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« on: November 04, 2007, 03:34:03 PM »

are there any known exceptions to the red hockey stripe rule for 69?, the factory documents say a black car is to get a white stripe if v top added.

I think maroon and silver cars have a similar rule..if a v top is added, the stripe color changes according to that table. An original triple black camaro survivor would dispell some questions I have as far as stripe color. Even a convertible.

and are there any ideas on how often houndstooth showed up on camaros? (non pacecars)

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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2007, 07:32:29 AM »

As I recall, Red stripe was only only in 69, only on burgandy not Z28 cars. However non standard stripes could be special ordered.

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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2007, 08:50:18 AM »

As for interiors, Chevy didn't keep those kind of detailed records.
Look here for total option numbers:
http://www.camaros.org/pdf/options-rpo23feb00.pdf

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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2007, 10:22:18 AM »

I'm not totally clear on your question.
You looked at http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#ExteriorColors?
Specifically footnote #4?
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2007, 11:41:32 AM »

as far as footnote #4, I am fairly certain that refers to my car (the single data point), I brought it to chevy vette fest under a yr ago, and I sent pictures into this website on this topic close to a yr ago. It recently came out of a barn from being stored since 74. Triple black SS/RS, fresh air hood, D80 spoilers, 713 houndstooth interior, 375hp, M21, rubber bumper, 410. It has the silver grill unique to black cars just like this website says. The red stripe is the head scratcher when I read the old GM documentation (I bought) on stripe application rules, just like what is posted on this website. It would be neat if it truely was an exception or was custom ordered by the dealer. That's all I am trying to determine.

To help me, I would focus on the footnote 5, i.e. were there any silver and white cars with red stripe + red interior found that have a vinyl top. If that happened (especially on higher volume white cars, then it would point to the addition of vinyl tops made no difference to an application of a red stripe). It is odd they had a 4/69 stripe application rule change on burgandy cars and then not correct the rest of the documentation at that time. My car was built in early June 69 after that modification note for burgandy cars, one would have thought they would have corrected everything.

There are no other triple black ss camaros out there? That would help a lot. I would hope the car is an exception to the rule.

By the way, black SS cars do not have different black out paint added to the tail, its the same paint as the rest of the car. At chevy vette fest, there were so many guys looking at that over and over again....makes sense to me...but they wanted to confirm it.

And another thing, many wanted to measure the SS badge location differences on each side of the front fenders, that was of major interest (actually its different on each side, in vertical dimension). I would have thought that measurement was in the restoration books...maybe it varied over the production run...

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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2007, 12:37:04 AM »

Hi Bob! Now I know who you are. Smiley  Welcome!

I know of no silver, black, or white cars that have original paint and should have a red stripe, so no way to test your theory. Sad

The fenders were pierced on the Chevrolet side, should be the same on all cars.
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2007, 08:02:56 AM »

Kurt, I was at carlisle in 2001 and supercar workshop had a dover white 69 with a red hockey stripe and red interior. the car was a low mileage 13k car. I think Kenny Pasco had the car.
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2007, 09:43:29 AM »

If I am reading the chart right, a burgundy, white or silver SS coupe without vinyl top, with a red interior would have the red hockey stick stripe.  DX1 stripe if ordered for non SS versions of the same color combos would also be red.

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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2007, 08:24:42 PM »

Ron,
That car was a 50-50 color.

The question is:  Was the rule of not a red stripe when the car had a vinyl top alway valid? Bob's car is an exception to that rule. Was the rule incorrectly written and v.top cars got red stripes too?

Bob is looking to see what a car like this one would have looked like new:  50-B  719, painted now with a black stripe.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160175405710

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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2007, 12:32:12 AM »

I think that white ebay car would have proved the theory I had if it had a red stripe. But my guess is that the black stripe on that car now is correct, being a nice survivor that was restored, why would they have changed a red stripe to black. You usually copy what was there.

I did check to make sure I had no dashes (special paint = stripe delete or color change) on the cowl tag. None were there, just 10 B 713 X22D80.

I now think my car is an exception. I think with a green vinyl roof being a choice on a black car (I hope S means green in that table), GM would have been smart enough to avoid risking a red stripe combination with that, so I beleive in the current published table (i.e. use a white stripe) as correct. But I am a new guy to this.
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2007, 10:01:11 AM »

I think that white ebay car would have proved the theory I had if it had a red stripe. But my guess is that the black stripe on that car now is correct, being a nice survivor that was restored, why would they have changed a red stripe to black. You usually copy what was there.

That car is not a survivor. It originally was a L65 car that has been made into an SS350.

I'm not convinced your car is an exception, but with only one datapoint, it's hard to make any conclusions.
One thing is for sure, it's a minor paint 'rule' that wouldn't affect many cars.

Black with a green roof - I missed that combo. Thankfully, I've never seen one like that....
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2007, 10:57:09 AM »

The white SS396 Camaro at the Camaro Nationals a couple of years back was a restored car, not an original car.

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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2007, 04:30:22 PM »

Jerry is correct, GM allways had different stripe colors depending on the roof color,the 67 ss in red got a white bumblebee stripe but with the black top it recieved a black stripe so I would think that would apply also to a 69 model dont you think.
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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2007, 11:51:00 PM »

Ron,
All the color relationships are documented in the exterior color decode section, including the exceptions.
Just one of these exceptions (#4) is being rightfully questioned.
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2007, 12:28:03 AM »

I had a guy come up to me at chevy vettfest when I showed that black car for the first time, and he ordered new one similar to it, a non v top black car and it had the red stripe, just like the order sheets specify. My car puzzled him because he did not remember being able to get the red stripe with a top. His car was an automatic 396/375HP. Ordering the car new, he still was sharp on what was what back then.

So the light bulb went off, if the order sheets clearly specify a stripe color when you are ordering, and it came in different than the chart you looked at, then how do you handle an ordered car that comes in different than advertized? I don't think that would fly?

I could see it working out ok on dealer ordered cars (they would still sell anything that came in, in that case I would have no issue on a stripe color being different than expected).
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