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Re: 1969 Z Drivetrain
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2007, 02:31:16 AM »
Something about that whole thing is not right.
The VIN stamp on the engine block, and the VIN stamp on the transmission -- don't match in font style.

I like the trans stamp - the engine block... not so much.   ???

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Re: 1969 Z Drivetrain
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2007, 07:36:48 PM »
This forum is a little more mellow and tech oriented than Team Camaro. I am at both places and would prefer not to see the argueing going on over here. The botom line is no one here or at TC can make anyone do something they do not want to do. Yelling and calling names is unproductive and accomplishes nothing.
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Re: 1969 Z Drivetrain
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2007, 08:40:33 PM »
Yes it did get a bit out of hand over there and I am not Mr. Innocent on it. I did get sucked into the argument. But the best we can do, and it's been done, is to record all the info and watch for those numbers in the future. I don't agree with what is being sold as a package because alot of people have real cars they worked hard for and on, and this is the kind of sale that lets a not so authenic car possibly slip through in the future.

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Re: 1969 Z Drivetrain
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2007, 08:45:39 PM »
So what do you guys think of the VIN stamps?
or - am I the only one?

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Re: 1969 Z Drivetrain
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2007, 12:58:58 AM »
So what do you guys think of the VIN stamps?
or - am I the only one?

Jeff, man you are mellowing out.  ;D     The DZ looks good, the tranny VIN looks odd and the engine VIN looks fine. My engine VIN stamp has one of the numbers that is hardly readable like this one. What do you see?
« Last Edit: July 11, 2007, 01:01:25 AM by GaryL »
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Re: 1969 Z Drivetrain
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2007, 01:56:38 AM »
I see 2 different style of VIN stamps where...there should be 2 stamps done at the same time, with the same gang stamp. 
Actually -- I like the trans - don't like the oil boss stamp

Not mellow - just too busy these days with my "real" job. we are going into the busy season.

I am mixed on what should be done with that Z/28 stuff - I feel it should be restored/built using a brand new repro body...
a magazine should document the whole thing - A shame to let it be absorbed into other cars as pieces.
However I believe there should be a brand new VIN number issued.

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Re: 1969 Z Drivetrain
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2007, 03:27:00 AM »
I kind of agree with you. I undestand both sides of the issue. It is can be a very fine line between a "original" and "rebody" in the sense one body at the factory was the same as the next. An original good body can have all the parts added to make it a Z. I tend to be a purist, but what a shame that the drive train and tags can't be replanted. If all the parts down to the wiper arms were moved from one car to the other, is one really more of a Z/28 than the other? KInd of like pedigrees for dogs. Two can look almost identical, but only the one with papers is the purebred. ???
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Re: 1969 Z Drivetrain
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2007, 05:34:08 AM »
True, and if it is spayed or neutered it really doesn't matter.  It's still a dog.

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Re: 1969 Z Drivetrain
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2007, 05:54:45 AM »
I don't have any issue with the stampings.  Why do they look different?  I don't know for sure.  Maybe because one is being stamped on a flat cast iron surface and the other on a contoured aluminum surface?  Ive seen similar discrepancies on original drivetrains before.

As far as the items that are being sold, I don't think it would be much of an issue if the tags were not included and/or had been destroyed.
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Re: 1969 Z Drivetrain
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2007, 09:33:46 AM »
Maybe I am blind then, do those look like the same fonts to you?
Not even close. ::)


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Re: 1969 Z Drivetrain
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2007, 11:53:49 AM »
No. I did not realize they were supposed to be done with the same stamp. That would make sense to make sure they both had the same number. Interesting.
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Re: 1969 Z Drivetrain
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2007, 12:17:04 PM »
 ...I wasn't even about to jump into that thread over at TC. Putting all the issues aside, ...it's childish at best (pathetic actually) when a bunch of guys (probably most in their 30's-50's) start name calling, etc., etc. It's so sad it's almost funny, ...but still a non-productive waste of time.
  ANYWAY, ...I didn't realize the stamps were from the same 'gang' either. If that is the case, ...the "9's" sure do look different...

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Re: 1969 Z Drivetrain
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2007, 02:07:00 PM »
When the car came down the line...
the guy with the stamp took his big hammer, and "applied" both VIN's at the same time.
they should be identical - they are not in this case.   :-\

That engine block is a real DZ 302, however that VIN has been stamped at a later date. IMO

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Re: 1969 Z Drivetrain
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2007, 05:09:20 PM »
Too bad the discussion took a different route. I saw you were bringing this up as a topic. Let's see if Mark, Kurt or John can comment.
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Re: 1969 Z Drivetrain
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2007, 05:50:53 PM »
Took 20 years, but the guy finally found a correct dated block for his tags and transmission.
I bet the engine was destroyed in the collision too.
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Re: 1969 Z Drivetrain
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2007, 01:14:02 AM »
I agree with you on this one, Jeff.  Those two don't even look similar.
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Re: 1969 Z Drivetrain
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2007, 02:04:19 AM »
Too bad he was probably lying all the way. I know if I had a wrecked Z/28 I would put it back together somehow.
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Re: 1969 Z Drivetrain
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2007, 04:37:43 AM »
ebay listing is now gone, not ended early.  Maybe there was an issue with selling a VIN tag and title to a non-existent car?
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