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« on: August 01, 2008, 03:06:39 PM »

Hi there!
I´m a new member on this forum and I have a quest regarding subject above!
My car is a Hugger orange 1969 X44 model with Houndstooth Deluxe interior. My guess is that the grille is not correct painted.
As I understand it should be Argent silver as the head lamp bezels?! Is that correctly understood?



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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2008, 04:22:30 PM »

Yes, it should be silver.
http://www.camaros.org/exterior.shtml#1969Grille
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2008, 03:38:41 AM »


Thanx for quick anser Kurt! I belive i spoken with you before regarding this matter??
I´ve seen som strange grill color here in Sweden on a Z/28. It looked like only the "top" of the outer mesh were silver and the the rest of the grille were black?!
Correct me if I´m wrong but shouldn´t the complete grille be painted in Argent silver like the headlight bezels?? And what happens with my ceome trim round the grille?
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2008, 09:35:42 AM »

I´ve seen som strange grill color here in Sweden on a Z/28. It looked like only the "top" of the outer mesh were silver and the the rest of the grille were black?!
Correct me if I´m wrong but shouldn´t the complete grille be painted in Argent silver like the headlight bezels?? And what happens with my ceome trim round the grille?

The "egg-crate" portion of the grille should be painted argent silver, matching the headlight bezels; the bright trim around the edge of the "egg-crate" area remains bright. The ring around the headlamp lens on the front of the bezel should also be argent silver, not black as shown in the photo.
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2008, 10:40:18 AM »

The "egg-crate" portion of the grille should be painted argent silver, matching the headlight bezels; the bright trim around the edge of the "egg-crate" area remains bright. The ring around the headlamp lens on the front of the bezel should also be argent silver, not black as shown in the photo.

OK, now I´m lost here!  Shocked
What do you mean with "egg-crate" ?? Can you show a pic of what you mean, please! Is it the mesh pattern you mean?
And it should be painted silver all the way from beginning to end not just the front area?!

...the area a´round the lights I´ve never thought about before, thank you for that information! Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2008, 12:30:27 PM »

  Yes. Egg Crate meaning mesh pattern. Yes. Silver all the way to fender, not just the center. As John stated the bright trim remains bright. My neighbor has an L78 (Code72). If he's around I can get a pic if the car has not been shipped yet.  Scott
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2008, 05:26:23 PM »

  Yes. Egg Crate meaning mesh pattern. Yes. Silver all the way to fender, not just the center. As John stated the bright trim remains bright. My neighbor has an L78 (Code72). If he's around I can get a pic if the car has not been shipped yet.  Scott
That would be helpful, thanx! Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2008, 10:29:06 AM »

  Yes. Egg Crate meaning mesh pattern. Yes. Silver all the way to fender, not just the center.

Nope, only the egg-crate/mesh portion is silver - the surround outboard of the bright molding is body color, as shown in his photo in the first post.

The entire depth of the egg-crate/mesh area is argent silver, not just the front edge.
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2008, 10:51:53 AM »

I was talking about the portion between that and the headlamp bezel. Ithought that would be self-explanitory. Neighbor will be home tonight to get pics of L78 code 72. Where's that new lazer pointer I just bought........Scott
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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2008, 03:29:44 PM »

The entire depth of the egg-crate/mesh area is argent silver, not just the front edge.

There´s my answer!! Now I know how to paint correctly, thank you all for your quick responding!! Cheesy
...and a nice pic of a correctly painted grille, like mine should be, would just sum this topic up! Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2008, 03:51:44 PM »

Now I finally know what you meant when you stated just the front portion. I will always prefer human relations on a closer biological basis. I just need to get photo tonight of my friends old L-78 tonight( low mi. origional rust free tin, 4 sp. deluxe, build sheet, bought 16 years ago 85% done for a low price that makes me sick. On its way to northwest now. Saw the road for 25 miles in all that time.
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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2008, 08:59:44 PM »

 I Stand corrected. I don't know 69's that well. The L-78 I mentioned has a black grille and it's supposed to so the photo I have does you no good. I got an education from the present owner. COPO's got a silver grille too? Didn't know that California cars had no X codes either. Can't believe no one jumped all over my L-78 mistake.
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2008, 03:19:49 AM »

OK, thanx anyway for trying!  Wink
I´ll keep hunting for som COPO pics then!

Edit: Found one!



