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trogdor
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« on: August 23, 2008, 10:15:17 AM »

Hello everybody!

My cousin bought a 1967 camaro about 15 years ago and has stored it in his garage the last 10 or so. His wife wants to sell it, but I'm trying to convince him to keep it to rebuild when his toddlers get older.

Anyway, he never bothered to decode the trim code, so I thought I'd give it a chance. And I am completely flumoxed. None of the numbers have matched up to anything.

I wish I could take a picture and post it, but his family is on vacation and I don't know where his camera is (I'm house-sitting). I will try and get a picture later. Here's what I have:

                                                            General Motors Corporation
                                      13            05C
                         ST                  67-22367        LOR28318      BODY
                         TR              260-Z                    H-H             PAINT
                                         W 2WG 
                                                             BODY BY FISCHER

The VIN was at some point removed from the inside front of the drivers door jamb. There is instead a California reissue stamped towards the rear of the door jamb, but this also has a gash through it. The numbers are: 22_ _ 77U143639 (The dashes are the numbers I cannot read, but kind of resemble a C and a 3) and then there's some kind of control number under it.


So right off the bat, I noticed it doesn't say "Built to current standards...etc" underneath the General Motors Corp part. Another thing I noticed is that after the 67 the number starts with a 2 (22637). And, finally, LOR. What, half the car was built in LA and the other half in Norwood?!?

All this info is correct and lifted directly from the tags. I can assure you I have quadruple checked the numbers before posting.

Any info would be helpful. I am hoping to learn some new info on it, that'll maybe fire something up inside of him and keep him from selling it. We used to work in an old-school rewind-the-pump-by-hand-after-every-sale gas station when we were younger here in the bay area. He bought this from Mr. Camaro out in Fairfield, CA when he was 18 and I was 12. We had to tow it to the station and the owner was cool in letting us roll it into the garage to work on it. We never got to the body, 'cause hell, it took us 2 years to rebuild the drive train alone. Anyway, we have a lot of memories of working on it and the car itself is a running joke in the family and I just can't let him sell it.

Thanks for any assistance in advance!
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2008, 10:26:44 AM »

Look for the stamped vins under the cowl and behind the heater box.  It sounds to me like it is a firebird as for the body number starting with a 2.
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2008, 10:38:48 AM »

Hi Russ,

Thanks for the reply!

I cant get to either of those two locations since he has so much junk all over his car. It took me about 45 mins to get to the vin and trim tag.

But you bring up a really interesting thing: The rear fascia (panel) is from a firebird. One of our customers had pointed it out to him. I wonder if this car is some kind of 'monster' creation by whomever owned it before my cousin bought it!!! It looks like a 67 camaro, the interior is there as well as the exterior. Everything says camaro except for that panel!  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked

The guy who owned had yellow, purple and green pinstripping along the door that said 'Total Devotion' all over a baby blue paint job. Ya, I know, it definately hurt the eyes! But I wonder if he was so devoted cause he made something unique??? Maybe that's why the guy got a reissued VIN?

I'll try and get to the cowl tag though. Might take me a day or two.

I hope this is some kind of hybrid. he def. won't sell it, since he can't list it completely as either!!  Grin
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2008, 10:55:04 AM »

Ok so I ran the info through a 1967 firebird analyzer thing some guy had set up.

1967 Pontiac Firebird  Coupe  with Custom Trim Option
The paint was Linden Green a Custom Factory Paint (9)
The trim color and material were Parchment Custom Option Vinyl
This car has the Fisher Body Unit Number 28,318 built in the 3rd week of May at the Lordstown, Ohio plant.

Five Group Accessory Codes ( w 2wg ):
1st Group (digit not shown)
     W ....    Soft-ray Tinted Glass (Windshield Only)
2nd Group
     G ....    Console
     W ....    2-spd Automatic Transmission
3rd Group
          No Accessories in this Group (or No Codes Entered)
4th Group
          No Accessories in this Group (or No Codes Entered)
5th Group
          No Accessories in this Group (or No Codes Entered)


Special Note(s):

*Alert* (9) Your Firebird was a specially optioned Firebird which was specially prepared for a car show.


BODY BY FISHER
     05 C
ST    67- 22637    LOR    28318    BODY
TR    260 z       H    PAINT
w 2wg
GENERAL MOTORS CORPORATION CERTIFIES TO THE
DEALER THAT THIS VEHICLE CONFORMS TO ALL
FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARDS
APPLICABLE AT TIME OF MANUFACTURE.

