red hockey stripe on 69 and hounds tooth

[black69]

are there any known exceptions to the red hockey stripe rule for 69?, the factory documents say a black car is to get a white stripe if v top added.

I think maroon and silver cars have a similar rule..if a v top is added, the stripe color changes according to that table. An original triple black camaro survivor would dispell some questions I have as far as stripe color. Even a convertible.

and are there any ideas on how often houndstooth showed up on camaros? (non pacecars)

[tom]

As I recall, Red stripe was only only in 69, only on burgandy not Z28 cars. However non standard stripes could be special ordered.

Tom

[lakeholme]

As for interiors, Chevy didn't keep those kind of detailed records.
Look here for total option numbers:
http://www.camaros.org/pdf/options-rpo23feb00.pdf

And welcome! 

[KurtS]

I'm not totally clear on your question.
You looked at http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#ExteriorColors?
Specifically footnote #4?

[black69]

as far as footnote #4, I am fairly certain that refers to my car (the single data point), I brought it to chevy vette fest under a yr ago, and I sent pictures into this website on this topic close to a yr ago. It recently came out of a barn from being stored since 74. Triple black SS/RS, fresh air hood, D80 spoilers, 713 houndstooth interior, 375hp, M21, rubber bumper, 410. It has the silver grill unique to black cars just like this website says. The red stripe is the head scratcher when I read the old GM documentation (I bought) on stripe application rules, just like what is posted on this website. It would be neat if it truely was an exception or was custom ordered by the dealer. That's all I am trying to determine.

To help me, I would focus on the footnote 5, i.e. were there any silver and white cars with red stripe + red interior found that have a vinyl top. If that happened (especially on higher volume white cars, then it would point to the addition of vinyl tops made no difference to an application of a red stripe). It is odd they had a 4/69 stripe application rule change on burgandy cars and then not correct the rest of the documentation at that time. My car was built in early June 69 after that modification note for burgandy cars, one would have thought they would have corrected everything.

There are no other triple black ss camaros out there? That would help a lot. I would hope the car is an exception to the rule.

By the way, black SS cars do not have different black out paint added to the tail, its the same paint as the rest of the car. At chevy vette fest, there were so many guys looking at that over and over again....makes sense to me...but they wanted to confirm it.

And another thing, many wanted to measure the SS badge location differences on each side of the front fenders, that was of major interest (actually its different on each side, in vertical dimension). I would have thought that measurement was in the restoration books...maybe it varied over the production run...

Thanks..Bob..
(great website!)....

[KurtS]

Hi Bob! Now I know who you are.   Welcome!

I know of no silver, black, or white cars that have original paint and should have a red stripe, so no way to test your theory.

The fenders were pierced on the Chevrolet side, should be the same on all cars.

[Ron C.]

Kurt, I was at carlisle in 2001 and supercar workshop had a dover white 69 with a red hockey stripe and red interior. the car was a low mileage 13k car. I think Kenny Pasco had the car.

[tom]

If I am reading the chart right, a burgundy, white or silver SS coupe without vinyl top, with a red interior would have the red hockey stick stripe.  DX1 stripe if ordered for non SS versions of the same color combos would also be red.

Tom

[KurtS]

Ron,
That car was a 50-50 color.

The question is:  Was the rule of not a red stripe when the car had a vinyl top alway valid? Bob's car is an exception to that rule. Was the rule incorrectly written and v.top cars got red stripes too?

Bob is looking to see what a car like this one would have looked like new:  50-B  719, painted now with a black stripe.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160175405710

[black69]

I think that white ebay car would have proved the theory I had if it had a red stripe. But my guess is that the black stripe on that car now is correct, being a nice survivor that was restored, why would they have changed a red stripe to black. You usually copy what was there.

I did check to make sure I had no dashes (special paint = stripe delete or color change) on the cowl tag. None were there, just 10 B 713 X22D80.

