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« on: May 27, 2007, 06:53:39 PM »

Ok, here is my delima.  I know 68 rally wheels should be DF stamped. I have been lucky that almost all of the original parts were still intact on my Z28 . My wheels have an FW stamp (chevelle or monte), but the date code is wrong! The stamps on my wheels are as follows   K18 4 28 FW. Which is correct for my 05c   Z28.  Any thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2007, 07:27:16 PM »

My guess is that someone changed the DF (15x6) wheels to FW (15x7) wheels so they could install wider tires.  I've never seen (or heard of) an original '68 Z/28 coming from the factory with anything besides DF rally wheels.  All five of rally wheels on my '68 Z/28 are stamped DF.   Smiley

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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2007, 07:32:42 PM »

I cant find a listing for a fw stamp for 1968 either.
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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2007, 07:35:59 PM »

There are five different versions of the DF wheels, and all 1968 Z28s got the DF rims.  I have a detailed break down about all of the different DF wheels in my new 4th edition Z28 Camaro fact book.  www.z28camaro.com.

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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2007, 07:42:14 PM »

Jerry -

Is the 4th edition out now?  Your website still has the 3rd edition listed.

Paul
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2007, 07:54:41 PM »

Any thoughts on the FW stamped wheel? I spoke to a friend, who was a gm mech and parts manager. He claims these wheels were gm replacements for 68. I have no clue!
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2007, 07:57:37 PM »

Jerry, thanks . I have your book and guess i should read it!!
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2007, 08:00:28 PM »

Yes, the 4th just came out last week.  The FWs were mostly used on Monte Carlos, same offset as the YH and a lot cheaper.  There are thousands of these for sale at swap meets.  Very common.  Most of the 69 Zs that I inspect today have these wheels.  They are incorrect for any Z28.

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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2007, 08:07:21 PM »

Any thoughts on the FW stamped wheel? I spoke to a friend, who was a gm mech and parts manager. He claims these wheels were gm replacements for 68. I have no clue!

I doubt it was a replacement for the DF wheel.  Not only is the FW wheel 1" wider, but the wheel offset is different (+.30 for the FW wheel vs +.50 for the DF wheel).  This is something GM wouldn't have done.

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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2007, 08:17:30 PM »

Yes, the 4th just came out last week.

Jerry

Great!  Is there A CRG discount?   Grin

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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2007, 08:21:48 PM »

The "8" in the FW is likely for 1978, not 1968.
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2007, 08:36:36 PM »

the date had me baffled. I can only find rallys with that stamp from 71-75. that was it.
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2007, 08:42:02 PM »

Check this post out, camaros.net   
 
The "FW" is a 'JJ' rim profile 15X7" rim with a .30"* offset.
GM #3997899 (Group 5.803) with applications from 1969 ~ 1975.
Listed as a service replacement for part #3970531 wheel for 1969 Camaros w/Disc Brakes Front and Rear (RPO-JL8) and w/ 302 option (RPO-Z28).
Listed as a standard or replacement wheel for 1970~75 Monte Carlo and 1974~75 Chevelle (exc. wagon).
Welded construction, 4 cap projections and Tubeless rated.

Code you gave may be missing a number or two - but, looks like a Kelsey Hayes Rally from the Romulus, MI plant manufactured in ? (1975?) on Huh

*Some conflict in GM documents about this - measure the 'backspace' and see if it isn't slightly more than 4 1/2".

Hope some of this helps;
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2007, 09:53:20 PM »

My printing costs went up $3 a book but I'm still keeping the old price, $22 delivered to your door in the US.

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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2007, 11:14:28 PM »

Jerry -

Is the new '69 Camaro fact book out now too?

Paul
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« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2007, 02:19:15 AM »

Those wheels were produced beyond 75. It's a 1978 wheel.
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« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2007, 07:25:21 AM »

The 1969 Camaro book won't be out until later this summer.

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« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2007, 06:35:14 PM »

i just purchaced a set of 15x6 rally wheels for my 68z, i know they are not original but will the work.  they are coded DC.
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« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2007, 12:11:15 AM »

i just purchaced a set of 15x6 rally wheels for my 68z, i know they are not original but will the work.  they are coded DC.

Jason -

The DC wheels will fit on your car.  The big difference between the DC and DF wheels is the wheel offset: DC = +.06, DF = +.50   Roll Eyes

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« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2007, 12:35:41 AM »

The 1969 Camaro book won't be out until later this summer.

