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« on: September 26, 2007, 09:09:42 PM »

My trim tag reads:
ST   69     12437   NBR109166     BDY
TR      713                  65   65    PNT
       0A

The first thing anyone will say is that I am not reading it correctly, NBR is really NOR, but it does read NBR.  I sent Jerry MacNeish a picture and he said to send the information to the Camaro Research Group so they could put in there database.  Does anybody out there have a similiar tag?  Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2007, 09:27:33 PM »

There are other cars with this miss stamp of NBR that have shown up over the years. Must have lost the "O" for a day or two.
This is a known anomoly

Decode for body number: 109166
 
10A = Built the First week of October.
69-12437 = Coupe.
NBR = Built in Norwood Ohio.
713 = Custom Houndstooth Black Bucket Seats.
65-65 = Car Color is Olympic Gold
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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2007, 10:09:40 PM »

I've seen a few of these over the years. It was only for part of that one week.

Can you send me the VIN and a picture of the tag?

Thanks!
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2007, 09:05:24 PM »

Thanks Jonesy and KurtS for the fast response.  The Vin tag is 124379N505520.  Does this and the trim tag correlate to each other.  Thanks.
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2007, 11:53:58 PM »

Yes, the tag and VIN match. Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2007, 06:33:51 PM »

I had a 69 vert...327 auto...believe it may have been a 3 spd auto... did they make them??? i liked it because they didnt make too many 327's I dont think...daytona yellow...it had an interior fire .  i sold it to a bodyman from philly i think...not that all that matters...but it had a NBR tag also...and  an  0A build date...but I think the 0 in the date should be 10A ......it seems that the 1 is just cut off by the rivet hole...actually John Hooper stopped by my place years ago and took some pics of the cowl tag to that car...unforetunately I never took a pic of it. that stuff didnt really matter to me too much back then. I sold the car many moons ago...but I'll never forget that cowl tag...

  so yes...its factory...
i'm not the only one...its nice to finally have confirmation that I'm not crazy!!!
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2007, 09:28:54 AM »

Thanks Iluv69s.  Thats exactly how I feel now...not crazy.  Thanks for your input and your luv for camaros. 
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2012, 10:40:29 AM »

Heres another one on ebay built 2 cars before this one. VIN 124679N505518

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Convertible-/261137953814?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3ccd08f416
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2012, 11:40:22 AM »

I have one built later that same week and it has the normative practice "NOR".  The "O" may have been lost earlier that week or the stamp may have been loaded wrong just for that one day?  Just throwing it out there as a possibillity.

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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2012, 10:27:04 PM »

What is someone buying with that last NBR convertible..  other than the trim tag??  Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2012, 01:55:13 AM »

That's nasty.
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2012, 03:13:45 AM »

Notice the "RED"written on the firewall. Looks original paint - most of that will buff out / away....
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2012, 10:13:44 AM »

Vin's 505518 and 505520 builds appear to be closer to 09A than 10A? By 10A Vin's appear closer to the 514000 range. Body no.'s also correlate better to 09A.  0A Tag translates better to 09A than 10A?
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2012, 10:40:43 AM »

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Vin's 505518 and 505520 builds appear to be closer to 09A than 10A? By 10A Vin's appear closer to the 514000 range. Body no.'s also correlate better to 09A.  0A Tag translates better to 09A than 10A?

Jimmy, per the 1969 BODY NUMBERING page:

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Factory documentation indicates that the 1969 system used the central office order confirmation number as the body number and the analysis of vehicle data and documentation confirms this. This is the same number sent to the dealer as the order confirmation, used on body broadcast sheets in the IDENT number field, and that appears on the Window Sticker/Shipper. These numbers were unique for both Norwood (NOR) and Van Nuys (LOS or VN) in 1969 since they were assigned to the plants from a common pool of numbers (for example, 295460 was built at NOR (see the 69 tag picture) and 295461 may have been built at VN).
Orders were not built sequentially, but were scheduled by the assembly plant dependent on build component availability. Orders could be held for several weeks until the required components were available, e.g. 295460 may have been held for a several weeks due to a supply issue, where as 295461 may have been added to the build schedule right away. This makes the 1969 body numbers vary relative to the VIN numbers.

Due to the extended 1969 model year, the body numbers were reset in August 1969 to 100000 at Norwood (Van Nuys has ceased Camaro production by that point).

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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2012, 03:27:51 PM »

Ed, I understand the body numbers can vary widely. But how can a car with a 10A Tag have a VIN corresponding to VIN's from the 09A time frame? VIN 505520 is only the 5,520th Camaro thru the wall from Fisher to Chevrolet? By the end of Sep looks like 13,00 units or so were built or in production. It looks to me like the VIN precedes the Trim Tag?? Which I know it cannot.

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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2012, 04:02:06 PM »

Jimmy, I'll let Kurt answer this one, but the OP didn't say it was 10A. Jonesy did!!

 Grin

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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2012, 04:50:29 PM »

Thanks.

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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2012, 06:41:52 PM »

Ed, I understand the body numbers can vary widely. But how can a car with a 10A Tag have a VIN corresponding to VIN's from the 09A time frame? VIN 505520 is only the 5,520th Camaro thru the wall from Fisher to Chevrolet? By the end of Sep looks like 13,00 units or so were built or in production. It looks to me like the VIN precedes the Trim Tag?? Which I know it cannot.

Jimmy V.

The body number has nothing to do with when a car was scheduled/built. It was generated when Central Office confirmed [not received] a dealer order. VINs were sequentially assigned.

The date on the tag reflects the release of the order at Fisher Body. Body production usually, but not always, began shortly thereafter.

The best example of this are ZL1s #1 & #2. Orders 222002 & 222003 were confirmed on or about December 6, 1968. "Normal" production scheduling would have planned them for the first or second week January 1969, too late to prep for the AHRA season opener in PHX. N569358 & N569359 were expedited and final assembled December 30, 1968. 222001/N609238 was final assembled on or about Thursday March 6, 1969.

There are too many factors involved to speculate about production priority.

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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2012, 06:44:20 AM »

All the NBR tags are in the 09A week not the 10A week, there are roughly 1500 of them between 5048XX (maybe slightly lower) and 5062XX from tag images I have.
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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2012, 12:52:26 PM »

I think the data is a typo too. It's missing the 9.
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« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2013, 11:38:50 AM »

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All the NBR tags are in the 09A week

Has there been any '5OR' NOR tags?
I have one for a 69 Firebird but is a 9D date.

They found the 'O' but lost the 'N'

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« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2013, 01:21:14 PM »

Welcome John!

Yes, there are 5OR tags, built in late 69 production.

Some tag errors appear on 100's of cars, some on only one.
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« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2013, 01:42:04 PM »

 I assume there were more than one addressographs running at any time to account for some with and some without mistamps?

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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2013, 06:30:14 PM »

The basic info on the tags were pre printed before they arrived at the plants.  Things preprinted were items like the NOR PNT, BDY the big disclaimer on the bottom of the 69 tags, so if someone in the supply chain made a mistake, like printing NBR on the tag it carried thru all the tags in that order.  Maybe the order was for 1000 tags, 5000, or 10000 at a time, (roughly 1, 5 or 10 days production).  The tags themselves got fed into the addressographs at the assembly and all the car specific info got added to the tags.  If no one at the plant noticed the typos, they continued until the next batch of tags were received and put into the addressographs.
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