It shows exactly what we all have been talking about!! Argent silver all the way regarding the mesh and argent silver surrounding the headlight as well!  Cool
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2008, 06:05:08 AM »

Here is a photo I took this year at Carlisle.
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2008, 06:48:58 AM »

Here is a photo I took this year at Carlisle.

Nice pic! Spank you!  Tongue
...but shouldn´t the ring around the headlamp lense alsot be painted in argent silver ?? See my pic of the COPO above!
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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2008, 09:30:22 AM »

There were 4 headlamp bezels:

all silver no chrome trim [non-style trim cars]
all silver w/chrome trim [style trim cars]
all black no chrome trim [non-style trim SS cars]
all black w/chrome trim [style trim SS cars]
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« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2008, 10:29:34 AM »

 Here's another COPO silver grille. Neighbor had center only. Silver was on base models too, Right?(Black,COPO and RS being the exception?)
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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2008, 10:37:16 AM »

There was nothing special about a COPO car's non-RS grille - they used the same base grille (argent silver) as a six-cylinder grocery-getter.
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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2008, 01:17:39 PM »

 Thank you. That is now my understanding. That there is nothing different from a base model grille or a COPO Grille. I know COPO's just a drivetrain preference. I just posted the pic for additional reference for the guy re-painting his grill. That grill could have been for a base model as well. Fortunately,I have a neighbor who deals in COPO's and has a greater understanding of these matters like the members on the CRG board.
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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2008, 03:18:44 PM »

There was nothing special about a COPO car's non-RS grille - they used the same base grille (argent silver) as a six-cylinder grocery-getter.
A base model is a base model independent of engine, huh?! Kurt showed the table explaining this earlier in this topic!

                 Grille Color
   Model         non-RS |   RS
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   SS            black* | black*
   Z28           silver | black*
   All else**    silver | black*
   --------------------------------
   * except Tuxedo Black exterior, which
     all received silver grilles
   ** incl COPO

I´m going to repaint my grille in argent silver partly due to the fact that it were the right way for my "plane Jane" from Norwwod and partly because I think it look better also!  Cool

Once again I bow for the impressive facts that one can find in this eminent forum, thank you all I´m a happy man now!  Cheesy

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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2008, 07:00:05 AM »

There were 4 headlamp bezels:

all silver no chrome trim [non-style trim cars]
all silver w/chrome trim [style trim cars]
all black no chrome trim [non-style trim SS cars]
all black w/chrome trim [style trim SS cars]

Where did you find this table??   Huh

i almost never seen a 69 Camaro with all black headlamp bezel!!   Shocked
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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2009, 04:28:39 PM »

Does anybody have a pic of all black bezels?? I´ve never seen any!!  Huh

As i understand so a SS-car should have black grill mesh and black head lamp bezels, correct?!  Undecided
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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2009, 03:36:19 PM »

As i understand so a SS-car should have black grill mesh and black head lamp bezels, correct?!  Undecided

That's correct (unless it's a black car - then it gets silver). If it has Z21 Style Trim, the bezels have a bright ring; if not, no bright ring.
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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2009, 05:17:12 AM »

As i understand so a SS-car should have black grill mesh and black head lamp bezels, correct?!  Undecided

That's correct (unless it's a black car - then it gets silver). If it has Z21 Style Trim, the bezels have a bright ring; if not, no bright ring.
Thanx John, just as I thought!
...but does anybody has any pics of this combo, I´ve never seen any!! Even in the pics of an "original" 69 in the beginning of this site you sometimes see a black SS-grille with argent bezelz.... Wink
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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2009, 09:13:54 AM »


The "egg-crate" portion of the grille should be painted argent silver, matching the headlight bezels; the bright trim around the edge of the "egg-crate" area remains bright. The ring around the headlamp lens on the front of the bezel should also be argent silver, not black as shown in the photo.

Wow, this one got me a little lost here too!  OK, for a non SS hugger orange car, the egg-crate and headlight bezels are argent, check!  knew that.  But the John's statement about the little black ring between the chrome and the headlight has me stumped.  On a non SS/RS HO car the painted part of the chrome style trim ring is supposed to be argent and match the grill???  Makes sense to me, but I have never seen one that way.  John, can you confirm?  Thanks
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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2009, 10:23:35 AM »

But the John's statement about the little black ring between the chrome and the headlight has me stumped.  On a non SS/RS HO car the painted part of the chrome style trim ring is supposed to be argent and match the grill???  Makes sense to me, but I have never seen one that way.  John, can you confirm?  Thanks


