  probably not.
hidden headlights, maybe after a design change.
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« Reply #111 on: October 06, 2010, 01:03:39 PM »

My 67 came with one originally and it will be put back on it when I restore it. Nantucket Blue, Black top, White stripes orignally. Kind of wish the stripes and top were the same color.
Yes why aren't they the same color, who would order a car like that, obviously you would have ordered it with same color stripe and vinyl, me too

Nantucket blue came with white stripes and in 67 the other vinyl color was fawn beige.
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« Reply #112 on: October 07, 2010, 11:38:45 AM »

Wow...this thread, started march 10 2006 by Lakeholme, 8 pages of replys, over 19,000 views and still going strong!!  Shocked  Smiley

btw, don't mind that frost green 69 - nice color!
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« Reply #113 on: October 09, 2010, 10:24:24 AM »

When we started, I thought the poll would be the biggest part. Then I was trying for a hundred votes -10% of forum at the time. Now  the forum has over three thousand,,. Oh well.... guess we're not big on polls....
In the meantime this thing takes on a life of its own.
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« Reply #114 on: February 27, 2011, 01:38:11 AM »

I like the Vinyl tops on 67 and 68, but 69 it looks like a toupe, not so cool.
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« Reply #115 on: February 27, 2011, 10:51:38 AM »

Seems like you don't see that many cars with vinyl tops these days. I think alot have been removed and not been put back because of cost or they just didn't like the look. Is there any figures out there as to how many cars came from the factory with vinyl tops?

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« Reply #116 on: February 27, 2011, 12:50:51 PM »

Is there any figures out there as to how many cars came from the factory with vinyl tops?

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Yup. 52,455 in '67, 77,065 in '68, and 100,802 in '69.
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« Reply #117 on: February 27, 2011, 02:40:34 PM »

Well I don't prefer the 69 Camaro with one, but I did put one back on my 66 Impala SS, just depends on the car.
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« Reply #118 on: February 27, 2011, 03:03:42 PM »

Looks good Phil, it looks nice with the yellow.
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« Reply #119 on: February 27, 2011, 09:54:55 PM »

I like the tops on some colors but I never liked them on 69. The body color on the drip rail leading to the trim with the vinyl edge is way too busy of a design detail to compliment the rest of the body. I like the designs of the 68 and 67. The 69 design makes it look like its going bald to me.

I have been thnking of putting the top back on my 68 as it should have it. I am on the fence though.
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« Reply #120 on: February 27, 2011, 10:16:34 PM »

All for 69 toupee's...
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« Reply #121 on: February 27, 2011, 10:45:29 PM »

Final result, yes with black vinyl top... gotta have it with butternut!



And you can't say no to Phillips great color combo...this would look great on any year, including 69. Although I think all V-tops look good on 69's.

Only one problem...that garage is way too clean!
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« Reply #122 on: February 27, 2011, 10:50:08 PM »

Yeah. That looks awesome. Especially with the black stripe accent.
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« Reply #123 on: February 28, 2011, 01:31:42 AM »

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 post a pic of the car if you can, 68 was a good year to do the vinyl I agree since it ran all the way out to the drip rail.
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« Reply #124 on: March 01, 2011, 05:15:09 PM »

I would love to know the story behind the 69 design for vinyl.

Marty,  I showed my wife your comment about our clean garage, and she is still laughing!   Roll Eyes

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« Reply #125 on: March 01, 2011, 05:55:44 PM »

And to think I almost mentioned the color coordinated chairs...Whew...glad I didn't... Grin

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« Reply #126 on: March 02, 2011, 09:03:48 PM »

I like the tops on some colors but I never liked them on 69. The body color on the drip rail leading to the trim with the vinyl edge is way too busy of a design detail to compliment the rest of the body. I like the designs of the 68 and 67. The 69 design makes it look like its going bald to me.

I have been thnking of putting the top back on my 68 as it should have it. I am on the fence though.

Love it on the 67-8.  Just don't understand why they did that to the 69.  So if I had a 67-8 I would love the vinyl roof.  If I had a 69, I'd give it a hair cut!
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« Reply #127 on: March 05, 2011, 10:07:40 AM »

Back to 69 design question. When you look at the figures John posted above, vinyl was popular in 69, even with the design change.  In fact the numbers show vinyl was in and convertibles were on the way out! My, my, how opinions change over the years. Go back to 2006 in this thread where there is discussion about the 69 design.
BTW, didn't the vinyl come back to the driprail in 70?
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« Reply #128 on: March 05, 2011, 10:47:39 AM »

Its difficult to get unbiased opionions to questions like these. Chances are pretty good if you have a 67 or 68 with a V-Top you are going to say you like it. Same holds true for the '69. Bottom line is that we are all very protective of our rides and our answers usually reflect this.