You were right! Looks like it is a 1967 Firebird with maybe Camaro parts everywhere? What a mystery!
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2008, 05:28:44 PM »

Not completly uncommon. The front clip was interchangable, can't remember if the doors had to be swapped to line things up or not. I knew a few who bought a rear ended, and a front ended both cheap, and put the good parts together. Might even explain the reissued vin.
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2008, 06:54:58 PM »

The paint was Linden Green a Custom Factory Paint (9)

Special Note(s):

*Alert* (9) Your Firebird was a specially optioned Firebird which was specially prepared for a car show.
I don't agree with that. Linden Green was a common color and the tag doesn't indicate anything special with the paint.
The good news is the VIN and the tag line up to each other.....
I'd check the hidden VIN's.
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2008, 09:35:58 AM »

This is from firstgenfirebird.com.


 
Q:   Show-1 Paint Code 
  My body tag has "show 1" where the paint codes should be. What does this mean. 
 
A: In regards to your question about a "Show 1" Body Tag, yes I have seen those before on a GTO as well as other makes/models. They are quite rare because they were generally very early production vehicles (but not always). Even to this day, the auto companies produce "SHOW" vehicles early in production. Working in Advance Mfg. at DaimlerChrysler, I see vehicles with these same Body Tags... "SHOW 1", "SHOW 2", etc. Also see: "PILOT" and "SPEC" as well. Generally, these special build vehicles were scheduled during the pre-production phase by Engineering or Styling. A "SHOW" Build is built on the regular Line but is treated special and fit/finish are very usually a little better. Paint is also unique and given an extra shine. As with most pre-production or even some early build vehicles, many were destroyed due to various test requirements. A "SHOW" vehicle would have survived if no other Dept. requested it after it's purpose of "Show" was over. Example: Usually, every fall, the Plants will run a few "SHOW" vehicles for Detroit AutoRama. When the new Grand Cherokee came out in '92, I personally remember seeing (3) "SHOW" vehicles built. All were Red and each had an 'escort' to ensure all trim/exterior parts were show worthy. In addition to the Body Trim Tags stating the vehicles purpose (BTW, at Chrysler, these Tags are temporarily 'wire-tied' to the front lower cross member until mid-way through the Chassis Line). "SHOW" vehicles have special Broadcast Sheets as well as hand-written sheets attached to all sides to let Operators know that this vehicle is to be treated special. To find a "SHOW" 1st Gen. Firebird is indeed a rare thing. Finding the Broadcast Sheet would be an interesting discovery. If I can answer any similar questions, feel free to let me know. 
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2008, 08:48:49 PM »

Hi everybody!

I called my cousin on vacation, but when he got on the phone, I didn't have the heart to tell him that all along his beloved camaro is indeed a firebird!  Undecided  He has only owned Chevy since he bought his first car, I think he might have a heart attack knowing he has the enemy in the garage. lol...

I am eager for his return so we can start taking all the baby crap off of the car so we can get to the VINs Rusty spoke about.

so I've noticed a few things since:

Looking very very closely, I can see where the previous owner(s) used bondo or something similar to cover up the firebird 'slits' in front of the rear wheels. The car is wedged up against the wall where only the drivers side is visibile. Moving it, I'm pretty sure we'd see the same on the other side. Holding a flashlight up to the side of the covered area, I can tell that someone used a good ol' fashioned paint brush to paint over the bondo, since I can see bristle marks on the extreme edges. Whomever did it, obviously wasn't "totally devoted".

The color of the spot under the original vin tag is indeed green. A very very light green. I'm not sure if it's the Linden, but it looks like a shade or two lighter than the pea soup from "The Excorcist"

The entire front clip is from a Camaro. I now recall my cousin and I having issues aligning the front grill with the two new headlights he had purchased and I recall him saying he had trouble installing a front bumper. In the end he never was able to get it on, but we agreed it looked cooler without it. I'm curious as to how many body parts were interchangeable between the Camaro and Firebird

The Rear panel is a Firebird, but the trunk lid is from a Camaro. It even has the cursive camaro plaque in the lower right distinguishing as such!

As for show, about the only thing left that's show quality is the green paint under the VIN tag. LOL. The car is a mess and will require work to get it up to at least daily driver standards. Plus, I'm pretty sure at this point we'll change everything back to a Firebird, which will require more work. Interesting note, I found the registration from the DMV when he had listed it as a Non-op, and surprise, surprise it's listed as a 1967 Camaro.

I wish we had the internet back then. Then at least he would have known what he was buying.

I will still try and post pics up for you guys, so we could all get a good laugh. Thanks for your replies.
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