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68 door mirror
« on: July 18, 2007, 04:25:13 PM »
Was there only one design for the 68 Camaro door mirror without remote?

The mirror on my 68 Camaro does not look like the mirrors in the catalogs.  It sounds like the mirror gets loose and is replaced.  I read that the 68 Firebird had 2 mirror designs, but is sounds like the 1st design was the 67 round mirror.

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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2007, 12:34:27 AM »
The "outside rear view mirror" listed in the 68 AIM as "3914753 mirror asm." (Take a look on page 46, UPC 1, C2.) is still listed in the 72 P&A, described as "68-69 Camaro, 3914753 L.H., outside rear view (rectangular)"; so I'd say one design, rectangular.

My original 68 mirror is that rectangular design, but maybe others can document a different one...

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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2007, 08:25:42 PM »
68 and 69 manuals are all the same.  Rectangular.

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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2007, 07:30:26 PM »
I tried to attach a picture of the mirror, but I receive an error that the "uploaded is full"

The mirror is rectagular but I think it is aftermarket. 

A picture is worth a thousand words; however, attaching a picture cannot be done in this forum.

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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2007, 08:13:40 PM »
Should look like THIS ONE

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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2007, 01:08:45 AM »
You probably just need to reduce the size (# of pixels) of the picture.

But take a look at this thread --tells you how to do third party host =use bigger pictures:

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=1643.0

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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2007, 02:39:14 AM »
All '68s I've ever seen had the rectangular mirrors--only the '67s had round ones. There was a remote control driver's door mirror that had a fatter body, but it was canceled. Hope this helps.
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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2007, 04:13:21 AM »
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There was a remote control driver's door mirror that had a fatter body, but it was canceled.

Not quite true. Although the D33 Option for 1968 shows being cancelled on 6-21-67 in the AIM, there are several documented cars with this option installed. It "may" be that the option wasn't available early in the 1968 model year, but was reinstated at some point. The first documented car I have is a very early March, 1968 Norwood car shipped to GM of Canada. (Kurt of Daniel may have an earlier car so let's see if either chime in.)

If you compare the number of cars with D33 installed for 1968 -vs- 1967 and 1969, you'll see that there are about half as many:

1967 - 8,630
1968 - 4,740
1969 - 7,771

Although not positive proof, this would indicate that the option wasn't available for at least part of the 1968 model year.

If anyone out there with an earlier car with documented proof that the D33 option was installed on their car, please let us know.

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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2007, 07:02:14 AM »
The first documented 68 with N33 is 11E. And then thruout the rest of the year.
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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2007, 02:27:08 PM »
Well then, there you go. A case where the AIM is wrong!

Thanks Kurt.

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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2007, 12:01:01 AM »
Remember that the date of the revision on the A.I.M. sheet is essentially unrelated to when a change actually took place on the line; it only indicates when the drafting room (Engineerng Graphics) received notification of a pending change, and they revised the sheet. The actual implementation date for changes is only found in the NPC (Notice of Production Change) system, and those haven't been published outside of GM; those dates have to be estimated based on observation of known-original cars.
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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2007, 12:06:55 AM »
John in this case it appears the option was never actually discontinued. Is that possible? Could someone in upper management decide not to discontinue the mirror after all?

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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2007, 03:18:16 PM »
Things could be discontinued and reinstated at will, for any number of reasons; the A.I.M. will only show the installation of the standard outside mirror, as the D33 Remote Mirror was installed by Fisher Body.

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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2007, 10:08:22 PM »
Thanks John. I'm confused though. Since the D33 mirror was installed by Fisher, why is it included in the AIM?

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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2007, 08:41:55 PM »
Ed, I'm not familiar with the 68's - only have the '69 A.I.M. The D33 mirror was Fisher-installed in '69, as the control was mounted on the door trim panel and had to be installed before the trim panel. It's not in the '69 A.I.M. (only shows in the option index, as Fisher-installed).

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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2007, 09:13:30 PM »
John,

Interesting. I wonder if the 69 installation was changed from Chevrolet to Fisher because of the work involved. From the drawing, it appears that the only thing Fisher installed in 68 was the "Retainer" for the Escutchion. The rest (I'm assuming) was installed by Chevrolet. I'd like to know if the D33 option shows up in the 67 AIM. This might tell us if a change was made in "who" was responsible in installing this option. If it does show up in the 67 AIM, I would bet the responsibility went from the Chevrolet line to Fisher because of the time and work involved.

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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2007, 09:44:36 PM »
Here you go Ed.

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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2007, 10:40:13 PM »
Thanks Steve. So what do you think about my theory John?

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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2007, 04:38:54 PM »
Ed, it appears that the key difference is that the control is mounted in the exposed painted steel upper portion of the door inner panel, above the door trim panel in '67-'68, so it could be installed by Chevrolet without removing the Fisher-installed door trim panel. In '69, the door trim panel covered the entire door inner panel, all the way up to the glass opening, so the attachment of the control and bezel to the door trim panel had to be done before the door trim panel was final-installed in the Fisher Body Trim Shop.

The issue of "content" (who installed what) between Chevrolet and Fisher was a constant "war" between the accountants on both sides; Chevrolet HATED giving one of their parts to Fisher to install, as Fisher marked-up the cost of the part, added outrageous labor charges, and billed it back to Chevrolet as part of the "body cost".

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Re: 68 door mirror
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2007, 06:00:17 PM »
Thanks John. Good info.

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