Pretty sure you are correct on the 70.
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« Reply #129 on: March 07, 2011, 04:56:05 PM »

Actually I like the 69 v top better. Mine had the top and I will someday put it back.
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« Reply #130 on: March 07, 2011, 04:59:30 PM »

well lets see some pics of your car Tom with or without the top.
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« Reply #131 on: March 07, 2011, 05:25:46 PM »

well lets see some pics of your car Tom with or without the top.

Not really sure if it matters...does it?  Bottom line is what the owner of the car is comfortable with. That's the only opinion that really matters...isn't it? I personally like all V-Tops but I like the '69 V-Top even more. Not just because I own a car that has one but because I think it has a much more refined appearance, and the separation you speak of also decreases the damage caused by moisture.

In addition, as John pointed out, almost half of all '69's came with vinyl tops {100,602}. The price tag was pretty hefty in those days...$84.30. So obviously there was a large percentage of '69 Camaro owners who also agreed with the look.   
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« Reply #132 on: March 07, 2011, 05:28:02 PM »

not persecuting anyone here just wanted to see a pic of his car. Is that ok???
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« Reply #133 on: March 07, 2011, 05:51:26 PM »

I'd rather not go there with you B-65...If you'd like feel free to PM me... Smiley

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Here is mine as requested earlier. As I said, I am not sure about the top. It is suposed to have one but I really like the sail panels without it.

Design trends and exposure to influencers alter perception of value heavily. Different age groups are attracted to products due to trends that are not always prevalent to those in other groups. The debate will always be a personal one.
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« Reply #135 on: March 07, 2011, 08:00:45 PM »

Here is the car that convinced me I want the vinyl back on. Mine is apart, and time and money are scarce. It will remain apart for some time. Just a 307 glide, nothing special.
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« Reply #136 on: March 08, 2011, 01:02:52 AM »

I like the pic man. The black and the white look classy. Of corse the owner should do what makes him happy, but some colors lend themselves to the vinyl top more than others I think.
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Here is mine as requested earlier. As I said, I am not sure about the top. It is suposed to have one but I really like the sail panels without it.

Design trends and exposure to influencers alter perception of value heavily. Different age groups are attracted to products due to trends that are not always prevalent to those in other groups. The debate will always be a personal one.
Beautiful car, and I would agree about the look.  You nailed it when it comes to design attitudes in passing generations.
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« Reply #138 on: March 08, 2011, 09:15:10 AM »

Is that your 69's color combo Tom? If it is...very nice. Be proud of the 307. It's considered a mile stone SB IMO because it replaced the 327 in 69. I imagine a lot of them were modified so to have a survivor is very cool!
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« Reply #139 on: March 09, 2011, 07:50:50 PM »

Yes that my color, trim tag shows a black vinyl top. Black & white interior as well. With the style trim I should also have black out on the rockers, and I plan to add the DX-1 stripe in black because I like it. I am fine with the 307, even though many consider it a boat anchor candidate. Not so sure about the powerglide, I'm thinking of a modern overdrive, with a locking converter. Good news is I'm working again! Not the money I used to get but still money. There is renewed hope for my plainish jane.
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« Reply #140 on: March 10, 2011, 12:05:15 AM »

You could always shelf the original drivetrain, and put in something fun for now. May cost you a little more, but I figure you realize that if your thinking about switching transmissions.
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« Reply #141 on: March 10, 2011, 07:14:50 PM »

Actually I've picked up a tpi setup from an 87 trans am that will bolt on my 307, and should perk it up enough for my enjoyment.
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« Reply #142 on: March 10, 2011, 07:23:26 PM »

look forward to you posting some pics as you get it further along
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« Reply #143 on: March 13, 2011, 09:44:21 AM »

Yes, more pics... and more voting....

Several of the early pics and url postings no longer work, especially from Photobucket.  It would be great if the original poster cound check on those....
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« Reply #144 on: March 13, 2011, 12:52:19 PM »

That's why I prefer to post the smaller images here.  They don't disappear if something happens to the linked photo site or account.
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« Reply #145 on: March 18, 2011, 08:26:11 AM »

Good point!
And with hindsight I should have documented them myself.  Too late now, some of the early posters haven't been on the site since 2006.
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« Reply #146 on: December 06, 2012, 06:27:45 PM »

If you have a First Gen with a vinyl top, how about posting a picture here...
BTW, poll is open...
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« Reply #147 on: December 06, 2012, 07:01:17 PM »

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« Reply #148 on: December 06, 2012, 07:37:46 PM »

Here is mine with the white vinyl.
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« Reply #149 on: December 06, 2012, 09:21:44 PM »

I wish my car had a vinyl top! I especially like the look of the 69's; like they're floating.
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« Reply #150 on: December 07, 2012, 03:59:43 PM »

Nice cars!  Keep them coming...
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« Reply #151 on: December 11, 2012, 06:13:44 PM »

Nice cars!  Keep them coming...
And keep voting...
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« Reply #152 on: December 12, 2012, 12:21:28 AM »

YES.

