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1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« on: October 08, 2008, 10:57:24 PM »
Hi all. I'm looking for a bit of info for model car detailing.

On the '69 standard grill (non-RS), did ALL of them include the bright trim pieces around the outer edge of the grill? In pictures of non-RS SS cars, the trim stands out clearly against the black grill, but it's hard to tell if it's there in pictures of argent-colored grills. I also don't know if this trim was part of the Z21 Style Trim group along with the headlight trim. (?) I've dug through all the books and magazines I have with '69 Camaros, and it seems that the few pictures of non-RS SS cars all have the Style Trim.

So, would a standard-grill car (plain, COPO or SS) have the grill trim if the car did not have the Style Trim?

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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2008, 04:43:00 PM »
All non-RS grilles arrived at the plant with the bright surround molding already installed; the plant masked off the molding and the portion of the grille inboard of the molding and painted the outer portion body color.
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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2008, 08:42:44 PM »
Thanks, John! Very helpful.

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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2009, 11:20:25 AM »
All non-RS grilles arrived at the plant with the bright surround molding already installed; the plant masked off the molding and the portion of the grille inboard of the molding and painted the outer portion body color.

Hey John, was this on ALL silver grills? I see so many 69s with grills that are completely silver with no body color at all. Are they incorrect?
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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2009, 04:02:50 PM »
All non-RS grilles arrived at the plant with the bright surround molding already installed; the plant masked off the molding and the portion of the grille inboard of the molding and painted the outer portion body color.

Hey John, was this on ALL silver grills? I see so many 69s with grills that are completely silver with no body color at all. Are they incorrect?
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Yes, they're incorrect - most likely service replacements (which came all silver) where the owner didn't bother to mask and paint body color outboard of the bright moldings.

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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2009, 07:43:48 PM »
Thanks.. :)
Wow, there's a lot of fussy, high dollar, concourse restos that overlooked that one.

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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2009, 10:50:46 PM »
Thanks.. :)
Wow, there's a lot of fussy, high dollar, concourse restos that overlooked that one.

Yes there is.
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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2009, 06:41:07 PM »
What decided the application of black or silver/argent grills?
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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2009, 07:00:23 PM »
Cool, Thanks, I knew it was in there somewhere, missed it the first time thru...

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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2009, 03:22:19 AM »
You could also check this thread: http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=4185.0
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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2009, 11:00:44 AM »
Jepp, gone through all that myself and here is another pic of the result!  :P

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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2009, 11:38:17 AM »
Lookin' good Hakan.
Real nice. ;)

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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2009, 02:05:01 PM »
Lookin' good Hakan.
Real nice. ;)

Thanx! :D
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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2009, 04:46:09 PM »
Very nice ride Hakan!
It's refreshing to see one with steel wheels, body color paint and dog dish caps.
Too many rally wheels and SS mags floating around for my taste. I'm an "old timer" who remembers that "back in the day" most of the Camaros came with wheel covers or hub caps.

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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2009, 07:51:41 PM »
Very nice ride Hakan!
It's refreshing to see one with steel wheels, body color paint and dog dish caps.
Too many rally wheels and SS mags floating around for my taste. I'm an "old timer" who remembers that "back in the day" most of the Camaros came with wheel covers or hub caps.

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Thanx Al, I´m glad to hear that and it´s exactly my point too!
I´ve been there with my 18" bling bling wheels but I think theese look much better. I get a lot more response from people with theese wheels set as well. I think this old school COPO-look attracts the eye more! I don´t want toto have a car that looks like all other 69:ers! :)

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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2009, 08:53:53 PM »
Love the dog-dishes.. I have rallies (who hasn't) and the dog-dishes are a refreshing change.
Not only an original wheel and cap, but after all the >20" bling of late, and original look again too.

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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2009, 07:32:55 AM »
All non-RS grilles arrived at the plant with the bright surround molding already installed; the plant masked off the molding and the portion of the grille inboard of the molding and painted the outer portion body color.

Another question regarding this.. Was the body color around the grill also a full gloss using exactly the same body paint? ..or did it have flattener in it for a satin finish?
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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2009, 07:53:07 AM »
All non-RS grilles arrived at the plant with the bright surround molding already installed; the plant masked off the molding and the portion of the grille inboard of the molding and painted the outer portion body color.

Another question regarding this.. Was the body color around the grill also a full gloss using exactly the same body paint? ..or did it have flattener in it for a satin finish?
Thanks.

My were painted full gloss like the rest of the car and I doubt it would be different from the factory?! I think it would look strange with it in satin!

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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2009, 02:18:40 PM »
All non-RS grilles arrived at the plant with the bright surround molding already installed; the plant masked off the molding and the portion of the grille inboard of the molding and painted the outer portion body color.

Another question regarding this.. Was the body color around the grill also a full gloss using exactly the same body paint? ..or did it have flattener in it for a satin finish?
Thanks.

The body color on the grille surround was full gloss, but it wasn't the same paint used on the sheet metal - the grille was painted separately in a low-bake (150*F) paint system with a low-temp bake lacquer formulation, as the plastic grille wouldn't survive the 325*F oven temperatures used for the front sheet metal.

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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2009, 10:21:04 PM »
Wow, I didn't know baking was done as high as 325°F..

Full gloss.  ;) Thanks.

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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2009, 08:57:39 PM »
What color was the plastic on an assembly line 69 (non-RS)grill before it was painted silver???

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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2009, 02:39:53 PM »
What color was the plastic on an assembly line 69 (non-RS)grill before it was painted silver???

It was molded from light gray plastic.

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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2009, 08:50:37 PM »
Thanks John.Would it have a part #on it????I am trying to find out the difference between the repos,the later over the counter GM,and assembly line installed ones.

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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2009, 02:34:22 PM »
Thanks John.Would it have a part #on it????I am trying to find out the difference between the repos,the later over the counter GM,and assembly line installed ones.

I'm sure there's a part number molded somewhere on the back side, but mine's original, has never been out of the car, and I'm not going to remove it. I'm pretty sure the later service part and the reproduction all came out of the same GM mold - it would be incredibly costly to duplicate that huge injection mold just for reproduction parts volume.

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Re: 1969 standard (non-RS) grill trim
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2009, 04:23:52 PM »
Thanks John.I have a gray one and a tan colored one.I did not see a part # on either one.