Jerry

Jerry -

Please let me know when the new '69 book comes out and I'll get them both.  Thanks.

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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2007, 12:58:50 AM »

Jason -

What's the build date on your car?  I have a friend who has a complete set of DF rally wheels all with the same date.  All four wheels are stamped K18  7  16  DF .  The problem is he knows they're rare and wants big bucks for them.  He also has a complete set of XG rally wheels (stamped K18  5  8  XG and a complete set of DG rally wheels (no date stamp) if anybody is looking.

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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2007, 10:03:33 AM »

fourth week of april 1968,  let me know what he wants for his wheels if they are correct, i am interested. 
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« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2007, 10:49:16 AM »

Paul,

How much does he want for the XG's? Does he have 4 or 5? I might be interested if I don't have to give up my first born!

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« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2007, 11:40:21 AM »

Jason -

What's the build date on your car?  I have a friend who has a complete set of DF rally wheels all with the same date.  All four wheels are stamped K18  7  16  DF .  The problem is he knows they're rare and wants big bucks for them.  He also has a complete set of XG rally wheels (stamped K18  5  8  XG and a complete set of DG rally wheels (no date stamp) if anybody is looking.

Paul

The later 68 DF's dont bring as much money as their earlier counterparts, especially the 67 or real early 68 wheels with the inverted DF only by the valve stem hole.  I think that there is a big misconception out there that any DF wheel is worth Big bucks.
If the dates are July 16 68, they may not have even went on a production 68 z/28 and may be a service replacement wheel. That would lower the value, IMO
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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2007, 01:28:22 AM »

fourth week of april 1968,  let me know what he wants for his wheels if they are correct, i am interested. 

Jason -

Looks like these wheels are too late (July '68) for your car (April '68).   Sad
Don't give up looking.   Smiley

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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2007, 01:34:15 AM »

Paul,

How much does he want for the XG's? Does he have 4 or 5? I might be interested if I don't have to give up my first born!

Ed

Ed -

I'll call him tomorrow (it's too late now) and find out.  Get ready to Ebay your first born!   Grin

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« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2007, 02:15:35 AM »

If the dates are July 16 68, they may not have even went on a production 68 z/28 and may be a service replacement wheel. That would lower the value, IMO

Jonesy -

These wheels (and the other sets I mentioned) are all off production cars.  This guy is super meticulous (never married, no kids, same job for 30 years, spends his lunch hour at the auto salvage yard next door, etc...).  Anyway, he has every part labeled with:

The date he pulled the part.
The make, model, and production date of vehicle he pulled it from.
Price he paid.
Anything else he feels is relevant.
 

The service replacement wheels were available after '68 Z/28 production was complete and therefore are date stamped accordingly.  Like this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=018&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=280119160995&rd=1&rd=1

There are other differences between the production and service replacement wheels all covered in detail in Jerry's '67/68 fact book.

Paul

 

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« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2007, 11:03:09 PM »

July 16 wheels would be very late and possible on production I guess. They still dont have the value of the earlier wheels from what I have seen.
Month and day dated DF wheels in 68 are worth about $250 ea and 69 service replacement about $150. The 67 and early 68 wheels are the hardest to find with just the inverted DF stamping. These are the big buck wheels that go for $600 and up each.
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« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2007, 02:27:14 AM »

Month and day dated DF wheels in 68 are worth about $250 ea.

Even a complete set with the exact same date?  That should be worth something extra.   Wink

The 67 and early 68 wheels are the hardest to find with just the inverted DF stamping. These are the big buck wheels that go for $600 and up each.


Good to know.  I have five of these wheels on my 02C '68 Z/28.   Smiley

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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2007, 02:33:09 AM »

Ed -

I hope you're not in a rush for those XG wheels.  I called him today and his answering machine said he would be in Belize until mid-July (must be nice).  I'll try again then.

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« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2007, 08:23:55 AM »

just wondering what my DC wheels were originally installed on?
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« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2007, 09:10:49 AM »

Paul,

Thanks. No, I'm not in any kind of hurry...

Ed
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« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2007, 09:39:00 AM »

just wondering what my DC wheels were originally installed on?

"DC" wheels (15x6 rallys, +.06" offset) were originally used on 1967 Corvettes and on '67-'70 station wagons with disc brakes.
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