Pic attached. What I wanted to show in this pic is how well the Top chrome (Stainless) trim flows into the belt reveal at the top of the door when viewed from the rear.
Nice feature with the 68's so equipped.

( Yes I race my numbers matching factory born with drive train for 10 years now at our local track on street tire friday night drags Smiley

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« Reply #153 on: December 12, 2012, 09:23:43 AM »

Jim,
Great looking car!  Great looking event... Where (and what) is it?
And spot on observation about how the belt reveal, trim, and vinyl top (especially black) come together for a great look (line) in your 68 (and others so equipped).

Mo,
Interesting comment on the "floating" look of 69 vinyl tops.  Wonder if that's what the designers were after when they made that change in the look of the top?

Keep the pics and comments coming...
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« Reply #154 on: December 13, 2012, 01:46:54 PM »

Phillip,
 I'll send you pictures if you can post them.
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« Reply #155 on: December 13, 2012, 02:08:55 PM »

Parchment top on my 69 RS.  Really sets it off with the white sticks/interior on Rallye Green.

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« Reply #156 on: December 13, 2012, 02:50:29 PM »

Phillip,
 I'll send you pictures if you can post them.
   Victor
Okay. PM sent.
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« Reply #157 on: December 13, 2012, 03:02:01 PM »

69camcon,
Welcome!  Great looking car!
Mo's comment about the floating look of a 69 has me looking at the 69 tops in a different way.
Could you post a side and back view of your 69?
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« Reply #158 on: December 13, 2012, 06:24:25 PM »

69camcon,
Welcome!  Great looking car!
Mo's comment about the floating look of a 69 has me looking at the 69 tops in a different way.
Could you post a side and back view of your 69?

Thanks for the welcome, been reading on here & on some other boards, had to chime in with the Vinyl as I'm a big fan.  Here's some more pics for you. 



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« Reply #159 on: December 13, 2012, 10:11:56 PM »

Great, thanks. The 69 vinyl look does have a unique flow.
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« Reply #160 on: December 14, 2012, 03:40:33 PM »

Phillip,
 E-mail returned. Thank you.
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« Reply #161 on: December 14, 2012, 04:23:53 PM »

Victor's 68 Camaro
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« Reply #162 on: December 14, 2012, 04:30:14 PM »

# 2 (Victor, I did not post the pic with you and your friend in it. Didn't think I should post someone's picture online without permission.)
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« Reply #163 on: December 14, 2012, 04:39:53 PM »

# 3 So, Victor, tell us something about it....
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« Reply #164 on: December 14, 2012, 05:40:02 PM »

Phillip,
 Thanks again. Its almost all finished after a re-paint a couple of years ago, still lacking proper starter and distributor.
 ( I likely changed the originals out myself in the early Eightys)  All original "born with" Drive train. 396 M-21,   Standard black interior, gauges. I love vinyl tops!
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« Reply #165 on: December 14, 2012, 06:49:59 PM »

Big fan of the vinyl roof. I know it's a psuedo convertible thing, and psuedo things I normally dislike, but I really like them. Maybe it's nostalgia.  Cool

I love this.. Welcome aboard.  Wink
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« Reply #166 on: December 14, 2012, 09:34:00 PM »

Pseudo Convertible  Wink  Roll Eyes  Huh  Shocked

In 68, vinyl tops outsold convertibles 3 to 1, and by 69 5 to 1.  Convertibles were on their way out (at least in the US)!  Makes them rare and worth something today.
Don't get me wrong, I love convertibles.  I've owned three.   Grin  Grin  Grin

Actually, way back in the 1920s, some car tops had vinyl coverings to make them look like buggy tops. I guess that's where that nasty "compariason" got started. But in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, they were a styling design of their own.
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« Reply #167 on: December 15, 2012, 01:27:56 AM »

Pseudo Convertible  Wink  Roll Eyes  Huh  Shocked

Yep.
See this convertible Deusenberg with the f-style bracket that was actually a component that folded back the roof?


..and then hard tops started faking them with a non-functioning ornament of the same bracket?


..to the point where they were simplified just stuck on a vinyl roof purely as an ornament and didn't even look like a functioning bracket at all?


Vinyl tops were "invented" to look like convertibles.  Wink
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« Reply #168 on: December 15, 2012, 12:33:18 PM »

...What I wanted to show in this pic is how well the Top chrome (Stainless) trim flows into the belt reveal at the top of the door when viewed from the rear.
Nice feature with the 68's so equipped.
Jim

Close up where it comes together...
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