1969 Camaro Z28 with options

[Hotroths]

Hi CRG Members.

I am new here. My Name is Andy and i am restoring a original 1969 Camaro Z28 matching numbers Car. So the thing is that we do not have any documents from the car. We bought the car in a box. We checked everything to see what we have. So i found the power windows, fold down rear seat, endura bumper, do not know if that was factory stock or not??? Thanks

[67L48]

The endura bumper was option code VE3 and 12,650 cars were equipped with that option (more if it was pulled by another option package/number).  So, it could have been stock on a 1969 Camaro.  Whether it was on yours is a different question.  I'd be interested to know what "bought the car in a box" means and, if it's literal, how you could be so sure of the Z28 lineage without any documents.  Note, that's not a charge against you and I'm not lodging doubts at you ... I am interested in learning more about your car, it's provenance, and your investigation.

[BillOhio]

Didnt the endura bumper have 2 different brackets than the chrome one?  Might be a clue if it came with one

[x66 714]

Didnt the endura bumper have 2 different brackets than the chrome one?  Might be a clue if it came with one

All 4 are different......Joe

[Hotroths]

Well, The last owner took the whole car apart 30 years ago and put everything in boxes and stored the car in a container. That means we bought the car in Boxes or we bought a body with parts:-)
There is the 386 Engine block with the 3.000 stroke crank, pistons, valves Partial vin stamped on it that matches all vin numbers on the body. There is the Muncie m21 stamped with the partial vin. including the hurst comp. shifter with the chrom knob. 186 heads with 2.02/1.60 valves, Intake manifold with the correct GM number on it, Distributor with correct GM number, Alternator with the correct Number on it. Waterpump and so on. There is the tilt steering column with the wood steering wheel, The original houndstooth seat covers never been restored. Please let me know what you need to figure out if it is a real Z28 Car and how it came from the factory. i think alot of people out there mean they have a real Z car so i understand that it sounds to good to be true!! I think you guys know more about the Z28 than i do.

Thanks

[bertfam]

Yes, you're correct. A lot of fake cars out there so it's always best to verify before purchasing.

To validate what you have, post a good picture of the VIN, the trim tag, the engine pad stamp, the transmission stamp and the rear axle stamp. Also, post pictures of the distributor stamp, the alternator stamp, etc... Basically, anything with a stamping!!

And welcome to the forum!

Ed

[Hotroths]

Here are the first pics.

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More pics

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Engine block

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Transmission

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Alternator

[maroman]

Good luck with putting it back together. I think this going to a WOW when it's done.

[bertfam]

Looks good. The only issue so far is the alternator. That's a 1969 Cadillac application. No big deal unless you're going for "show" or being judged. The correct 1100837 alternators are HUGE money!!

Post more pictures! I want to see how naked the carcass is!!

(And post a picture of the axle code too)

Ed

[KurtS]

Please let me know what you need to figure out if it is a real Z28 Car and how it came from the factory.

You contacted me back in August and I already confirmed it is a Z28.

From yesterday's PM:
>The only thing i know is that the first registration was in 1969 in Switzerland. But i guess Z28 were build in the U.S. Would be great if you can help us to find some history from this Z28. Like factory RPO`s, build sheet, protecto plates.

It was exported by an individual, probably someone in the military. It was not exported by GM.
Docs, see http://www.camaros.org/geninfo.shtml#MyCarHistory

[Hotroths]

I know i asked you in August @KurtS. I try to figure out how the car came from the factory and maybe how rare or how many with this options were build.

[Hotroths]

Radiator, Distributor, Body after sandblasting, Hurst shifter.

[67L48]

Thanks for the all the pics.  It was a lot of work to post all that info and I appreciate the opportunity to learn from your sharing.  Good luck with the restoration.

[bertfam]

Boy, you sure have your work cut out for you. Are you doing the restoration or did you hire someone?

Ed

[KurtS]

I know i asked you in August @KurtS. I try to figure out how the car came from the factory and maybe how rare or how many with this options were build.

http://www.camaros.org/options.shtml

[Hotroths]

Thanks @KurtS

Ed, i do the mechanic work. Engine, trans, suspension and get parts. The owner of the car has a body shop so he is doing the body work. We did a 1968 Olds 442 together. Nut and bolt restoration. I own a 1966 Impala 2dr coupe. I lived in Denver, CO 14 years ago and since then i am a big fan of U.S Cars. Of course id`like to have a 1969 Camaro or a 1966 Chevelle but these cars are to high in price for me. So i am happy with my 1966 Impala bought from the original owner in Mesa,AZ in very good original condition.

So enough of dreaming, let`s get back to the Z28

[Stingr69]

Sweet project. 

Does it have the stainless steel "Disk Brake" trim on the brake pedal?  Mine did not have it (should have) and it is only 330 cars away from yours. 

[Hotroths]

Stingr69, Yes it has the stainless trim and logo on the brake pedal. What you mean 330 Cars away from mine??

[jdv69z]

910 VIN's from mine, 516355, and same date on the Muncie

[hubleyman]

My 69Z that I sold about 6 years ago had a VIN only 30 cars away from yours: N515415

It was in the group of VIN's that NCRS did not have docs for, so I wasn't able to verify the original Dealer delivery info.

It had a CE warranty 302 engine in it, but since had its original factory installed matching number M22 trans I basically knew it was a real Z/28.

Might have been sitting right next to yours going down the assembly line...

[Hotroths]

@hubleyman so where are the missing docs if crg does not have it? Very nice to get infos like that. Do you miss the Car??

[Hotroths]

Here is the rear Axle fresh from sandblasting.

[Stingr69]

Stingr69, Yes it has the stainless trim and logo on the brake pedal. What you mean 330 Cars away from mine??

I also have a 10A build week.  330 VIN's away from yours.  It did not have the stainless trim on the brake pedal when I got the car in '79 but the power brake booster and master cylinder are original to the vehicle.  I have not added the trim but maybe I should.

[David K]

I can relate to this completely. I’ve also bought a Camaro in a box. 67 convertible, 4 wheels and a steering wheel to move it. No seats, nothing forward of the firewall sheet metal, wiring harnesses, top was gone but the frame was there, or anything else mounted. The rest was in boxes, crates and laying on the floor or stuck in the trunk, or inside the garage. The owner had big plans that never happened. $1500 and I took it away on the trailer with the pickup bed full.
I shared a hobby shop with my fellow camaro club friends and worked on it every day after work and some long weekends. 80 or so man hours later I was driving it, then had a friend paint it Tahoe Turquoise (thanks to seeing Jerry McNeish’s Z). It was a driver, not a show car. I just cleaned everything/rust prevented it/rattle canned it, assembled it. I eventually put a 5 speed from a Pontiac TA and a hydraulic clutch in it, and I enjoyed it till I sold it.