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L78 steve

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69 Z Question
« on: December 06, 2007, 09:45:52 PM »
Should a 69Z, X33,Dover white,Black stripes have blacked out rocker panels?
69 Z/28 Dover White X33,ZL2,PS,M20,Std.int.04C
67 SS/RS Mt. Green 1W,2LGSR,3SL,4K,5BY,07C
70 Nova L78 Blk. Cherry,Sandalwood,M21,02B

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Re: 69 Z Question
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2007, 10:04:09 PM »
Should a 69Z, X33,Dover white,Black stripes have blacked out rocker panels?

Yes.

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Re: 69 Z Question
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2007, 02:48:23 AM »
Thank you,Paul.
69 Z/28 Dover White X33,ZL2,PS,M20,Std.int.04C
67 SS/RS Mt. Green 1W,2LGSR,3SL,4K,5BY,07C
70 Nova L78 Blk. Cherry,Sandalwood,M21,02B

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Re: 69 Z Question
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2008, 06:51:10 AM »
I have a 69 Z28 Dover white with black stripes.  It has obviousley been repainted but the rocker panels were not painted black.  Is there a code or something that specifies it should be painted black?  This must be somthing I've overlooked in trying do research on my car.

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Re: 69 Z Question
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2008, 05:20:01 PM »
From the CRG files: ;)

http://www.camaros.org/exterior.shtml#BlackoutPaint

Q: Is it true that black-out paint was applied by the factory, and if so, for what models?

A: Certain first-generation Camaro models had semi-gloss black-out paint applied to the body to influence the appearance. There were two types, a "ground-effect" black-out applied to the rocker-panel/body-sill area for certain exterior trim options, and a blacked-out tailpan applied to SS-396 cars.

Body sill black-out paint was applied to Z22 cars in 1967 and 1968, and to Z21, Z22, and COPO 9560/9561 cars in 1969. But there were several body colors that were simply just too dark for this paint scheme to be effective, and for these colors (more below) the body sill black-out paint was omitted. Additionally, the body sill black-out was omitted for special models like the 1969 Z11 Indy Pace Car convertible trim package and the 1969 Z10 coupe trim package. A Chevrolet Product Bulletin dated 2-4-69 describes the Z11 (Pace Car trim package) package and includes this instruction: "Body sill to be painted white instead of black." Although no instructions have been found for the Z10 coupe, it would be natural for this same philosophy to have been followed.

There was also a paint color exception for the SS-396 tailpan black-out, but as far as we can tell, it was limited to black vehicles; in other words, only black (and special models like Z11 and Z10) SS-396 cars did not receive the (semi-gloss) blacked-out tailpans.

The CRG will continue to follow this topic and provide more detail with better substantiation as the information becomes available.

The 1967 and 1969 body sill paint codes that did not receive black-out paint (supported by GM documentation - except see note on 1969 #10 Tuxedo Black) are:


    1967/1969 Body Sill Color Exceptions

    1967
    ----
    AA Tuxedo Black
    EE Deepwater (Dark) Blue
    LL Tahoe Turquoise
    MM Royal Plum
    NN Madeira Maroon
   
    1969
    ----
    10 Tuxedo Black*
    51 Dusk (Dark) Blue
    57 Fathom (Dark) Green
    61 Burnished (Dark) Brown
    67 Burgundy (Maroon)

    --------
    * We have not found GM documentation
      for the 1969 Tuxedo Black body sill
      exception.  However we believe it
      followed the pattern of previous years,
      and the few original 1969 cars we
      have found appear to bear this out.
 

1967 SS/RS convertible - LA 12A built

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Re: 69 Z Question
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2008, 08:44:31 PM »
I really appreciate this forum.  I learn something new everytime, and then sometimes it adds to the confusion.  Therefore, at this time there is no evidence to support that a Dover white 69 Z28 should have blacked out rocker panels????

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Re: 69 Z Question
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2008, 03:51:53 AM »
I really appreciate this forum.  I learn something new everytime, and then sometimes it adds to the confusion.  Therefore, at this time there is no evidence to support that a Dover white 69 Z28 should have blacked out rocker panels????

Your question was answered above. Cars with Z21 or Z22 option would have the body sills blacked out. Your Z28 is coded X33 therefore it would definitely have the Z21 (style Trim) and if it is a rallysport would also have Z22. So your car would have blacked out sills.
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Re: 69 Z Question
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2008, 05:04:17 AM »
Your question was answered above. Cars with Z21 or Z22 option would have the body sills blacked out. Your Z28 is coded X33 therefore it would definitely have the Z21 (style Trim) and if it is a rallysport would also have Z22. So your car would have blacked out sills.
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Excess my ignorance.  I have a 69 Los Angeles Z28 Dover White (50 50) and did not realize that the Z21 or Z22 trim package was included.  That is why I was unclear on the CRG explanation.   

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Re: 69 Z Question
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2008, 03:53:47 PM »
Excess my ignorance.  I have a 69 Los Angeles Z28 Dover White (50 50) and did not realize that the Z21 or Z22 trim package was included.  That is why I was unclear on the CRG explanation.   

Your Los Angeles Z would only have the rocker blackout if it was originally built with Z21 Style Trim or Z22 Rally Sport; if it had neither (like a Norwood X77 car), it would not have had the rocker blackout.
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Re: 69 Z Question
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2008, 05:04:37 PM »
And it probably had Z21 Style Trim or Z22 Rally Sport if it has the quarter gills and the roof gutter moulding (though someone could have added it too).
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Re: 69 Z Question
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2008, 06:18:17 PM »
Thanks Kurt & John,

You guys cleared it up.  My car is not an RS and it does not have the chrome moldings on the wheel well or the chrome louvers on the side, it only has the rocker moldings.  Therefore, my car DID NOT come with the rocker panels blacked out.