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« on: May 22, 2008, 08:44:23 PM »

I ran across this Norwood built 69Z at the Mecum Muscle Car Auction, held in Indy on 5/14- 5/18.  It was a nice car but it had some unusual inspection paint marks that I have never seen and question. Are these correct?

Also, were the heads ever marked "DZ" as shown below?
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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2008, 08:51:33 PM »

One other unusual stamp I question.  This "OK Final Test" stamp was on the radiator and various other components.  I've seen similar stamps on other name brands but never on a Camaro.  I have never seen this stamp on any survivor 1st Gen's.

Your opinions?
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2008, 09:37:42 AM »

Those are what I like to call "restoration graffiti", added by restorers who seem to think every part had a paint daub or grease-pencil mark on it (they didn't). The "OK Final Test" stamp belongs on an A/C compressor - that's the only place they were used.
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2008, 11:17:33 AM »

Those are what I like to call "restoration graffiti", added by restorers who seem to think every part had a paint daub or grease-pencil mark on it (they didn't). The "OK Final Test" stamp belongs on an A/C compressor - that's the only place they were used.
"restoration graffiti", - ROTFLMAO I really like that!
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2008, 06:55:28 PM »

first time you washed your car that stuff was gone.  as a former chevrolet dealer i know this as fact.
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2008, 05:16:15 PM »

I love the term Restoration Graffiti... that is awesome... register and trade mark it John.

Sir I am going to have to ask you to put down the grease pencil and step away from the Camaro.

Just say no to Restoration Graffiti.
Shirts... bumper stickers...
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2008, 10:39:29 PM »

I like the "restoration graffiti" term, even though Ive been accused of it before.

I document all that I find, and replicate those only.  You can tell when someone gets ummm... "creative" with the dabs, etc. like with the car pic'd above.
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2008, 07:25:32 AM »

Expect to see more graffiti. A while back one of the mags had an article on the "Rosetta stone of Camaros" this car had inspection marks on everything, and the owner claims they are all exact reproductions of the original marks. Kind of implies that if you don't have these marks - your Camaro is not as good as his. The restoration was so perfect they even had the ford "caution fan" sticker on the fan shroud. Perception unfortunately can bend reality.

Tom
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2008, 10:02:48 AM »

Alot of engines were marked on the front of the head. Not sure about DZ, but I have a very original 67 327 in my garage with the 2 letter code on the head. When I did my resto, alot of these markings survived. My front sway bar had the light blue paint daub on it. I have pics of it.
My original front rotors had yelow ink julian date stamps on them. You would be amazed at what survives.
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2008, 01:55:41 PM »

Is there any chemical that will take off a layer of spray paint? I can partially see the B marking on the firewall, and would like to salvage it the best I can.
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2008, 10:40:29 PM »

first time you washed your car that stuff was gone.  as a former chevrolet dealer i know this as fact.

I would counter that when I cleaned up the front end and rear end on my 1968 ssrs 396/325 80K mile car I found that years of grease, road dirt, oil and dealer undercoating preserved tons of Factory (VN) applied graffiti.

Interesting Examples found:
Green dabs on rear axle centers.
Yellow dabs on the front disk brake wheel stud ends
White and Orange on the spindles.
Yellow on the tie rod sleeves
Large orange dab on the rear axel center housing
Drive line stripes
Etc..

Now do not get me wrong,,, I have made a TON of mistakes on my car over the years and am slow to correct.
I do enjoy the details!

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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2008, 06:06:23 AM »

Chris,
On the black 69 RS/Z I used enamel reducer to remove the black bug bomb someone used to "touch up" under the hood. The enamel reducer will not hurt the original paint on the firewall or inner fenders but it may not be so kind to the B on the firewall, you may want ot mask off where the B is, clean the rest thoroughly and then go back to work on the B much slower.
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Check out the Black 69 RS/Z28 45k mile Survivor and the Lemans Blue 69 Z 10D frame off...
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2008, 09:28:37 AM »

first time you washed your car that stuff was gone.  as a former chevrolet dealer i know this as fact.

I would counter that when I cleaned up the front end and rear end on my 1968 ssrs 396/325 80K mile car I found that years of grease, road dirt, oil and dealer undercoating preserved tons of Factory (VN) applied graffiti.

Interesting Examples found:
Green dabs on rear axle centers.
Yellow dabs on the front disk brake wheel stud ends
White and Orange on the spindles.
Yellow on the tie rod sleeves
Large orange dab on the rear axel center housing
Drive line stripes
Etc..

Now do not get me wrong,,, I have made a TON of mistakes on my car over the years and am slow to correct.
I do enjoy the details!

Jim

Most of those markings were applied at the component manufacturing plants, not at the car assembly plant. 3 or 4 cars were selected each day for the off-line Quality Audit, which included torque checks on critical fasteners; that's where the yellow marks came from on the end of the lug studs and on the tie rod sleeves. No paint daubs were applied to anything as the car came down the line at the car assembly plants in the 60's.
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2008, 12:44:12 PM »

I found some paint marks on my 69 Z/28 when I was taking it apart also. Yellow and White on the rotors. Orange on the calipers, and yellow and white on the centerlink and idler arm. This car has never been apart that I can see.

Mike
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2008, 06:45:15 PM »

I found the P T B and an additional T under the trim tag
I have see pics of restored markings with different colors, Is there any color code for the letters?
All four of mine are orange
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Chris
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« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2008, 08:48:48 PM »

Your responses are what I was expecting.  There were way too many inspection marks on this car; however, from time-to-time, I run across something new and obscure and wanted to ask.

Thanks Everyone.
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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2008, 04:16:54 PM »

Expect to see more graffiti. A while back one of the mags had an article on the "Rosetta stone of Camaros" this car had inspection marks on everything, and the owner claims they are all exact reproductions of the original marks. Kind of implies that if you don't have these marks - your Camaro is not as good as his. The restoration was so perfect they even had the ford "caution fan" sticker on the fan shroud. Perception unfortunately can bend reality.

Tom

I saw that one, amazing!  The caution fan sticker tends to make you question the whole restoration (and restorer).
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