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« on: March 29, 2008, 09:46:07 AM »

I would like your opinions on this cowl tag. I was interested in this L78 project until I saw the tag. I have told the guy that I believe the tag to be fake but he insists the tag is real and that the car has been in long time storage and is original. The rivets look wrong to me as well. Your opinions would be appreciated. Maybe I am missing something but the tag looks blatently fake to me. 
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2008, 10:36:49 AM »

I see a couple problem areas; the "weathering" makes it difficult.
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2008, 01:43:23 PM »

I agree that the rivets look weird.
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2008, 02:23:06 PM »

I personally inspect original muscle cars and that tag is the real deal,no doubt in my mind
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2008, 04:22:13 PM »

I saw the car on ebay as well...
Located in Long Island... says it was a street racer back in the day... maybe it is from Motion?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBTOX%3AIT&viewitem=&item=230235188989&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2008, 04:48:31 PM »

Hey, what's that "thingy" mounted on the front of the radiator support?  Also, I do see the orange around the jams & sill plates but why is the floor all red?  If it was originally a hugger orange car, shouldn't it have orange overspray in there?  Don't think they would have missed the jambs but got red all over the floor when it was re-painted.  Just thought it may be a clue to lead you to believe the tag was a fake.
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2008, 05:19:08 PM »

If I could look at the car in person I could tell if it's real BB or not. All it would take is to look at the heater box and the insert that fills in the SB heater core holes. That piece is not reproduced correctly and the real things are rarer then hens teeth.

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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2008, 06:08:50 PM »

Hey, what's that "thingy" mounted on the front of the radiator support?

Looks like on of those under the hood hood locks.     Huh

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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2008, 06:21:34 PM »

My trim tag is real, and I have the same red "PRIMER" inside my Hugger Orange car.
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2008, 06:38:38 PM »

I compared the trim tag on my 69 Camaro with 12K original miles and found the fonts, stamp depth, rivets and offsets to be the same.  I have purchased several items from this seller over the last 13 years and have never been disappointed.  I personally believe this car and tag to be legitimate.

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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2008, 10:34:53 PM »

Really hard to call with the paint on it, but it generally looks reasonable. Would need a good pic to tell for sure.
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2008, 01:27:49 AM »

I went to check this car out after seeing on ebay. The tag is untouched. More sooooo I was shocked when I got a good look at the car...I know this car very well ! I wasnt sure when I first took a look at.....but after a while I figured it out. I ran my BBC Nova against it many times. The owner was an idiot we could not believe he ran a real L-78 car almost every weekend at fountain ave(back then any thing went, but still a real L-78...no love)! He was a real nut....he had full slicks at the time and drove it daily with them. He would lay it out any time...did not give a @#$@. I dont know the seller and never purchased anything from him so will let that be known. I offered him what I wanted to pay, but the car had passed what I could pay...go take a look at it if you want and can afford an L-78 its an L-78.
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2008, 11:42:11 AM »

Hello everyone, i personally own the car in question and welcome anyone to pictures of certain areas and a full personal inspection of my real x22 l78. email malibu@optonline.net or call (631)789-4622 john. anyone that sees the car in person and knows what they are looking at will confirm its the real deal. thank you
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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2008, 12:16:58 PM »

Thanks for clearing that up...
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James
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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2008, 02:28:03 PM »

There is ABSOLUTLEY no way to make a fake tag appear aged and weathered like this one.
Then you haven't seen some of the repro Camaro tags out there.......
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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2008, 03:04:07 PM »

was the car a RS at one time ? the wiper motor was the clue
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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2008, 03:22:04 PM »

I am blind... where is the wiper motor? The rear valence doesn't have any back up light holes...

It does have the wrong rear spoiler... it is a 10A 69 car with an early spoiler!
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James
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Check out the Black 69 RS/Z28 45k mile Survivor and the Lemans Blue 69 Z 10D frame off...
https://picasaweb.google.com/112392262205377424364/1969_Z28_Restoration
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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2008, 04:46:46 PM »

seen many gm tags over the years ,no DOUBT THIS IS REAL and looks like it has great potenial.
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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2008, 05:28:06 PM »

I find it interesting that there sure are a lot of "newbies" with only one or two posts under their belts defending this tag!!!

Hmmmm....

Ed
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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2008, 05:42:59 PM »

I find it interesting that there sure are a lot of "newbies" with only one or two posts under their belts defending this tag!!!

Hmmmm....

Ed


My thoughts exactly...
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James
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Check out the Black 69 RS/Z28 45k mile Survivor and the Lemans Blue 69 Z 10D frame off...
https://picasaweb.google.com/112392262205377424364/1969_Z28_Restoration
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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2008, 05:49:42 PM »

Its also interesting that a newbie started this fiasco...i had to become a newbie member to defend my car which anyone would do in my shoes. the man that also started this post was never interested in the car anyway as his first email to me was :Too bad the tag is fake,looks like it was a cool car at one time...(very amusing), i told him tag definatly is real and he came here with this b/s. I still welcome personal inspections and guarentee car is what i say it is.
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2008, 08:53:16 PM »

sold 15k
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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2008, 09:46:59 AM »

Clint maybe a Newbie here but he is well known as a collector and researcher of HP 69's...
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James
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Check out the Black 69 RS/Z28 45k mile Survivor and the Lemans Blue 69 Z 10D frame off...
https://picasaweb.google.com/112392262205377424364/1969_Z28_Restoration
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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2008, 02:06:34 PM »

I locked this thread and cleaned up the end of it.  Past the point of usefulness - if you all want to go toe to toe, do it somewhere else.

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