A non-SS Hugger Orange car gets a silver grille egg-crate and silver headlight bezels; if it's an SS, it gets a black grille egg-crate and black headlight bezels. In either case, if it has Z21 Style Trim, the bezels get a chrome ring; if it doesn't have Z21, it doesn't get a chrome ring. The bezel color always matches the grille egg-crate color.
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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2009, 12:14:30 PM »

Yes John, but I think he´s talking about the crome ring, is it black or argent together with the crome?? I´ve just painted mine argent!  Embarrassed
Here is the pic I referred to before:

http://www.camaros.org/images/pages/cars/2009-01/69SS-Jan09-BruceOirear-Full.jpg
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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2009, 12:30:01 PM »

John, I might be confused, but I am talking about just the chrome ring.  There is a little bit of black painted on the chrome closest to the headlight.  Should that match the grill paint too?  I have only seen this in black.  thanks
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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2009, 08:52:47 PM »

According to the chart, SS cars got the bright headlight trim ring whether Z21 or not (kinda like the 1/4 gills?) :

http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#XnnCodes

There's an unrestored X66 locally that has the bright headlight and vertical taillight trim, but that's all I have to go by personally.
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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2009, 01:15:50 PM »

John, I might be confused, but I am talking about just the chrome ring.  There is a little bit of black painted on the chrome closest to the headlight.  Should that match the grill paint too?  I have only seen this in black.  thanks

My original 02D Z/28 (X33 - with Z21) has the silver grille and bezels, and a narrow black ring painted between the bright ring on the bezel and the headlamp.
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« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2009, 02:45:41 PM »

My original 02D Z/28 (X33 - with Z21) has the silver grille and bezels, and a narrow black ring painted between the bright ring on the bezel and the headlamp.

So it´s supposed to be black then!! Oops, I´ve just painted that part Argent as well! Sad
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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2009, 03:13:24 PM »

My original 02D Z/28 (X33 - with Z21) has the silver grille and bezels, and a narrow black ring painted between the bright ring on the bezel and the headlamp.

Thanks John, that is what I remembered, Weewh! I though I was losing it.
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« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2009, 04:08:29 AM »

After spending week after week in the paint shop I finally got the grille back to my garage so I could start remounting it!

First I had to add the center bowtie enblem and the polished moldings:
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Here it´s a prefit of the grille:
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Now was the right time to put som new fresch buchings and screws from NPD in place:
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Here is the grille and front bvumper in place after hours od adjustments.
I also took the front spoiler of just for testing and I kind of like the new clean apparence! Smiley
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I gotta take the HUgger for its first ride this year and this is the final result outside the garage:
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« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2009, 05:44:32 AM »

looks great Hakan!
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« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2009, 08:43:46 AM »

Thanx Kewin!  Smiley
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« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2009, 06:10:49 PM »

After spending week after week in the paint shop I finally got the grille back to my garage so I could start remounting it!

First I had to add the center bowtie enblem and the polished moldings:
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Here it´s a prefit of the grille:
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Here is the grille and front bvumper in place after hours od adjustments.
I also took the front spoiler of just for testing and I kind of like the new clean apparence! Smiley
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Hakan, your grille looks amazing!  What paint code did you end up using?
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« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2009, 07:52:06 AM »

I checked with my painter today and he said it was Standox Argent Silver but he didn´t remeber any code, sorry!  Embarrassed
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« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2009, 08:01:13 AM »

Argent is PPG code DQE 8568
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« Reply #38 on: December 21, 2009, 08:56:05 PM »

If you want to rattle can the grille, use Krylon #1403, dull aluminum.  It's right on the money.  Actually the best match that I've seen. 

How come that beautiful Hugger orange Camaro in the photos here has 1970 Firestone tires?

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« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2009, 04:30:09 AM »

If you want to rattle can the grille, use Krylon #1403, dull aluminum.  It's right on the money.  Actually the best match that I've seen. 

How come that beautiful Hugger orange Camaro in the photos here has 1970 Firestone tires?

Jerry

Thanx!
I´m not that ortodox that I use tire from the right year! I guess they had to change tire during the years too, when tey used a 69 Camaro during the 70:ies, don´t you! Smiley

...but I´m going to change to a set of Polyglass but for another reason......! Cheesy
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« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2010, 05:34:02 AM »

If you want to rattle can the grille, use Krylon #1403, dull aluminum.  It's right on the money.  Actually the best match that I've seen. 


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I agree, that is what I used on my grill!
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