I now think my car is an exception. I think with a green vinyl roof being a choice on a black car (I hope S means green in that table), GM would have been smart enough to avoid risking a red stripe combination with that, so I beleive in the current published table (i.e. use a white stripe) as correct. But I am a new guy to this.

[KurtS]

I think that white ebay car would have proved the theory I had if it had a red stripe. But my guess is that the black stripe on that car now is correct, being a nice survivor that was restored, why would they have changed a red stripe to black. You usually copy what was there.

That car is not a survivor. It originally was a L65 car that has been made into an SS350.

I'm not convinced your car is an exception, but with only one datapoint, it's hard to make any conclusions.
One thing is for sure, it's a minor paint 'rule' that wouldn't affect many cars.

Black with a green roof - I missed that combo. Thankfully, I've never seen one like that....

[Jerry@CHP]

The white SS396 Camaro at the Camaro Nationals a couple of years back was a restored car, not an original car.

Jerry

[Ron C.]

Jerry is correct, GM allways had different stripe colors depending on the roof color,the 67 ss in red got a white bumblebee stripe but with the black top it recieved a black stripe so I would think that would apply also to a 69 model dont you think.

[KurtS]

Ron,
All the color relationships are documented in the exterior color decode section, including the exceptions.
Just one of these exceptions (#4) is being rightfully questioned.

[black69]

I had a guy come up to me at chevy vettfest when I showed that black car for the first time, and he ordered new one similar to it, a non v top black car and it had the red stripe, just like the order sheets specify. My car puzzled him because he did not remember being able to get the red stripe with a top. His car was an automatic 396/375HP. Ordering the car new, he still was sharp on what was what back then.

So the light bulb went off, if the order sheets clearly specify a stripe color when you are ordering, and it came in different than the chart you looked at, then how do you handle an ordered car that comes in different than advertized? I don't think that would fly?

I could see it working out ok on dealer ordered cars (they would still sell anything that came in, in that case I would have no issue on a stripe color being different than expected).

[black69]

I had the car on display at chevy vettefest and had the stripe authenticated as factory original (a guy from 'stencil and stripes' looked at it and it has the hardly ever seen 1" tics in the paint running along it which match the original stencils). That was cool, I never noticed it until he pointed it out to me, that's how he tells if its original fast. So the red stripe is original as applied by GM.

I had one guy that has a real 375hp 4 spd convertible in triple black (the holy grail in my opinion) show me his car was originally a white stripe on a bunch of pictures when it was original. He said in his travels of being seriously into these cars for 30yrs, he has never seen a triple black w/ red stripe (heard about one, but never saw one). His car followed the factory docs. He had a documented car. I thought if a triple black coupe was to have had a red stripe instead of white, why not a convertible? he has a white stripe...

[KurtS]

Because the rules for vinyl top cars were different from convertibles. Go figure......

Can you post a pic of the stipe ticks? I'm not quite following....

[black69]

Kurt, I will after turkey day. 

In the mean time, picture this. On the back of the original stencil, there is a break every inch in the sticky material. So picture a vertical line every inch on the back of the stencil that has no sticky material at all. So I guess what happens is the paint wicks (or drips down) into that void, leaving these pin head size marks along the horizontal edge of the stripe, running the full length of the stripe. The pin head size drips repeat on the money, every inch. Find one, you know where to look for the next.

I don't know if they did that serating of the sticky material to help get it to pull off better, I don't know. I believe new stencils don't have that discontinuity in the sticky material so you can't or won't get these marks anymore.

bob

[black69]

finally took a few pictures tonight, the marks show up as liitle dots all along the edge of the stripe from the stencil. These marks are all over the stripe, but in this pic they show up on the bottom edge of the bottom stripe, very hard to photograph:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3010288&a=32237566&p=76094359&f=0

[lgslone]

does anyone know if a code 71 69 ss came with a black hockey stripe or were all white stripes

[KurtS]

White if there is no vinyl top. See http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#ExteriorColors

[lgslone]

thanks kurts  i was hoping for black but thats ok